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Trumpmo father of GA school shooter arrested, charge w/ 4 counts of manslaughter
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Date: September 5th, 2024 7:54 PM Author: thriller brunch sweet tailpipe Time to start holding these rightwing gun nuts accountable for their horrendous crimes
https://x.com/cnnbrk/status/1831840433380454607?s=46 |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 7:57 PM Author: brass prole market is he telekinectic? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054085) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 7:59 PM Author: thriller brunch sweet tailpipe Apparently it’s not a good idea to knowingly arm your psychotic son who you chose to name “Colt” if you want to stay out of prison (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054093) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:00 PM Author: Aromatic Son Of Senegal Pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054097) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:56 PM Author: red clown WHO COULD'VE SEEN THIS COMING!?! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054366) |
Date: September 5th, 2024 7:55 PM Author: appetizing burgundy orchestra pit good (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054075) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 7:56 PM Author: odious mauve half-breed double fault Who comes up with this shit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054081) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 7:58 PM Author: thriller brunch sweet tailpipe Crim bros explain:
4 counts of involuntary manslaughter 2 counts of second degree murder
There were four dead total |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:00 PM Author: bull headed walnut den Libs are deranged (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054099) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:07 PM Author: thriller brunch sweet tailpipe Why only two murder counts though? Why not four? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054132) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:00 PM Author: bull headed walnut den Unless there was some extreme negligence involved, libs are deranged (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054095) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:01 PM Author: Aromatic Son Of Senegal Pit someone has to be responsible for these psycho losers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054101) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:02 PM Author: bull headed walnut den (shitlib) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054103) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:14 PM Author: Aromatic Son Of Senegal Pit (father of a psycho loser) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054165) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:18 PM Author: bull headed walnut den (deranged shitlib) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054179) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:02 PM Author: thriller brunch sweet tailpipe This is enough. The kid was 14 and clearly deranged
“Colt’s father, Colin Gray, told investigators this week that he had purchased the gun used in the killings as a holiday present for his son, CNN previously reported.” |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:03 PM Author: bull headed walnut den (deranged lib) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054109) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:04 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate that isn't illegal in Georgia afaik (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054114) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:05 PM Author: thriller brunch sweet tailpipe You can’t give a gun to a kid like this and stay out of jail when he murders four people:
A Discord account that the FBI had linked to school shooting suspect Colt Gray last year referenced plans for a future mass shooting and shared screenshots of firearms, according to documents obtained by CNN.
“im committing a mass shooting and im waiting a good 2-3 years,” stated the Discord account user, according to screenshots included in an FBI incident report from May 2023 obtained by CNN. “I cant kill myself yet, cause I’m not contributing anything to culture I need to go out knowing I did.” The account referenced Adam Lanza, the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooter, and in separate posts shared a desire to target an elementary school and expressed frustration with the acceptance of transgender people.
Above a photograph of two firearms, the account posted, “I’m ready.” |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:10 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate that isn't a legal theory, that's just you being pissed
you can indeed just hand your kid an AR and say "go take a few shots out back" |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 10:26 PM Author: Infuriating Dilemma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48058892) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:46 PM Author: cerebral boistinker When a sheriff’s investigator from neighboring Jackson County interviewed Gray last year, the father said the boy had struggled with his parents’ separation and often got picked on at school. The teen frequently fired guns and hunted with his father, who photographed him with a deer’s blood on his cheeks.
