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any books you read or wish you had read in high school? look...
Hyperventilating Garrison
  12/18/25
I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderso...
stimulating ocher ceo
  12/18/25
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712? Reasonable price, ...
Outnumbered Irradiated Toilet Seat
  12/18/25
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Flushed space athletic conference
  12/18/25
"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys...
Aphrodisiac Hell
  12/19/25
this is now forever in my search history I want you dead,...
Aphrodisiac Hell
  12/19/25
mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel
Frum heaven
  12/18/25
A few offhand: -On the Shortness of Life - Seneca -Sta...
180 honey-headed house internal respiration
  12/18/25
https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&a...
Aphrodisiac Hell
  12/19/25
or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of...
harsh shivering patrolman
  12/19/25
The Illustrated Man Odyssey The International Jew 1984 M...
Godawful hot foreskin
  12/18/25
Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters
Cerebral stag film
  12/18/25
i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer readin...
Hyperventilating Garrison
  12/18/25
Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Ce...
Cerebral stag film
  12/18/25
they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your...
Hyperventilating Garrison
  12/18/25
180
Cerebral stag film
  12/18/25
The eyes and the impossible sourdough heart of samurai...
Vivacious metal theater stage persian
  12/18/25
rocket boys is 180
Glittery indian lodge striped hyena
  12/18/25
Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo
Vivacious metal theater stage persian
  12/18/25
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Glittery indian lodge striped hyena
  12/19/25
weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party...
harsh shivering patrolman
  12/22/25
CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" thos...
rambunctious center
  12/18/25
he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that&rsq...
Hyperventilating Garrison
  12/18/25
The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)
hairraiser school cafeteria
  12/18/25
ty for the recs, this is helpful i just asked him what bo...
Hyperventilating Garrison
  12/18/25
Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has rea...
Vengeful odious dilemma telephone
  12/18/25
seconding count of monte cristo three musketeers is also ...
mewling useless brakes parlor
  12/18/25
JackTales 🤡😳
Navy Regret Juggernaut
  12/18/25
those are for reading out loud , clown
Vivacious metal theater stage persian
  12/18/25
The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton https://www.amazon...
chest-beating onyx home french chef
  12/18/25
Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz) We Were Soldiers Once… And...
cowardly saffron institution
  12/18/25
are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by ...
french excitant field water buffalo
  12/18/25
I’m not even sure which author you’re talking ab...
cowardly saffron institution
  12/18/25
lol
french excitant field water buffalo
  12/18/25
he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers &qu...
Spectacular fanboi degenerate
  12/21/25
Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000
Glittery indian lodge striped hyena
  12/18/25
No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a bet...
cowardly saffron institution
  12/18/25
James Bond novels Conan (only read the flemming and howard...
motley legend clown
  12/18/25
The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.
180 honey-headed house internal respiration
  12/18/25
Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 ...
motley legend clown
  12/18/25
Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new boo...
180 honey-headed house internal respiration
  12/18/25
1. Goldfinger 2. Moonraker 3. Casino Royale 4. From Russ...
motley legend clown
  12/19/25
tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I th...
180 honey-headed house internal respiration
  12/21/25
cr
Glittery indian lodge striped hyena
  12/18/25
Anabasis
soul-stirring filthy church building
  12/18/25
...
french excitant field water buffalo
  12/18/25
Flowers for Algernon
talking orchestra pit
  12/18/25
The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant Man's Sear...
french excitant field water buffalo
  12/18/25
a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it...
razzle-dazzle plaza private investor
  12/18/25
Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in ...
chestnut exciting public bath
  12/18/25
Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?) Zen and the Art of Motorc...
bateful lay
  12/18/25
> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance lol
french excitant field water buffalo
  12/18/25
read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class i...
Hyperventilating Garrison
  12/18/25
zorba the greek
Glittery indian lodge striped hyena
  12/18/25
...
cowardly saffron institution
  12/18/25
Several good recs already upthread. Some others: The Thin...
rambunctious center
  12/18/25
Cr. list I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit ov...
cowardly saffron institution
  12/18/25
The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorit...
sable brunch
  12/18/25
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rambunctious center
  12/18/25
agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise cau...
Spectacular fanboi degenerate
  12/22/25
Watership Down A Day No Pigs Would Die 2nd Where the R...
Learning Disabled Casino Faggotry
  12/18/25
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crystalline narrow-minded digit ratio kitty cat
  12/18/25
Starship Troopers Enders Game Johnny Tremain Childhoods E...
idiotic titillating feces
  12/18/25
A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES
Aphrodisiac Hell
  12/19/25
Neon Bible better rec for younger kid
soul-stirring filthy church building
  12/19/25
abridged edgar allen poe short stories
Orange flatulent factory reset button
  12/19/25
https://kommandostore.com/products/republic-of-south-africa-...
Bossy crackhouse keepsake machete
  12/26/25


