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Date: June 25th, 2008 1:24 PM Author: Awkward Tattoo Subject: I am hearing mixed things.... On one end I am hearing that it's alumni base is pretty extensive. On the other end I hear that getting a job after DC is pretty hard if you leave the NE/NY area. Also, I hear its even harder for people in the grad school to find jobs.
Is this true or not? |
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Date: June 25th, 2008 1:58 PM Author: Cracking walnut regret liquid oxygen I'm just going on a hunch here and take it for what you may... but the alumni network is pretty extensive in the NE/NY area which makes it easy to get jobs there but hard to move outside...
In summary, the information may not be contradictory |
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Date: June 25th, 2008 2:09 PM Author: green main people Dart sucks. Its for fags. Step up above cornell though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=829053&forum_id=1#9919739) |
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Date: June 25th, 2008 2:24 PM Author: Cracking walnut regret liquid oxygen eh... Dart has some good things going for it... plenty of woods to hide your meth lab in just in case you need the extra boost when the financial aid doesn't pan out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=829053&forum_id=1#9919765) |
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Date: June 25th, 2008 2:41 PM Author: Awkward Tattoo "but the alumni network is pretty extensive in the NE/NY area which makes it easy to get jobs there but hard to move outside...."
I hear that out West its practically unknown. But I am willing to compromise and attend if the alumni network is extensive in NYC. But just how extensive? If its pretty easy then I wouldn't mind. Although, have any Dartmouth alumns penetrated other fields besides finance/Consulting? have any actually gone into Public Policy, Development, or Government work?
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Date: June 25th, 2008 2:45 PM Author: pale motley mad cow disease filthpig what are you comparing it to? or what are you comparing it for? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=829053&forum_id=1#9919817) |
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Date: June 25th, 2008 2:57 PM Author: Awkward Tattoo Subject: Comparing it to? I guess the usual HYSP. But even then I hear the Dartmouth alumni network is just as extensive and helpful as the schools I listed.
So far whats enticing about Dartmouth is the chance to be a part of the Neslon Rockefeller Center and all of the other activities at Darmouth that I hear are pretty inclusive. That and the alumni network, which I hear is very close knit.
Besides the alumni network, how is the career services at DC? |
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Date: June 25th, 2008 3:09 PM Author: 180 genital piercing Well, Tuck is a top-15 (or top-10, according to some lists) business school, and I doubt that its graduates are having trouble finding work. Other than that and the medical school, however--with the exception of comparative lit--Dartmouth's PhD-granting graduate programs are in the sciences and are comparatively weak. Dartmouth PhD grads tend to do poorly in the R1 market, but they are sought after by LACs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=829053&forum_id=1#9919882) |
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Date: June 25th, 2008 3:17 PM Author: green main people Top 15 MBA school is pretty bad IMO. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=829053&forum_id=1#9919912) |
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Date: June 25th, 2008 3:26 PM Author: 180 genital piercing I don't think so. I'm no expert, but I would imagine that a Tuck graduate could write his/her ticket at least to consulting middle management (or its equivalent) or the lesser-middle players of the i-banking world. I could be wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=829053&forum_id=1#9919937) |
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Date: June 25th, 2008 3:31 PM Author: green main people You're probably right but just as Law is T14 and Ugrad is T25, eliteness at MBA should begin at T10. I guess T15 would be great for the average person but it is okay/average for my tastes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=829053&forum_id=1#9919952) |
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Date: June 25th, 2008 6:06 PM Author: impressive pisswyrm 1) Tuck was ranked number 1 by the wall-street journal many years consecutively.
2) Yes, some dartmouth graduates go into public policy. I know of several that now attend premiere public policy graduate schools. |
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Date: June 25th, 2008 9:32 PM Author: green main people Wall St Journal also ranked Tepper 3rd or 2nd or something like that, which consequently is another T15 MBA school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=829053&forum_id=1#9920721) |
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Date: June 25th, 2008 6:22 PM Author: irradiated quadroon stain This columbia kid has a serious chip on his shoulder.
