DETROIT — Ford Motor expects to record about $19.5 billion in special items related to a restructuring of its business priorities and a pullback in its all-electric vehicle investments, the company announced Monday.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2)#49513401)

the us auto industry would be far better off without any protectionism. it's the victim, the not beneficiary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2)#49513419)

We protect them way too much in some ways and protect them enough in others. Korea and Japan dont really cheat like China does but we protect American firms from Korea/Japan.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2)#49513749)

you are legit retarded if you think in 30 years we will be selling gas cars

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2)#49513755)

(or maybe you are fucking idiot who wants the government to waste other people's money on dumb things)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2)#49520000)

I am sure Chiptole is another FINE EXAMPLE of amazing CEO leadership (after all Starbucks gave him a huge payday so he must have made the company better!)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2)#49520039)

there is a trillion dollar bill laying on the street, go pick it up! everyone is stupid except you!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2)#49520051)

Also the issue isn't the product, its the infrastructure. Where the infrastructure exists, people buy more EVs. Simple.

But ya, cant really buy an EV right now in USA, not due to the EVs themselves, but do to the lack of public infrastructure.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2)#49520060)

EV's have two main problems, in my opinion. The first is lack of charging infrastructure. That is mostly fixed these days. Going on a road trip in an EV was a dicey proposition as recently as a few years ago, but it's easy today. But there still needs to be better slow charging infrastructure in cities, particularly for people who live in apartments and can't charge at home. But the infrastructure is improving rapidly.

The other big issue is cost. Even with subsidies, EV's were not cost competitive with ICE cars until very recently. Even today, EV's are slightly more expensive, although the monthly cost usually turns out to be cheaper once you factor in lower gas/maintenance costs. But ICE cars are not getting any cheaper whereas the cost of EV's is dropping rapidly. The battery is the most expensive part of an EV, and lithium ion battery prices have been dropping by about 8% per year. Today, the cost of an EV battery is about the same as the cost of an internal combustion engine. It will be much cheaper within 2-3 years. So, it is likely that soon EV's will be cheaper to manufacture than ICE cars, which means the prices at dealers should also be cheaper.

It's a tough spot for car manufacturers. No one really questions that EV's are the technology of the future. But the current demand is tepid. If they spend too much on EV's, they risk losing a ton of money in the short term. But if they don't, they will be bankrupt in a few years when cheap Chinese EV's flood the country and they can't compete. Ford may have scaled back their current EV operations, but they remain committed to creating their $30,000 electric truck in a few years. And the survival of their company may depend on its success.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2)#49522418)

Except, as you note, when you consider cost... or the ability to fuel it... or the dozen other things that are actually the key criteria for regular people when they purchase a car.

Which is why no one wants them. But autistic retards would really like it if someone forced folks to buy them anyway.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2)#49534057)

But somehow Biden spent billions to build no charging network and make EVs less popular.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2)#49515568)

The other issue is that people don't realize how much the EV charging infrastructure has improved in the past few years. People think that you can't take EV's on road trips, which was basically true for non-Tesla EV's a few years ago, but it isn't even close to being true today. I tell people that I took my EV on a thousand-mile road trip and spent no more time charging than I would have spent at the gas station, and people don't believe me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2)#49515593)

Like I said, enjoy your flip phone, Farm Animal.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2)#49517289)

I guess if you enjoy lighting money on fire you can go buy a tesla for 3x that plus have to spend several thousand rigging up your garage to plug the fucker in (which you’ll have to do again once they decide to change the charging mechanism)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2)#49517873)

"The government is controlled by the lizard people."

"What is your evidence of that?"

"I don't need any evidence. If you can't prove that I'm wrong, then I'm wright."

It's not my job to prove that your dumbass misinformation is false. Having said that, here you go:

https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths#Myth2

https://www.savethesound.org/2023/09/22/climate-explained-life-cycle-analysis/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2)#49517706)

Burden of proof is on you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2)#49517722)

In 2+ years of EV driving, the only time that range was an issue was when I was on a trip to a rural area in the mountains with no fast charging nearby. I had to make a long detour to a fast charger when it became obvious that my battery wouldn't last the entire trip. But at home, range is a non-issue because I charge to full in my garage every night. On the highway, range is a non-issue because the range of my car is much greater than the range of my bladder. Under normal conditions, range loss due to cold weather is not a concern.

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Sorry I live in the wide open west

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2)#49516668)

The market's downturn just means I"ll be able to get a great deal on an SUV when my Lease is up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2)#49516665)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2)#49523999)