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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:03 PM
Author: Hyperventilating Garrison

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? looking for something that would be motivating / tools for life genre

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519424)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:15 PM
Author: stimulating ocher ceo

I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderson (Broken Sword, Three Hearts and Three Lions) Fritz Lieber (Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser) etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519444)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:19 PM
Author: Outnumbered Irradiated Toilet Seat

https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712?

Reasonable price, free shipping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519452)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: Flushed space athletic conference



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519458)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:35 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac Hell

"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys and crayons, a bubble bath, and lots of love."

-- School Library Journal

"Will undoubtedly be scooped up by families seeking queer representation in board books."

-- Kirkus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49521596)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:42 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac Hell

this is now forever in my search history

I want you dead, Malk Poo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49521719)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: Frum heaven

mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519459)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: 180 honey-headed house internal respiration

A few offhand:

-On the Shortness of Life - Seneca

-Starship Troopers (the book is much better and more serious than the movie)

-Bonfire of the Vanities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519460)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:10 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac Hell

https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&forum_id=2#35633765

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49521571)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:32 AM
Author: harsh shivering patrolman

or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of his vanities

toughens him up a bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49522050)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:23 PM
Author: Godawful hot foreskin

The Illustrated Man

Odyssey

The International Jew

1984

Meditations

The Myth of Sisyphus

Hamlet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519465)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: Cerebral stag film

Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519476)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: Hyperventilating Garrison

i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer reading assignments



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519493)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:34 PM
Author: Cerebral stag film

Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Celestine Prophecy, Lord of the Flies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519513)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: Hyperventilating Garrison

they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your other recs, ty!

he just finished peak, so hatchet is a good one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519523)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:45 PM
Author: Cerebral stag film

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519559)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:01 PM
Author: Vivacious metal theater stage persian

The eyes and the impossible

sourdough

heart of samurai

artemis

rocket boys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519953)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:13 PM
Author: Glittery indian lodge striped hyena

rocket boys is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49520282)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:18 PM
Author: Vivacious metal theater stage persian

Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49521280)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:34 AM
Author: Glittery indian lodge striped hyena



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49521595)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 10:54 AM
Author: harsh shivering patrolman

weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party scene at my rural West Virginia high school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49530601)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: rambunctious center

CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" those by HS, especially later in HS?

My 7 year old just read--and really enjoyed--Hatchet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519755)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:00 PM
Author: Hyperventilating Garrison

he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that’s more his reading level

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519767)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:28 PM
Author: hairraiser school cafeteria

The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519483)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: Hyperventilating Garrison

ty for the recs, this is helpful

i just asked him what book he’s reading (we’re on a flight) and its war and peace

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519489)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:24 PM
Author: Vengeful odious dilemma telephone

Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has read tons of other Russian lit and has a solid grounding in religion and philosophy.