As someone who has experienced Dartmouth's alumni network (and I'm only a sophomore at DC), I'll tell you that I have absolutely no concerns about finding a high paying job after college. The alumni network is among the best in the country, mainly because the alumni are so enthusiastic about the school (second highest giving % in the league).
Tuck is one of the finest business schools in the country, consistently ranked in the top ten by credible publications. If Columbia guy knew how to use a computer, maybe he would care to find that out. Don't take advice from this guy, he is only out to insult rather than help. |
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Date: June 25th, 2008 6:26 PM Author: Awkward Tattoo Subject: thats great sferret... but are they willing to help out grad students? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=829053&forum_id=1#9920337) |
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Date: June 25th, 2008 6:26 PM Author: irradiated quadroon stain Well that's fine, but Tuck is in the top 10. Or is that bad too?
Putz. |
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Date: June 25th, 2008 7:18 PM Author: Awkward Tattoo Subject: ok? I wasn't downplaying Tuck. I know its a brilliant school.
I was asking if the alumni network is as helpful to non-Tuck Grad students as they are to undergrads. |
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Date: June 25th, 2008 9:21 PM Author: Translucent senate nowag I don't think that sferret's last post was in response to yours. If you look at the indentation how the post is oriented, it's in response to Columbiaguy's last comment about how Top15 isn't prestigious, only Top10.
I'll be a DC freshman this summer and from what I've read and heard from other alum, if you went to Dartmouth then you're part of the family, regardless of whether it was the college or the grad school. |
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Date: June 25th, 2008 9:34 PM Author: green main people I'm speaking from xoxo standards.
Law schools below T14 are also great for the normal person. I'm sorry I didn't know we reverted back to being a regular message board for the purpose of this thread. If we did, fine, Dart is a good school and the average construction worker will suck your balls in amazement.
Happy?
Goddamn liberals... |
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Date: June 25th, 2008 11:27 PM Author: irradiated quadroon stain I'm not going to lie, I didn't understand anything you just said. A regular message board? As opposed to what, a group of self-proclaimed elitists who waste time by discussing the trivial differences among great things?
Dartmouth is an amazing school by any standard, as are all of the Ivies. Period.
Barack the vote. |
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Date: June 26th, 2008 1:05 AM Author: green main people I'll elaborate:
Dart is great for its Ugrad focus but it sucks in comparison to other top schools with respect to job networking. It also has a shitty student body. I also didn't like the campus when I visited. The average person will be amazed at any T25 school so with that out of the way, if you can get into Dart I suggest another school if you care about job networking, even non-wharton Upenn.
I think of Dart as an Ivy LAC which is great if you want to go to grad school or med/law. |
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Date: June 26th, 2008 10:08 AM Author: irradiated quadroon stain Look, I've experienced the job networking aspect of Dartmouth and you are wrong, absolutely dead wrong. Until you've gone to the school and experienced what you claim to know, you are no authority, so stop diluting everybody's opinions with your unsubstantiated nonsense.
Oh, and shitty student body? How the hell would you know? Are you even thinking about your posts, or do you simply throw as much muck as you can to hide your blatent insecurities? I would guess the later. |
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Date: June 26th, 2008 6:52 PM Author: green main people Please, dart couldn't pay me enough to go. They did try pretty hard though.
BTW it is spelled "blatant" not "blatent". Though I guess that's what a dart education gets you. |
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Date: June 25th, 2008 11:30 PM Author: irradiated quadroon stain Based on what I've heard and experienced, woody is right on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=829053&forum_id=1#9920990) |
Date: June 26th, 2008 2:25 AM Author: Bistre provocative pistol ok, dart ugrad is a great school. point taken. but why on earth would you subject yourself to that horrible weather and surroundings for four years when you can be at any other ivy (cornell not included)? and, just by conjecture, id imagine dart's alumni network is pretty decent considering how anyone who chose dartmouth must have some crazy affection for the school, and by extension, the students.
and as for the business school, id put wharton, harvard, stanford, mit, chicago, columbia, stern, haas, and kellogg above tuck. |
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Date: June 26th, 2008 4:40 AM Author: Charismatic Effete Temple credited (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=829053&forum_id=1#9921368) |
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Date: June 26th, 2008 10:05 AM Author: irradiated quadroon stain I'm not going to spend time defending that which needs absolutely no defense. If you know so little about schools that all that separates them is the weather, that's your problem, but some people (16,500 this year, for example) like the school because it is one of the best. Period.