“Son i know the house is fucked up right now, the cops have come calling about you being a psycho, and you are working through all kinds of issues via violence. That’s why single daddy got you a machine gun for Christmas.” |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:48 PM Author: bull headed walnut den (deranged lib) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054317) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 10:26 PM Author: Infuriating Dilemma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48058893) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 1:18 AM Author: Navy background story so the FBI knew about him and did nothing? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48055218) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:03 PM Author: cerebral boistinker This was a totally normal and chill Christmas present for a 13 year old mentally unstable boy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054108) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:03 PM Author: bull headed walnut den (deranged lib) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054112) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:43 PM Author: Trip feces trump supporter Jews don't have Christmas, hth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054292) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 6:16 PM Author: high-end avocado mood when I see "holiday present" my kike alarm goes off (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48058085) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:03 PM Author: cerebral boistinker I hope Kamala wins Georgia by one vote (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054110) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:03 PM Author: bull headed walnut den She's gonna lose queer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054113) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:57 PM Author: red clown Cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054377) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 5:06 PM Author: peach bateful people who are hurt gas station people sitting in jail waiting for their trial can still vote thanks to libs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48057807) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:03 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate what is the theory of the case as to how allowing a kid to get to your gun is manslaughter? that isn't illegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054111) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:04 PM Author: bull headed walnut den Libs are deranged (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054116) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:05 PM Author: godawful azn Oakland County, MI is the first jurisdiction in the country to hold parents vicariously liable for the homicides committed by their children (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054124) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:52 PM Author: Soul-stirring becky heaven now apply to chicago (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054834) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 11:07 PM Author: godawful azn it'd solve a lot of problems (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054904) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:06 PM Author: thriller brunch sweet tailpipe He bought the gun FOR the kid despite the fact that the kid was psychotic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054127) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:07 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate again, what is the theory of the case, giving your kid a gun is not illegal, that's how most kids get their guns (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054137) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:08 PM Author: odious mauve half-breed double fault It's still the dad's gun. Minors can't own property. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054138) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:10 PM Author: thriller brunch sweet tailpipe He gave him access to it and the kid posted pictures of it on social media saying he was going to shoot up the school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054147) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:15 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate again, giving your kid access to a gun is not illegal, nor is your child doing shit an act you have committed yourself (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054167) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:16 PM Author: thriller brunch sweet tailpipe Driving your kid to the store is not illegal, but if you had reason to believe he was going to rob it, you’re guilty of a crime (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054172) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:19 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate not manslaughter though, that would be an accessory charge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054182) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:21 PM Author: thriller brunch sweet tailpipe not a lawyer? There’s no such crime as accessory. You get charged AS an accessory FOR THE CRIME committed by the person you aided (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054192) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:22 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate but that has elements beyond the crime that was committed, not sure the exact ones in georgia, I looked up involuntary manslaughter though and that seems like a tough one to argue (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054196) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:27 PM Author: thriller brunch sweet tailpipe It wasn’t in Michigan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054214) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:28 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate yeah and they got Trump in NY, shitlibs don't believe in the rule of law, they believe in the rule of man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054215) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:32 PM Author: thriller brunch sweet tailpipe you’re deranged (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054232) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:33 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate I just have this thing about knowing what the law is ahead of time and not just deciding to use it against people we think are bad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054237) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:35 PM Author: bull headed walnut den (deranged faggot) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054249) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:22 PM Author: odious mauve half-breed double fault Every teenager has access to their parents, guns, or booze, or drugs, or porn tapes, or dildos. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054195) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:31 PM Author: thriller brunch sweet tailpipe Guess what happens to you if your kid’s friend ODs on drugs or alcohol at your house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054225) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:32 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate what about when your 16 year old kills a kid in a car wreck? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054230) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:35 PM Author: bull headed walnut den You're a deranged faggot hth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054247) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:59 PM Author: red clown But the dildos are fair game, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054380) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:59 PM Author: Greedy Regret Stage what is the theory of the case as to how pulling the trigger on a gun is murder? that isn't illegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054384) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 9:16 AM Author: thriller brunch sweet tailpipe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48055979) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 10:27 PM Author: Infuriating Dilemma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48058895) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:44 PM Author: Milky therapy Just spitballing, but how about a theory of grossly negligent entrustment? Assuming the father gave the shooter the gun. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054563) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:49 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate is that a crime in Georgia? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054582) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:54 PM Author: Milky therapy These are obviously novel prosecutions. GA Code § 16-5-3 appears to largely codify common law manslaughter, so I think it's a viable theory under (b) for gross negligence or (a) if was illegal ab initio to give the 14 year old a gun. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054602) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:58 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate unlawful still needs to encompass something elsewhere defined as unlawful though no? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054620) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:04 PM Author: Milky therapy Unlawful here includes grossly negligent or reckless conduct resulting in death. There are still causation arguments for the defense to raise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054649) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:08 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate wouldn't you just charge him with that then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054667) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:22 PM Author: Milky therapy Charge him with what? They've charged him with involuntary manslaughter, and I've laid out the theories to fit that charge. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054731) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:23 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate but that isn't grossly negligent conduct resulting in death, which you said was the unlawful act (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054737) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:27 PM Author: Milky therapy The prosecution will argue it was grossly negligent to give the shooter the gun, and but for the act of giving the shooter the gun, the deaths would not have resulted.