Count of Monte Cristo is a goat novel that is also accessible and really exciting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519679)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: mewling useless brakes parlor

seconding count of monte cristo

three musketeers is also great and vastly superior to any adaptation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519686)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: Navy Regret Juggernaut

JackTales 🤡😳

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519490)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:02 PM
Author: Vivacious metal theater stage persian

those are for reading out loud , clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519956)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: chest-beating onyx home french chef

The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton

https://www.amazon.com/Boy-Pink-Hair-Perez-Hilton/dp/0451234200

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519492)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:32 PM
Author: cowardly saffron institution

Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz)

We Were Soldiers Once… And Young (Moore & Galloway)

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage (Lansing)

The Way of Men (Donovan)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519502)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:35 PM
Author: french excitant field water buffalo

are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by a homo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519701)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:45 PM
Author: cowardly saffron institution

I’m not even sure which author you’re talking about, though I’m 99.99% sure that it’s not Moore or Galloway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519724)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:41 PM
Author: french excitant field water buffalo

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519873)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:48 PM
Author: Spectacular fanboi degenerate

he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers "androphile," a term he uses to describe romance and sex between masculine men

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Donovan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49528627)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:46 PM
Author: Glittery indian lodge striped hyena

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519898)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:28 PM
Author: cowardly saffron institution

No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a better idea of what it means to be a man and to experience the thrill, the triumph, of surviving impossible odds. Leadership, loyalty, discipline. And then they get home and are like, fuck it, sign me up for WWI’s trenches

My middle son needed a bit of coaching on perseverance, so we read this together and then did a HARD AS FUCK mountain bike camping trip in western NC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49520739)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: motley legend clown

James Bond novels

Conan (only read the flemming and howard originals though)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519505)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:39 PM
Author: 180 honey-headed house internal respiration

The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519535)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:51 PM
Author: motley legend clown

Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 or so) in a summer. all were 180. I tried reading the non-flemming but its not the same. They don't write novels like that anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519587)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: 180 honey-headed house internal respiration

Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new books to read.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519744)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: motley legend clown

1. Goldfinger

2. Moonraker

3. Casino Royale

4. From Russia With Love

5. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

the order changes based on mood but these five are in a tier above.

the rest are all solid. for example, Diamonds are Forever is my least favorite and that is still leagues better than any modern espionage novel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49522101)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:44 PM
Author: 180 honey-headed house internal respiration

tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49528612)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:46 PM
Author: Glittery indian lodge striped hyena

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519729)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:42 PM
Author: soul-stirring filthy church building

Anabasis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519542)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: french excitant field water buffalo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519572)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:43 PM
Author: talking orchestra pit

Flowers for Algernon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519548)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: french excitant field water buffalo

The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant

Man's Search for Meaning - Viktor Frankl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519568)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:55 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle plaza private investor

a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it. great series for boys who like knights, politics, and violence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519602)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:30 PM
Author: chestnut exciting public bath

Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in the series

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519689)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:36 PM
Author: bateful lay

Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?)

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

Dune

anything recent by Lawrence Millman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519705)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:37 PM
Author: french excitant field water buffalo

> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519706)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:01 PM
Author: Hyperventilating Garrison

read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class in hs. book was so so but class was 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519770)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:38 PM
Author: Glittery indian lodge striped hyena

zorba the greek



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519710)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:49 PM
Author: cowardly saffron institution



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:53 PM
Author: rambunctious center

Several good recs already upthread. Some others:

The Things They Carried

Mark Twain--starting with Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn

1984

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (and throw in The Hobbit)

Infinite Jest

Moby Dick

Blood Meridian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49519751)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:30 PM
Author: cowardly saffron institution

Cr. list

I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit overexposed to the hopelessly feminized librarian space for a time and was looked down upon as kind of trite. But it’s 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49520745)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:55 PM
Author: sable brunch

The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorite. You shouldn't look down on librarian recs. This is all they do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49520815)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:12 PM
Author: rambunctious center



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49521254)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: Spectacular fanboi degenerate

agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise caution with the second and third sentences just given that the values may not be stoic masculine warrior

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49530736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:09 PM
Author: Learning Disabled Casino Faggotry

Watership Down

A Day No Pigs Would Die

2nd Where the Red Fern Grows

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49520246)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: crystalline narrow-minded digit ratio kitty cat



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49520756)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:40 PM
Author: idiotic titillating feces

Starship Troopers

Enders Game

Johnny Tremain

Childhoods End

Rama



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2)#49520778)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:16 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac Hell

A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES

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