Oh, and we'r enot debating your personal ranking of business schools. We are debating professional publications' ranking of business schools, which are the ones that matter and are at least somewhat credible. |
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Date: June 26th, 2008 10:11 AM Author: 180 genital piercing This is tangential to the subject, but you mentioned at the top of the thread that grad students at D are considered just as much a part of the "family" as undergrads. Is this really the case? When I was doing my master's, it was pretty clear to everyone at our institution that graduate students/alums were not held in equal regard to undergraduate students and alumni (for obvious reasons, I guess, but still...). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=829053&forum_id=1#9921626) |
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Date: June 26th, 2008 10:21 AM Author: irradiated quadroon stain It depends on what "family" you are talking about. Everyone at D has access to the numerous resources there, regardless of what school you are in, and everyone likewise has access to the fantastic alumni network. Does that answer your question?
If you need an example, I am only a rising sophomore and so far I have come into contact with dozens of alumni who have offered to meet with me in Washington and have lunch to talk about life and careers. Based on what I have heard and experienced, I wouldn't have gotten this type of attention from professional alumni at most other elites. The alumni are this responsive to everyone associated with the school, this I know. |
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Date: June 26th, 2008 10:35 AM Author: 180 genital piercing That does answer the question. We did have access to every physical and faculty resource as master's students (not at Dartmouth, obviously, which doesn't really have master's programs). The alumni network, however, didn't seem quite as strong coming out of a graduate program as it did for undergraduate alums. This isn't by design, though.
Nonetheless, I'm not so sure that the kind of attention/bond between alumni and students that you describe is as rare as you imagine. The situation was similar at my undergraduate institution, though I can't necessarily speak for other schools. |
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Date: June 26th, 2008 11:02 AM Author: pale motley mad cow disease filthpig "I wouldn't have gotten this type of attention from professional alumni at most other elites."
whoops, just as you stated about, dont comment on things you have no experience with. "Until you've gone to the school and experienced what you claim to know, you are no authority, so stop diluting everybody's opinions with your unsubstantiated nonsense." |
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Date: June 26th, 2008 12:05 PM Author: irradiated quadroon stain You may want to include my whole quote in there. I started out with "Based on what I have heard and experienced", but, considering you, I would count on you cutting corners. I actually have experienced alumni networks of several other elites through direct contact with alumni and students, and I prefer Dartmouth's.
Nice try.
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Date: June 26th, 2008 12:52 PM Author: pale motley mad cow disease filthpig really? you've experienced, say, the Yale alumni network as a yale student? Fascinating!
edit: my point, moreso, is that alumni networks are made up of people, so people's experiences are at a very individual level. All the elites have great alumni/networking opportunities, with smaller ones possibly being more gung ho to help someone who crosses their path and larger ones being spread out into more fields/sectors/specific offices.
Ive actually never seen a more impressive alumni networking group in action than Swat - but i dont know if a cornell student should trade their advantage in size and breadth. both have pluses and minuses |
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Date: June 26th, 2008 1:10 PM Author: irradiated quadroon stain Isn't it amazing? I'm magical.