The defense will argue proximate causation issues, possibly the shooter's mental illness being an intervening/superseding cause (though the father's knowledge of any mental illness evinces gross negligence in entrusting the kid with the gun). |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:44 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate but shouldn't that grossly negligent conduct be a separate unlaw act, it has to be a crime even if the little retard had missed and not hurt anyone (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054812) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 10:29 PM Author: Infuriating Dilemma 180 scholarship sub thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48058899) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:05 PM Author: azure aphrodisiac friendly grandma This is retarded. Michigan case set a terrible precedent (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054119) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:05 PM Author: godawful azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054125) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:07 PM Author: bull headed walnut den Not according to board libs! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054131) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:49 PM Author: Marvelous center jap Are they going to start applying it in inner city crime cases? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054323) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:50 PM Author: bull headed walnut den Lol what do you think (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054327) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:59 PM Author: red clown They already do you racist piece of shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054381) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:09 PM Author: Marvelous center jap Ok I gotta hear this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054675) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 12:43 AM Author: Bonkers Histrionic Casino Tons of black fathers have been arrested for gifting their black kids guns. It's a big problem because black fathers are so generous with their black kids (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48055156) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 3:30 PM Author: Marvelous center jap Is that where they all went? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48057430) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 6:13 PM Author: Domesticated onyx business firm affirmative action (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48058073) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 12:42 AM Author: narrow-minded unholy parlour depressive Gonna need some links (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48055154) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:17 PM Author: cerebral boistinker Are the gun nuts itt worried that they can’t be shitty parents, or do they already know they have little Chos of their own (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054176) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:19 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate most real americans give their children guns, I received two as a child (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054185) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:20 PM Author: godawful azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054188) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:32 PM Author: Irradiated tripping senate legend I read somewhere that fbi or some other agency talked to the dad last year after kid was caught making threats online, dad informed authorities he had guns at that time. Clearly didn’t get rid of them or take any action.
But is it a crime? Probably not
Is it irresponsible parenting? 100% yes. If you had a psycho child you wouldn’t get rid of your guns to remove the temptation? |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:32 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate I'd be fine with a lawsuit for negligence, but manslaughter? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054236) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:33 PM Author: Irradiated tripping senate legend Ya idk seems like a stretch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054238) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:38 PM Author: Cyan Incel Nursing Home cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054271) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:51 PM Author: azure aphrodisiac friendly grandma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054338) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:35 PM Author: thriller brunch sweet tailpipe It is 100% a crime to give your kid a gun he then shoots up the school with after police already informed you that he made threats to shoot up the school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054246) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:36 PM Author: Irradiated tripping senate legend What crime (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054251) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:38 PM Author: thriller brunch sweet tailpipe Manslaughter and/or murder as an accessory (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054269) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:01 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate involuntary manslaughter in georgia appears to require an unlawful act, or a lawful act carried out by unlawful means (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054395) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 9:29 PM Author: Talented useless brakes I'm pretty sure it's unlawful to give your mentally incapacitated tranny kid an AR-15 but I'm not a lawyer
Also the mom has a rap sheet 10 miles long and it's generally frowned upon to have accessible firearms in a home with a convicted felon. |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 9:32 PM Author: Soul-stirring becky heaven not a lawyer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48058729) |
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Date: September 8th, 2024 11:37 AM Author: Wonderful Goal In Life Unlawful to give a mentally ill child who is a risk to society a gun in the first place. Child endangerment etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48062443) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:36 PM Author: bull headed walnut den Lol ESL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054252) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:36 PM Author: cerebral boistinker But but the 2nd amendment protects my right to be shitty parent and neighbor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054253) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:36 PM Author: bull headed walnut den (deranged lib) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054257) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:55 PM Author: godawful azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054359) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:39 PM Author: thriller brunch sweet tailpipe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054277) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:56 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate on what basis? What with laws having elements and all (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054368) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:01 PM Author: red clown Why are Gun mos having such s hard time understanding this very basic premise?
