Has *anyone* on xo gotten a good referral from him? Just curious.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5788141&forum_id=2)#49362600)

ESL? which driver? some driver is at fault in every accident

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5788141&forum_id=2)#49362609)

ZZZ got a lot of very bad cases to deal with. The cases he got were already rejected by pumoshithead tp, kenny tp before ZZZ would get a shot at a file.

there is the occasional gold in the pile of dogshit though, we referred a case to Kenny TP which settled for $2.5 mil.

Kenny has someone turned his career into making millions off of mediocre cases, it is actually extremely impressive.

At this point in 2025, almost no one wants these level of cases anymore and almost nothing gets farmed out.

good easy cases almost never get farmed out. there is no reason to.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5788141&forum_id=2)#49362633)

what's changed and why?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5788141&forum_id=2)#49362634)

those are the type of cases we rarely take anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5788141&forum_id=2)#49362866)

take the dick out of your mouth and look at this objectively. either way, I was referred a case where the driver was at fault. that she was a raving fucking lunatic was added points.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5788141&forum_id=2)#49362714)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5788141&forum_id=2)#49362738)

2. I'm including phone time -- this bitch called everyday for at least an hour.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5788141&forum_id=2)#49362747)

u seem to lack client management skills

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5788141&forum_id=2)#49362752)

yet u seem to have not only this woman, but all these shitty other clients who hassle you and you do free work for

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5788141&forum_id=2)#49362774)

also, nearly everything I write has tremendous reach, so that probably helped make it seem more significant.

link to dozens?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5788141&forum_id=2)#49362798)

If you can't sell the old leads, you don't get the Glengarry leads.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5788141&forum_id=2)#49362730)

i considered this embarrassing page from your past closed. why you're reopening again now is beyond me. let it go.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5788141&forum_id=2)#49362741)

I've always been an antisemite.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5788141&forum_id=2)#49362750)

do you think people forget about you begging his wife for a crypto lawyer job?

again, i'm not trying to bring this shit up to embarrass you as i considered this behind you. there was a recent thread about you begging his wife for a job where i said the same thing: let it go. i thought you had moved on. apparently not. you should.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5788141&forum_id=2)#49362757)

let it go.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5788141&forum_id=2)#49362765)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5788141&forum_id=2)#49363286)

And what you mean he was unqualified, how could anyone be more qualified?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5788141&forum_id=2)#49363683)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5788141&forum_id=2)#49363826)

cslgs response seemed placating, but wtf was he supposed to do? say “sorry bro it's not for you i would have reached out directly if i thought it was”? placate him with “wow omg yes you're the perfect fit!”

its just like the referral shit where everyone is to blame except him. does he expect cslg to vet referrals before handing them off? he's not a paid lead generation service. that's literally tsinahs whole job lol. if cslg thought it was worth his time he wouldn't have referred it out in the first place!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5788141&forum_id=2)#49363912)

Date: October 17th, 2025 1:08 PM

Author: gujarattt free thread ((zurich is stained))

were you serious when you poasted recently that ZZZ was the worst lawyer you've ever come across?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787220&forum_id=2#49355785)

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Date: October 17th, 2025 1:19 PM

Author: calishitlawguru (Self Made UHNW)

Yes, and it's not even close. I basically handed him a ton of cases, connections, and mentorship and he still couldn't make it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787220&forum_id=2#49355807)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5788141&forum_id=2)#49363023)

The apts were largely section 8 units and the landlord was a complete slumlord with lone of the larger section 8 holdings in the country and ran all his properties the same.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5788141&forum_id=2)#49364284)

I really loved the graphic you put up of all the ESI received in the Leila Miyamoto-Workman case. That graphic made me feel like she was being stabbed over and over again just trying to feel better. It really resonated with me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5788141&forum_id=2)#49363302)

I work out everyday, I have 19 children with 14 women and two trans men. I am in shape, you have no excuses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5788141&forum_id=2)#49363303)

could it be he's broke and wants to blame someone?

no, definitely not that. everything is always someone else's fault.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5788141&forum_id=2)#49363288)

CSLG like all firms referring any level of volume primarily sends out complete shit. These cases take work but are profitable if you're willing to work them, litigate them, etc. However to be profitable you need to be efficient and you need a decent level of volume for it to all average out. Some times you'll take low settlements or "losses" on cases just to get them done, while others you'll settle for more than you ever thought. So in the end it averages out.

These cases are also great for developing PI skills, learning the business, dealing with (often shitty) clients, etc. AFter about 1.5 years I was completely free of new CSLG referrals but I wouldn't ever discount what a major role he played in helping me start my firm.

