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Rabbi Had Me Talk To Prospective Cardozo 0L (at Sticker). CRUSHED His Dreams.
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:25 PM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret at shabbat, a rabbi told this kid with a stem phd to come talk to me about ip law.
he's considering enrolling in cardozo at sticker in the fall. i asked if his parents were helping, and he said nope, and he'd have to take out full loans for it.
then i proceeded to give him xo scholarship on TTTs being a scam with bullshit employment data, whittier closing down, etc. told him he'll be 200k in debt and may never make that money back.
he said no lawyer he talked to ever told him any of this before. jfc are other lawyers not saying anything of this shit to him? how fucking irresponsible.
he seemed to think he'd be okay with a patent bar number. i told him that means you MIGHT get a medium-paying job doing patent prosecution, not that you'll get biglaw ip.
i told him to get into a patent agent program and have them pay for law school, or just stay a patent agent. and see if he likes it.
pddj said i literally crushed his life dreams. i couldnt tell bc im low eq but she said he seemed like he was about to cry. |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:28 PM Author: swashbuckling orchid sanctuary you're doing G-d's work (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#33205915) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:36 PM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret it's a double mitzvah on shabbat! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#33205988) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 6:43 PM Author: nudist aphrodisiac new version (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#33207429) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:28 PM Author: Histrionic Half-breed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#35509848) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 11:21 PM Author: very tactful milky university kitty cat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#33209547) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:25 PM Author: nudist aphrodisiac new version (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#35509835) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 11:25 PM Author: Bespoke Twinkling Uncleanness Volcanic Crater "i told him to get into a patent agent program and have them pay for law school, or just stay a patent agent. and see if he likes it."
This makes a lot of sense. If he still wants to do it after learning a bit more (and potentially getting someone else to pay for it), godspeed. |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 2:16 PM Author: Puce internal respiration This guy has a STEM phd and the best he could get into was fucking Cardozo? What was the STEM field, biology? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#34011837) |
Date: May 1st, 2017 3:29 PM Author: copper duck-like mediation boiling water I routinely get asked to speak to college juniors and seniors who are thinking about law school. I always try to discourage them by having the same sort of frank conversation you describe.
I am invariably the first one to go through the cost-benefit analysis with them.
Nearly every damn one of them has gone on to law school anyway, including several to TTTs and FTTs. |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:34 PM Author: underhanded party of the first part mad cow disease Thhe highest lsat scorers are not going to law school as much...dumbs are still going. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#33205965) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:36 PM Author: copper duck-like mediation boiling water In an odd twist, that means that some who should not have gone to law school in the past because all they could muster would be a school in the 20-30 range are getting into decent programs, which might make it worth it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#33205991) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:13 AM Author: blue irradiated range weed whacker Weirder, it's often the slightly dumber kids who are best suited for BigLaw and make partner. Just so long as they keep around one or two super nerds they'll be fine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#34010313) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:16 AM Author: Maroon soul-stirring plaza cumskin "decent programs" are not what make law school worth it. Cost is the determining factor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#34010339) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:38 PM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret cr. this kid isnt the first one i've had this frank convo with. usually they're just not about to put a deposit now.
but in any event, they literally never listen. retarded decisionmaking correlates to poor lsat scores. |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:29 PM Author: Odious hospital pocket flask That is such a good thing to have done I can't believe DBG actually did it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#33205927) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:35 PM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret tbf i run xo law-school-is-a-scam scholarship on every prospective i meet. this is the first time i've ran it on a 0L deciding what to do in april/may who was sent by a rabbi to talk to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#33205980) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:32 PM Author: passionate persian pozpig You did a good thing even if you are autistic about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#33205939) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 6:40 PM Author: Dun comical affirmative action orchestra pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#33207404) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:35 PM Author: underhanded party of the first part mad cow disease Where was his phd from? How does a phd stem fail the lsat that bad? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#33205969) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:39 PM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret cq
seems to be a top 10-25 stem program in his field.
the funny thing is he has options, unlike a fucking poli sci shithead. wtf is he thinking?