I never said I experienced the other networks as a student. |
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Date: June 26th, 2008 1:14 PM Author: irradiated quadroon stain I understand your point, and I agree. I never claimed that I was a student at every elite school, rather that I have spoken to students and alumni at many elite schools and gotten their take on alumni networks. Unless what they say is drastically different than reality, I think my perspective is valid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=829053&forum_id=1#9922055) |
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Date: June 26th, 2008 6:55 PM Author: green main people It's not. The only valid thing in this thread is your pathetic bias for darTTTmouth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=829053&forum_id=1#9923208) |
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Date: June 26th, 2008 8:01 PM Author: Topaz galvanic ape whoever said dartmouth is for fags has a point. it is kind of a gay school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=829053&forum_id=1#9923342) |
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Date: June 26th, 2008 8:40 PM Author: green main people Thank you, it is the xavier of colleges. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=829053&forum_id=1#9923421) |
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Date: June 26th, 2008 8:54 PM Author: Awkward Tattoo Subject: anyways... Sferret,
Is Dartmouth's alumni extensive enough in the world of TV, Film and journalism? |
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Date: June 26th, 2008 9:12 PM Author: pale motley mad cow disease filthpig those are notoriously hard fields to break into. darts a great school, but if you're hoping to use networks to make that happen, i wouldnt go to grad school in new hampshire... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=829053&forum_id=1#9923484) |
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Date: June 26th, 2008 9:22 PM Author: Awkward Tattoo Subject: well then if Dartmouth won't do the trick... then I might as well take that offer at Columbia. I just wanted DC because I've heard all of these great things about the alumni network, how there is no red tape or barriers to making your mark or joining organizations. Plus it would've been a lot cheaper.
But if these claims are unfounded and the school will do bupkis for me in the TV, Film and Journalism world, then I do not think I want to deal with the freezing temperatures. |
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Date: June 26th, 2008 9:24 PM Author: Awkward Tattoo Subject: HStudent... what school and their alumni networks would be most helpful? And I am not talking about being in an Oliver Stone film, anchoring Dateline or being a managing editor for the Times. I am just talking about getting my foot through the door.
UCLA, NYU, Columbia, USC, Stanford? |
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Date: June 26th, 2008 9:56 PM Author: pale motley mad cow disease filthpig life is crazy random...anyone from anywhere might catch some break that lands their foot in the door. so of course you dont have to have gone anywhere in particular...
but from the few friends i know in the 'industry' - yea, those are the more standard schools. and some of the specialty schools like emerson. also northwestern, etc.
its up to you how much that should affect your decisions, but if you really want to get into that world, i think it makes sense to put in the bigger media markets where the work happens. but i really know very little about the field, might make sense to pose these questions to closer folks.....
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Date: June 26th, 2008 9:53 PM Author: irradiated quadroon stain Columbiaguy, you and detective can go hook up in a closet. kingfish seems like he actually wants to have a conversation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=829053&forum_id=1#9923592) |
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Date: June 26th, 2008 10:34 PM Author: green main people Seems like you two should be the ones in the closet. Dart's the only school that has more guys coming out than going in.
Enjoy your gay-networkless school though. |
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Date: June 26th, 2008 11:31 PM Author: irradiated quadroon stain I'll let you know when I talk to all of those alumni I meet along the way who will help me get a lucrative salary right out of school. Oh, by the way, do you have any proof to back up your talk about Dartmouth, or are you just sore about being rejected? |
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Date: June 26th, 2008 11:38 PM Author: green main people Your insecurities are pretty pathetic. Haven't seen this since the early days of xoxo. I guess besides failing at spelling and grammar, dart kids also fail at reading comp. Didn't you read the part where they begged me with money to go and I instead matriculated at Columbia?
Study abroad.. rofl... you really are sad |
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Date: June 26th, 2008 11:44 PM Author: irradiated quadroon stain firstly, if Columbia produced a kid like you, I wouldn't suggest going near there.
Again, you rely solely on rhetoric, and don't say anything.