YOU CANNOT GIVE A GUN TO A MENTALKY UNHINGED PERSON WHO HAS ALREADT THREATENED TO KILL PEOPLE |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:03 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate which code section is that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054407) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:06 PM Author: red clown ocga 16-2-20 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054423) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:08 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate that literally requires intentionally having the crime committed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054433) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:09 PM Author: red clown Read (4) you dumb nigger (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054437) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:11 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate still says "intentionally" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054445) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:04 PM Author: odious mauve half-breed double fault Nobody knows what the crime is, but it is for sure a crime. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054411) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:06 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate that does appear to be lib logic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054418) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 6:10 PM Author: splenetic fluffy base yarmulke res ipsa lokeyshooter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48058059) |
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Date: September 8th, 2024 2:45 AM Author: splenetic fluffy base yarmulke wasn't working with a lot here and still made something out of nothing. You guys don't have any fun anymore. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48061901) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 6:01 PM Author: Provocative reading party abode Definitely a prole tell, but probably not a crime. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48058029) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:37 PM Author: cerebral boistinker Gun nuts are FUMING (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054260) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:38 PM Author: bull headed walnut den (deranged lib) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054266) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:48 PM Author: apoplectic vigorous institution (poormo)
just post under one moniker baseball fan/TSINAH/Voodoo |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:48 PM Author: bull headed walnut den (deranged lib) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054315) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:40 PM Author: thriller brunch sweet tailpipe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054279) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:48 PM Author: appetizing burgundy orchestra pit who cares they’re idiots (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054822) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:47 PM Author: apoplectic vigorous institution good (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054310) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:59 PM Author: Passionate generalized bond site Trumpmo here and maybe I am a fag for this but IMO if your kid is a psychotic school shooter that should be plainly obvious to you and if you give him a gun to go shoot up a school I have no problem with you being held responsible for that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054385) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:02 PM Author: red clown The dad was okay with his son being a ducking psycho as Kong as his wrath was pointed at fags and niggers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054401) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:03 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate civilly yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054408) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:05 PM Author: Buff Hominid Theatre agreed, not really bothered by this - the FBI had apparently warned the father what the son was saying online and the son still had access to the guns (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054415) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 4:31 PM Author: Navy background story FBI did a great job once again… (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48057687) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:08 PM Author: azure aphrodisiac friendly grandma "being held responsible" could mean a whole range of things. actual murder/manslaughter charges seem like a huge stretch imo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054432) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:12 PM Author: Irradiated tripping senate legend yea that’s a non sequitur. of course he should be held responsible in some way (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054448) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:34 PM Author: Vivacious indirect expression immigrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054514) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 12:45 AM Author: narrow-minded unholy parlour depressive Agree here, but want the concept expanded to parents of hoodrat gang bangers, not just whites. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48055164) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 9:18 AM Author: thriller brunch sweet tailpipe Parents of hoodrat teens get charged all the time for leaving loaded guns around. There’s like a new story every week (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48055989) |
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Date: September 7th, 2024 8:17 AM Author: titillating grizzly rigpig For murder? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48059482) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 4:10 PM Author: free-loading locus that's a substantial argument that has to be seriously considered.
suppose you are a parent and you know that your child has atrocious eyesight and impaired motor control and you put them behind the wheel of a boat, jetski, car, etc. there's liability there, right? |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:37 PM Author: Vivacious indirect expression immigrant Gun nut 2A supporter and wrongtime tlumpmo here.
Dad is guilty af and I hope he fries. Michigan set a great precedent. It's time to start holding parents accountable for their psychotic kids.
If the dad had locked the gun in a safe and the kid chainsawed it out of there then ya no charges but this is extremely basic to understand. Dad knew the kid was crazy and threatening violence, gave him a weapon. People died. Go directly to jail. I don't care what the charge is, it's a felony. In the jury's hands now and no this is not some lib insanity this is criminal justice 101 fuck you all hank scorpio et all burn in hell this is a felony. |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:39 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate then pass a law, don't just make shit up, that's why libs are advocating for safe storage laws, which coincidentally enough, Georgia doesn't have (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054537) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:59 PM Author: Vivacious indirect expression immigrant You're overthinking this. You're being pedantic. Your rhetorical arguments bite off your nose to spite your face. The laws are already on the books for this. They don't have to pass a special law "In the event you give your child a gun after being made aware by law enforcement that he's homicidal you are liable" like no, the charges fit the crime and you just don't like it. This isn't some crazy prosecution theory. It makes perfect sense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054627) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:00 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate I've yet to see that laid out itt, you do need a specific law with specific elements to be met (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054630) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:01 PM Author: Vivacious indirect expression immigrant The charges are second degree murder, manslaughter, and cruelty to children.
He's gonna fry, soyboy. He's getting 20-30. |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:03 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate the cruelty to children one is by far the best (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054647) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:05 PM Author: Vivacious indirect expression immigrant (Guy not barred in Georgia) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054654) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:06 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate wdym? That actually seems to be plausible here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054658) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:01 PM Author: cerebral boistinker HURR DURR JUST PASS A LAW THEN (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054636) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:02 PM Author: Vivacious indirect expression immigrant "But I haven't seen the argument laid out! It's not in the rules!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054641) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:04 PM Author: cerebral boistinker This must be the new 75 iq NRA talking point, that we need a specific crime applicable only when dipshit parents buy their clearly psycho kid a gun (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054648) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:04 PM Author: Vivacious indirect expression immigrant I literally love guns but I'm not mentally deranged so I can see this for what it is. Dad should fry. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054651) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:09 PM Author: cerebral boistinker Don’t love guns but grew up with and around them. I support responsible gun ownership.