We now do well over 3 mil a year in settlements. Is that because of cases CSLG sent me? Of course not... But I did learn how to make money on pure shit which is essentially scale and volume and those lessons carried forward as I got better and better cases as the firm grew and developed.

Like Chandler said, it's our experience that no new lawyers starting PI practices want to work. They all see 30-50 million dollar verdict and assume those are normal. They have no concept on how to structure a case to get it there, how to effectively open a policy, or even manage the clients. I didn't either when I started, but I learned on shit cases with low risk, not 10 million dollar cases with someone on the other end who's catastrophically injured and counting on you. Also, its not like insurance companies are staffing those 10 million dollar cases with your typical dog shit insurance defense attorneys so you better know your medicine and know your basic lit strategy before going to town on those.

Because of the lessons learned on small cases I was able to open a number of policies between the 100k and 2 million range and secured settlements or verdicts in the 5-10 million range on these cases... Many were cases other firms passed on.

When we grew I directly looked for people who seemed young and hungry and willing to work to send cases too. In every case they would pass even on very good cases that just required some work. Some of these cases we stuck with and flipped liability or beat MSJ and then brought in major firms such as Brian Panish's firm or Rowley's firm and those cases are now positioned to be worth several millions of dollars. These were cases numerous newer attorneys passed on because they looked difficult... "Man... I like the case but I don't see how we can flip liability" on cases with an adverse police report but a favorable witness, or some other fact that made the police report unlikely. Instead of doing the minimum like looking at the cars, hiring an expert, pulling EDR data, they just passed immediately because the case was "too much work".

I've been seeing this more and more which isn't too dissimilar from the general work ethic I've seen in a lot of new lawyers which is somewhat poor. I can't really blame them as the path to success in America is pretty tough these days, but it's still doable if you're willing to grind.

I worked non stop for 6 years straight before getting extremely burned out but now my firm is in a position where I can take fairly large amounts of time off and the firm continues to make money. New lawyers routinely ask how I did it but there's really no secret other than hard work, people skills, and some hustle.

To blame the firm who was sending you cases for no reason other than to get them to someone who could make money on them and potentially get a referral fee is insane... No one forced you to take those cases. Did you ever try to reach out to other firms to increase the volume of PI referrals? Were you willing to take shit cases from other firms in exchange for volume?

I literally got away from CSLG by cold emailing firms, telling them we could handle their "shit cases" and demonstrating a track record of success. In exchange we became the go to referral firm for some of these larger firms, the cases improved, and we were able to handle such a quantity of volume that referrals from past clients alone became enough to sustain and even grow our practice.

EDIT: Adding that a lot of these firms post CSLG we were paying up to 50% referral fees on their shit cases simply in exchange for volume. I wouldn't say I made a ton on these cases but they enabled me to scale my firm at a speed and manner which would have never happened and the volume of cases created a situation where years later we now have a very healthy past client referral network. But that's hustling and it's hard and it's scary to take on hundreds of shit cases at 50% referral fees and hiring a fuckload of staff to handle it with no guarantee of success.

But there's no business without risk.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5788141&forum_id=2)#49364315)

This is true in every industry. There will always be people willing to work and always people doing the bare minimum. This is why outcomes are so disparate. You can have a guy like TSINAH who gets dealt a great hand and flops because he is unwilling to put in the work. But Kenny et alia can make millions off of dogshit leads. This is why the Glengarry leads are only for Closers!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5788141&forum_id=2)#49364333)

The less time you spend bullshit with a client, the more profitable the case becomes because you aren't wasting hrs for the same settlement you'll get barely talking to them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5788141&forum_id=2)#49364356)

99.9% of people who make it doing anything worthwhile have a story similar to pumoshithead. it requires admitting you don't know shit and made a ton of mistakes. without that no progress can be made. which is why every time one of them gets publicly pwned they blame someone else. candy ride's recent benchslap showed that. this is why spaceporn of all people has managed to grind out to being a success while they're still treading water.

their lack of diligence and work ethic is also pretty startling though. candy ride's constant written fuck ups in matters that were being scrutinized here was insane. i just cannot fathom it, and i tend to be a corner cutter myself sometimes. but i think this all grows out of their fatal flaw: hubris. they think they're already great and so they don't have exhibit even basic competence. not when they can just blame it on a jealous judge or bad referral to dodge any personal accountability.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5788141&forum_id=2)#49364372)

you are right re work ethic. i've noticed this, particularly after i left biglaw (i noticed a change in biglaw associates, but even at their worst they know it's a bit sweatshoppy). the associate i primarily work with is like 36, 37 and her outside of biglaw (i am in midlaw now), i've noticed a marked change in the associate work ethic. and like you said, i don't blame them. firms have made it so hard to make partner that they probably figure why fucking bother.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5788141&forum_id=2)#49364503)