You really are one of the angriest, most hard hearted kids I have seen on this board. Instead of having conversation, you validate yourself by downplaying all other schools, as if that will ever make you feel better...I'm sorry. |
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Date: June 27th, 2008 1:15 AM Author: Blue aromatic hunting ground theater sorry kid, you're in for a rude awakening if you think a 6 month jaunt in the middle east is going to make you fluent in arabic. especially when it's a language with quite a few widely-used dialects that aren't that mutually understood. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=829053&forum_id=1#9924263) |
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Date: June 27th, 2008 8:30 AM Author: irradiated quadroon stain That really wasn't the point of the thread, but thanks for the advice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=829053&forum_id=1#9924814) |
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Date: June 26th, 2008 11:37 PM Author: irradiated quadroon stain Subject: Kingfish This is my final word on this topic. I don't much care to hang around here with insecure dolts like Columbiaguy insulting everyone they find threatening. In terms of alumni network, and this is the god's honest truth, Dartmouth's is incredible, and, unlike Columbiaguy, I know that because I've experienced it. If you're talking about ugrad, there is no better. They will accommodate and help you when you leave college, and you will feel secure when you're done knowing you have hundreds of options ahead of you. |
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Date: June 27th, 2008 8:49 AM Author: 180 genital piercing O.k., I don't want to insult you, but this post is proof positive that you are talking about something you're not really qualified to talk about.
Go to Columbia undergrad because they have a good journalism graduate program? What?? Columbia's alumni network is "tight knit" in the sense that alumni are more loyal to their specific programs (ie., the College, SEAS, Journalism, etc.) than to the university.
If you are set on journalism, go to Northwestern, UNC-CH, or even U. of Missouri undergrad--NOT Columbia--because Columbia doesn't have an undergraduate journalism program. The "alumni network" of Columbia's master's program in journalism is a very poor reason to attend as an undergrad.
As for this: "but if you're open as an ugrad, I wouldn't go anywhere but D."
Really? So you'd turn down Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, and MIT for Dartmouth? I sure wouldn't have, and I didn't get into any of those schools. |
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Date: June 27th, 2008 9:39 AM Author: irradiated quadroon stain I was under the impression that Columbia had a great journalism graduate program, and that ugrads were able to take some classes with that program. Is this not the case? Like I said, I'm not expert on Columbia, but that is what I heard.
The fact that you would turn down D for other schools means nothing to me, you should not assume that others share your preferences for colleges.
I'm sorry if my misinformation annoyed you, that was not my intent. |
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Date: June 27th, 2008 9:50 AM Author: 180 genital piercing Like at any university, some undergrads can take some graduate courses, depending on major and year. To my knowledge, there is no set program by which undergrads can specifically take journalism courses. It's exclusively a graduate program at Columbia and would be, at best, of only the most minimal advantage to a very few undergrads.
I'm not annoyed, but you are giving personal opinions and framing them as concrete facts--as if anybody in their right mind would turn down any other school for Dartmouth, when in reality, this is the case only for a comparatively small group of people. Likewise, you uphold Dartmouth's alumni network as THE best alumni network in the world, bar none, and the only one worth belonging to. It makes you seem as though you have a chip on your shoulder about where you ended up.
I think that people are getting annoyed with your posts, because you come off as somebody who is trying to speak for everyone, when in reality, your experience and perspective are extremely limited. That's not to say that you aren't a good poster.
Personally, I can't speak for others, because I didn't have every option open to me for undergrad. I got into some decent schools--schools that are, admittedly, a notch below even Dartmouth. I chose from among them and was extremely happy with my experience. I went to a better school for my master's and a big state factory for my PhD, so I've got a fairly broad perspective, but I don't claim to know about things that are beyond my experience. |
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Date: June 27th, 2008 9:55 AM Author: irradiated quadroon stain Well I honestly didn't mean to frame Dartmouth in any "holier than thou" way. I erased the bit of the post, I was pretty annoyed when I wrote it because of Columbiaguy, and I certainly exaggerated.