The idiotic parents who enable their obviously unstable minor children deserve the liability |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:06 PM Author: magenta contagious location toaster 100% agreed and I literally only care about the 2nd amendment. I'm also positive that my shooting instructor would agree (former NRA board member) because he is constantly stressing to keep guns locked up tight if you live with *anyone* period.
There is no "Christmas gift exemption" to this rule. |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:13 PM Author: Vivacious indirect expression immigrant Irresponsible gun owners give us a bad name. It's a classic this is why we can't have nice things argument. We deserve the second amendment but we also have millions of complete retards. It doesn't mean 2A is wrong but we need better law enforcement, better equipped schools, more scrutiny on parents etc. And many more things we could do.
Look at Thomas Crooks. The problem isn't that in a country of 330 million people there isn't gonna be some psycho out there. It's the failure of the Secret Service. You can't just play offense, you gotta play defense and we don't do enough law enforcement in this country. |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:14 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate this is absolute nonsense, none of this shit happened until 25 year ago, gun laws and law enforcement are not what changed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054698) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:15 PM Author: Vivacious indirect expression immigrant What changed bud? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054705) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:19 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate that's a much more interesting question, I'd say a full 50% is media and this has been studied and proven over and over again I also think the introduction of the large scale psychiatric medication of children is probably a lot of it, we know for a fact some percentage of kids on this shit have very negative reactions including suicide, this seems plausible as a form of that |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:30 PM Author: Vivacious indirect expression immigrant There will always be some nutters. There's a whackjob born every day. Law enforcement needs to do a better job of identifying them. The Orlando nightclub guy was monitored by the FBI. They knew. Someone always knows. When someone's unhinged there are tells. Let's document em. Maybe create a charge like a sex offender registry where if you make credible threats you go on a list. People have the right to know who in their community is a threat. Schools need more police.
The media isn't going to change and you don't want to end up like some gay European country where they hide the identities of all the suspects. Kids are always going to go on 4chan and see the footage from Christchurch and read a bunch of manifestos. The information is out there. It's about what we do to contain it. You can't stop kids from going on the internet. But we can identify who is a likely threat to the community and go from there. |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:32 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate no, we can't, law enforcement is not that good, as you said the fbi already knew, but they also knew about a thousand other psycho teenagers and they can't do shit about it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054782) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:33 PM Author: Vivacious indirect expression immigrant Right put the community on alert. Let the families of the other students know. If my kid was in class with a guy who was making threats and had a redneck dad I'd want to know about it. Publicize the insanity of the children. Get the word out, hey, Timmy is fucking insane. Let the community handle it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054792) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:34 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate that is not law enforcement, that is a community that used to exist in a lot of places not 25 years ago (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054798) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:41 PM Author: Vivacious indirect expression immigrant Well everyone today is glued to screens and no one knows their neighbors. What are you going to do? You identity kids who are nutjobs and you deal with them appropriately by escalating the situation forward progressively depending on their antisocial behavior. You know Adam Lanza was pretty screwed up. I think the community ought to have been informed. Psychos are psychos all the time. You have to do something about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054809) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:45 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate I think building a functional society is more important and worthwhile than building a police state
people used to deal with it just fine, you know and interact with your neighbors |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:55 PM Author: Vivacious indirect expression immigrant That's a total impossibility now. The way things are set up. Nobody even wants to know one other person. We have reached peak social isolation as a society. Most people today are completely disgusted by the other kids in their kids class. It's a crab bucket mentality all the way down. You gotta get yours and get out. Badda boom badda bing. Only couch potatoes have the time to 'hang out' and meet people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054841) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:59 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate and that is precisely the problem, ignoring it in favor of more control is the path to hell brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054858) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 11:01 PM Author: Vivacious indirect expression immigrant You can't force people to socialize. The only way to fix this would be to mandate each race living among its own kind. The only way to grow a universal bond. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054876) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 11:04 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate so your solution is ever more brutal and intrusive control by faceless agents of the state armed with guns of their own?