I'm not trying to frame anything untrue as fact, but rather am trying to discredit some of the rhetoric posted here, rhetoric with the sole purpose of downplaying other people and their schools. Kingfish seems like he actually wanted to discuss something, and trolls coming on here simply dumbs the conversation. Sorry if I came across as insecure. |
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Date: June 27th, 2008 9:57 AM Author: 180 genital piercing Don't worry. And I think Columbiaguy is flame. I edited my last post to clarify some things, at any rate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=829053&forum_id=1#9924946) |
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Date: June 27th, 2008 12:24 AM Author: crimson flirting station well it's been a while since i've graduated so i've been a part of this alumni network
the network goes far and deep in big markets. even in the fields that are tough to break into, if you can make the right connections, people will bend over backwards to give you everything they can give you, and then some more. and and though certainly they pale in comparison to NY/DC, big markets would include SF/LA.
small markets and overseas, of course there just aren't that many. small student body = smaller alumni network, and because of the way dartmouth just is, they are significantly concentrated in the Boston/NY/DC area. because they're sweet enough to get the jobs they want where they want it, which happens mostly to be in these areas. but in anycase, these people in the random places, they're dart grads all the same. you wear your dart tshirt around, someone will come up to you and be like "YOu went to dartmouth! i went to dartmouth! what frat were you in? which dorms did you live in? (because of course back in their days dorms had an identity)" and subsequently want to make plans for dinner and drinks soon. i am currently overseas, and a while ago, i posed as a joke on my xanga "maybe i need a new job" and by end of that day, i had three people call me (there are maybe like eight alums in this city, total) about jobs. mind you, i was a creative writing major, too.
but fo course, if you're talking about grad school, it just ain't the same. i'm sure the grad alumni network is "tight" as well, but it's just not big enough to give you the kind of resources that you seem to be looking for. and dart grad programs are generally weak anyways, no?
and trust me. by the time you get out of D, you become addicted to the snow. one of the things i miss most about D is the cold, the snow, the isolation, the beauty, the quiet of Hanover. I chose D over columbia, and from all the accounts I have heard from columbia people, i have not regretted my decision once. |
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Date: June 27th, 2008 1:09 AM Author: Awkward Tattoo "but fo course, if you're talking about grad school, it just ain't the same. i'm sure the grad alumni network is "tight" as well, but it's just not big enough to give you the kind of resources that you seem to be looking for. and dart grad programs are generally weak anyways, no? "
Is it just undergrads helping undergrads? I mean what difference does it make if they were undergrads or grads, wouldn't they all be a part of the Dartmouth alumni network? |
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Date: June 27th, 2008 10:16 AM Author: pale motley mad cow disease filthpig **dang post didnt go through
shorter version: yes you will be in 'the network' so to speak - but i dont think you'll benefit a hell of a lot off Dart UG graduates. this is because you dont have the shared experience of being in hanover from 18-22, drunk, optimistic, directionless, excited, etc. You came in older, with direction, to study one thing, for a reason, etc. You may use the same buildings but they dont meant the same thing. Less nostalgia connection, less likely some random person will go out of their way to help you.
i think this is far less true for professional schools, where other grads of that prof school will help you out (and networking is part of the deal). Arts and sciences grad school? not so much. |
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Date: June 27th, 2008 10:30 AM Author: 180 genital piercing good summary. i'd say this is an accurate description of the grad student networking experience. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=829053&forum_id=1#9925041) |
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Date: June 27th, 2008 10:53 AM Author: irradiated quadroon stain Well said, Hstudent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=829053&forum_id=1#9925085) |
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Date: June 27th, 2008 8:51 AM Author: 180 genital piercing Sounds like a cult. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=829053&forum_id=1#9924832) |
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Date: June 27th, 2008 10:00 AM Author: irradiated quadroon stain It is a bit cult-like (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=829053&forum_id=1#9924960) |
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Date: June 27th, 2008 10:01 AM Author: 180 genital piercing I think all schools are, to an extent. once you've heard that scary KU "rock, chalk, jahawk" chant, you come to this conclusion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=829053&forum_id=1#9924963) |
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Date: June 27th, 2008 10:02 AM Author: irradiated quadroon stain especially this one
http://www.cultsprimary.aberdeen.sch.uk/ |
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Date: June 27th, 2008 10:04 AM Author: 180 genital piercing hot damn they start growing 'em young there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=829053&forum_id=1#9924978) |