I'll take my chances as it stands |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 11:06 PM Author: Vivacious indirect expression immigrant At least I'm not advocating that we give up our guns for any reason ever. Just that the state and community get involved with dangerous individuals who are on a path to murder. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054897) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 11:08 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate we've had red flag laws for a while, nobody is willing to use them, not even rancid libs
well, troubled women after revenge are, but nobody who could actually stop a shooting ever does |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 11:23 PM Author: Vivacious indirect expression immigrant I think that's on law enforcement. You don't have to go to the red flag but you can start with community awareness. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054957) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 11:24 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate wishful thinking and not a solution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054966) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:17 PM Author: bull headed walnut den Look, if we just give libs an inch here they'll stop there, OK? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054713) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:23 PM Author: odious mauve half-breed double fault They didn't have fun safes during the revolutionary war you retard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054741) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:33 PM Author: magenta contagious location toaster You mean people were more lax with muskets than 9mm 17+1 semi autos? People don't lock their long guns in tiny safes today either, idiot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054787) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:23 PM Author: odious mauve half-breed double fault People should be able to leave loaded guns out in the open. This is America. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054736) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:26 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate I'm not sure making it illegal to set your gun down is a tenable position (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054754) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:10 PM Author: Aromatic Son Of Senegal Pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054678) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:22 PM Author: odious mauve half-breed double fault rongtome Trumpmo here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054733) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 10:24 PM Author: Know-it-all brethren police squad EPAH free thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054746) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 11:00 PM Author: black volcanic crater The only thing that gives me pause here is that the Dad hunted and fired guns WITH the kid.
It just seems hard to me to believe that one of these kids could be spending time with his Dad and do this |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 11:05 PM Author: Vivacious indirect expression immigrant Because it's fuckin genetic and some people are born crazy and they're just destined to snap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054894) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 11:07 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate the world breaks them, this is usually just a form of suicide, the nashville tranny or any of the rest of them could have as easily hanged themselves they just get it into their head this is the best way to make a scene
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Date: September 5th, 2024 11:24 PM Author: Vivacious indirect expression immigrant You're not going to convince a mass shooter that they'd be better to just kill themselves. You can't stop them from popping up in the population. They will continue to exist. They lash out because they feel invisible. But you can't help them with a hug and a conversation. They're still going to be messed up no matter how they're treated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054968) |
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Date: September 5th, 2024 11:24 PM Author: Frozen Sneaky Criminal he should be executed for siring a troon imo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48054964) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 12:50 AM Author: Electric indigo public bath sandwich How are the parents more culpable than the RBI here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48055178) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 12:58 AM Author: Sadistic boltzmann partner 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48055191) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 9:13 AM Author: thriller brunch sweet tailpipe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48055966) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 10:35 PM Author: Comical potus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48058906) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 1:30 PM Author: Confused university factory reset button To be fair,
Literal Neo-Nazi + retired former POTUS of the NRA (I personally own 1000+ guns) here, and I think all white people should be held collectively responsible for this and we need to immediately repeal the 2nd Amendment and pass federal legislation outlawing private firearms ownership in America. It's the only just and fair thing to do IMO, just being real. |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 3:33 PM Author: thriller brunch sweet tailpipe Or we can just hold this one irresponsible father accountable for his crimes thereby sending a message to others who might otherwise act in similar ways (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48057447) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 3:35 PM Author: Confused university factory reset button To be fair,
OK but only if you guys PROMISE that in the future this won't be cited to help set a "precedent" which ultimately gets expanded and weaponized much more broadly in the context of the liberal push to outlaw guns and demonize gun owners... I don't want to "give an inch" only to watch you guys "take a mile"! |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 3:48 PM Author: thriller brunch sweet tailpipe No deal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48057490) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 5:00 PM Author: Comical potus Will parents of those gang banger 13 year olds doing carjackings in every major city be criminally liable going forward too? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48057797) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 5:04 PM Author: thriller brunch sweet tailpipe That happens literally every week (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48057804) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 5:57 PM Author: Sadistic boltzmann partner Are they providing the guns? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48058013) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 5:12 PM Author: Soul-stirring becky heaven if we are going to blame parents for the actions of their teenagers then we'd be better off sentencing parents to community service for having gay kids, jail for having really gay kids, and the death penalty for having tranny kids. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48057830) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 5:58 PM Author: thriller brunch sweet tailpipe He’s not being blamed for the actions of his kid, he’s being blamed for giving a gun to his kid who he knew was psychotic. Now four people are dead because of him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48058019) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 6:18 PM Author: Soul-stirring becky heaven Colt Gray, an Apalachee student, has been charged as an adult with four counts of murder. Prosecutors have also charged the father, who faces up to 180 years in prison if convicted of involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second-degree murder and eight counts of cruelty to children. They allege he provided the weapon to his son. In bringing charges against the father of the accused shooter, prosecutors are implementing an emerging legal approach as the United States grapples with mass gun violence in schools. It is steadily winning support from some survivor groups and state authorities, but critics say the tactic risks prosecutorial overreach and may do little to deter shootings. In that instance, Jennifer and James Crumbley, parents of Ethan Crumbley, who in 2021 shot and killed four classmates at Oxford High School, were sentenced to 10 to 15 years in prison after being convicted for manslaughter. The jury found them guilty of not securing guns in their home and of ignoring warning signs that their son was mentally disturbed. Karen McDonald, the Michigan prosecutor who put the Crumbley parents on trial, said she hopes high-profile cases like that against Colin Gray in Georgia serve as a wake-up call to gun owners that they need to secure their weapons in the home. "In the Crumbley case, as well as in this case, parents are not being charged for their child's crimes," said Carey. "The parents are being punished for their own criminal misconduct of enabling this violence to occur." "But this does nothing," she said. "This does nothing to stop school shootings, as egregious as they are. It's a way for police to say they're doing something." Investigators have yet to comment on what may have motivated the first U.S. campus mass shooting since the start of the school year. Both of the Grays were interviewed in May 2023 by officials in a neighboring county in connection with online threats about carrying out a school shooting made on the gaming social media platform Discord, according to investigators. tldr: this is pure overreactive liberal (probably) scum theory in action |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 7:17 PM Author: thriller brunch sweet tailpipe 180 years is too light imo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48058337) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 9:05 PM Author: Soul-stirring becky heaven lol. sure you believe that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48058662) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 7:41 PM Author: thriller brunch sweet tailpipe Wow look at this a hoodrat mother being charged for her 3-yo shooting himself in the face. I thought this never happens?
https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2024/09/06/3-year-old-boy-accidentally-shoots-himself-in-face-with-mothers-gun-on-detroits-east-side/ |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 9:31 PM Author: Soul-stirring becky heaven quotemo thinking the similarities between 3-year-olds and 14-year-olds makes this a good post (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48058726) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 10:24 PM Author: azure aphrodisiac friendly grandma doesnt sound like she was charged with murder or manslaughter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48058882) |
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Date: September 7th, 2024 11:16 AM Author: thriller brunch sweet tailpipe well considering no one died I don’t think she can be (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48059754) |
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Date: September 6th, 2024 10:36 PM Author: cerebral boistinker This shit would kill on Facebook my man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48058911) |
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Date: September 7th, 2024 7:26 AM Author: laughsome ruddy parlor gay wizard nice try with your far left disinformation, redditard
Shooter was a confirmed tranny. This blood is on the left's hands. piece of shit.
https://x.com/MattWallace888/status/1832118332994007173 |
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Date: September 7th, 2024 7:59 PM Author: thriller brunch sweet tailpipe He hated trannies actually (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48060996) |
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Date: September 7th, 2024 7:43 AM Author: fuchsia supple hall i'm not a lib, but also not a gun nut. i can see why there is a divide on the issue of the dad being charged. there's a fair amount of gray area. i think criminal charges are appropriate, but murder is a reach and i think that has no chance.
for those of you who do not support the criminal charges of any kind for the father, be advised that sealclubber agrees with you. |
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Date: September 7th, 2024 1:43 PM Author: free-loading locus Prof Robert Leider, of GMU =====
On Wednesday, an all-too-familiar tragic scene played out, when a student at a Georgia high school opened fire on his teachers and classmates. The student killed four and injured nine others with a semiautomatic rifle. He stands charged with murder. But police also promptly arrested his father and charged him with four counts of involuntary manslaughter and eight counts of cruelty to children. Police have alleged that the father "knowingly allowed him to possess" the rifle. Although police have not released the full details of the case against the father, this case has the potential to drastically expand criminal liability against parents for the criminal acts of their children.
The law traditionally has not imposed a general duty upon parents to protect third parties against the criminal acts of their children. And for good reasons. Parents are not in a position to control their children's behavior at all times. Although parents may choose to have children, they do not choose the children that they get. Unlike the employer-employee relationship, parents cannot terminate a child who exhibits problematic behavior.
But there are some exceptions where parents may violate duties of their own. A parent can become liable when he fails to exercise control over the child and the child's wrongful act is reasonably foreseeable. Even here, however, courts (usually in the tort context—criminal cases are rare) have imposed a strict standard for what qualifies as reasonably foreseeable. To quote the Alaska Supreme Court:
A plaintiff must show more than a parent's general notice of a child's dangerous propensity. A plaintiff must also show that the parent had reason to know with some specificity of a present opportunity and need to restrain the child to prevent some imminently foreseeable harm.
Dinsmore-Poff v. Alvord, 972, P.2d 978, 986 (Alaska 1999).
Other courts have formulated similarly stringent tests. See, e.g., Wells v. Hickman, 657 N.E.2d 172, 178 (Ind. 1995) ("Imposition of a duty is limited to those circumstances where a reasonably foreseeable victim is injured by a reasonably foreseeable harm.… Specifically, the parent must know or should have known that the child had a habit of engaging in the particular act or course of conduct which led to the plaintiff's injury.") (citing Parsons v. Smithey, 504 P.2d 1272, 1276 (Ariz. 1973) ("On the subject of parental liability for failure to control children, it appears that the parents must have knowledge of the child's habitual conduct manifested by evidence of prior acts which are the same or similar to the act complained of.")).
In the Georgia case, liability would depend on what precisely the parents knew. It has been reported that the FBI previously interviewed the school shooter because of online threats. Certainly, if the parents were aware that the teenager represented a credible danger to the school, they would have had the obligation to control him, including (most obviously) by not supplying the child with a rifle. But reports indicate that the child denied making the threats and the FBI could not find probable cause (a very low evidentiary standard) that he did so. It is doubtful that one unsubstantiated allegation months earlier that a child made threats would place parents on notice that a child may be violent now.
With respect to the publicly known facts, the lack of specificity separates this case from the Michigan cases of Jennifer and James Crumbley, to which it has been compared. In the Michigan case, the Crumbleys were convicted of involuntary manslaughter for supplying a handgun to their child while ignoring his mental health problems. The child later used the handgun in a school shooting to murder four students and wound six others.
But the Crumbleys were on extensive notice that their son was troubled and potentially an immediate danger. Indeed, the Crumbleys met with school officials on the morning of the shooting in response to artwork by their son depicting violence and pleading for help. Yet, they did nothing to alert school officials about his possible access to a weapon, nor did they check to make sure their firearm was still in their possession. They simply left him at school. (Their case remains on appeal. Given how high the standard is for parental liability, they have a reasonable chance to succeed.)
Of course, police have not released all their evidence, and they are still investigating. When more evidence comes to light, prosecutors may have substantial other evidence that the Georgia parents were on specific notice of the danger.
As of now, however, the director of the Georgia Bureau of Investigation has framed the case as one of a parent "knowingly allowing his son to possess a weapon." But another major difference between the Georgia case and the Michigan case is that the Georgia case involved a rifle while the Michigan case involved a handgun. The differences in weapons matter legally. Because handguns are more susceptible of criminal misuse, federal and state laws more tightly regulate the possession of a handgun by a minor. In general, it is unlawful for a minor to possess a handgun. There are exceptions (e.g., target shooting and hunting), but many states additionally require that, even then, adults directly supervise minors. In contrast, federal law does not prohibit minors from possessing rifles and shotguns, nor do many states (including Georgia). Unlike with handguns, it is more common to permit minors unsupervised access to rifles and shotguns for hunting and target shooting.
Granted, this case involved an AR-15 type rifle. A few jurisdictions (e.g., Virginia) separate some semiautomatic rifles (designated as "assault weapons" or "assault firearms") and restrict juvenile possession in the same manner as handguns. But most states treat rifles and shotguns as a class, and do not separate rifles by type. Georgia is among them.
It is also unclear exactly how the Georgia child gained access to the firearm. A parent can also be liable for the acts of his child if he negligently entrusts a dangerous instrumentality to his child. The particular facts will likely be highly significant. Did the parent in this case consent to his son having possession of the rifle? Or did the child take the rifle without permission?
At the end of the day, however, it is not clear whether these legal technicalities will matter. We may be witnessing a development in the law of parental responsibility. Although school shootings and mass shootings are rare (they make up a small fraction of all homicides), they terrify the population far more than ordinary street violence. Americans may have had enough, and they may want the law to develop in a direction to impose a more substantial duty on parents to keep firearms away from minors. Guns are not the only dangerous instrumentality to which minors have access; cars cause thousands of deaths each year, too. If the law evolves, it remains to be seen whether it will be a "gun exception" to normal rules of parental responsibility or whether the law will impose stronger duties on parents in other domains as well. |
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Date: September 7th, 2024 8:07 PM Author: Stirring Temple Associate this seems about right, but he left out "bad facts make bad law" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48061004) |
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Date: September 7th, 2024 8:17 PM Author: thriller brunch sweet tailpipe So it’s the right of the father to arm his son who said he was going to shoot up the school? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48061013) |
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Date: September 8th, 2024 10:38 AM Author: free-loading locus cr "bad facts make bad law" observation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48062262) |
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Date: September 8th, 2024 11:39 AM Author: Wonderful Goal In Life Where there’s a wrong, there’s a remedy my friend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48062452) |
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Date: September 8th, 2024 12:10 PM Author: free-loading locus But see, Justice Barrett's majority opinion in the censorship case. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5589487&forum_id=2)#48062514) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2025 10:47 AM Author: ....,.,.;;;,.,,:,.,..,::,....,:,..,. Any update on these fags?
Edit: looks like the fathers trial date was bumped from September to January following a change of venue motion |