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:40 PM Author: underhanded party of the first part mad cow disease Big diff between top 10 and top 25..like huge difference
By stem, i hope he doesnt mean biology...ljl |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:41 PM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret he got a postdoc offer at a directional state u. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#33206040) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:46 PM Author: underhanded party of the first part mad cow disease Post doc isnt that impressive for stem. Tenurenjobs are where it is at. But still why the fuck is he going to law achool, esp since he bombed the lsat? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#33206071) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:55 PM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret cq. pddj thinks has to be retarded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#33206152) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:35 PM Author: Buff metal rigpig "good Shabbos" *DBJ expressionless getting up from seat near tearful jewdood* |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:36 PM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#33205986) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 1:32 PM Author: Buff metal rigpig I remember my poa being MUCH better when I was gakked Lol |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 3:02 PM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#37009445) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:57 PM Author: Misanthropic Potus Theatre Israel should plant a tree in your honor. You basically saved a Jew's life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#33206167) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 4:01 PM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#33206197) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 11:22 PM Author: very tactful milky university kitty cat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#33209554) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 4:41 PM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret oh even the rabbi told me afterwards that i did the right thing. he said if someone solicits advice from you, you have to tell them your opinion and i have a basis for my opinion as an experienced lawyer.
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Date: May 1st, 2017 10:56 PM Author: Pearl multi-colored market sandwich cr, unless the person is a goy, in which case deception and trickery is the preferred approach. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#33209365) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 11:22 PM Author: very tactful milky university kitty cat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#33209557) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2017 2:02 AM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#33210406) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:22 PM Author: Sexy stage goal in life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#35509816) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 5:42 PM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret oh yeah, he was convinced that he could lateral into a biglaw job even if he didnt get biglaw right off the bat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#33206995) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 6:35 PM Author: Buff metal rigpig moar like lateral from his debt to suicidal ideation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#33207378) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 6:40 PM Author: Dun comical affirmative action orchestra pit lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#33207403) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2017 11:14 AM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#33211536) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 6:41 PM Author: Dun comical affirmative action orchestra pit good on you, you probably saved this guy's life why isn't he working in STEM? STEM phd is ez money |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 10:51 PM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#33209308) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 10:52 PM Author: Domesticated piazza OP is a hero (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#33209318) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 10:55 PM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret tyty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#33209348) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 1:45 AM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret UPDATE: this fucker just began LS. in 4 yrs he'll be wishing he listened to me
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:10 AM Author: Insecure Zippy Native Tattoo ljl
you did what you could, and why can't he get in to a T14 with a decent STEM PhD? |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:11 AM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret maybe he's not that smart? maybe he didnt realize he needed to grind thru the 20 LSAT practice tests to get a 165 if he's stupid enough to go to cardozo? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#34010289) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:15 AM Author: Insecure Zippy Native Tattoo if he is getting in to a good STEM PhD he is acing the GRE and a fortiori acing the LSAT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#34010337) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:18 AM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret maybe he has weaker verbal / RC skills. alternatively, smart people sometimes are out of practice doing LSAT type shit if they're in stem. i know xo likes to think of the lsat as an intelligence test, but two similarly IQ people -- one who has been doing equations for 4 yrs, and the other who has been deconstructing arguments on xo for 4 yrs -- are gonna have diff LSAT results. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#34010360) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:22 AM Author: Insecure Zippy Native Tattoo I'll buy that
as far as pure IQ tests go, GRE is closer than LSAT I'm sure, but that opens the door to a high IQ guy relatively bombing LSAT
I suppose he is avoiding post doc purgatory too, which isn't irrational |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:25 AM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret yesh, avoiding post doc purgatory makes sense. but why not get an industry job? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#34010423) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:33 AM Author: Insecure Zippy Native Tattoo agreed, terrible decision is a parent a lawyer? |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 2:06 PM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret nope. if parent were a lawyer, he'd tell the guy not to go (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#34011757) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:02 AM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#34010209) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:06 AM Author: wild ticket booth striped hyena Stem phd probably cops an IP jerb hth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#34010238) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:10 AM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret not necessarily biglaw ip. might be a 80k patent prox gig at some small firm when he's 200k in the hole. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#34010274) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:18 AM Author: wild ticket booth striped hyena nah he's good for biglaw IP if the PhD is in a desirable field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#34010359) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:21 AM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret unless he has good grades, he's still got to have some luck to end up at a SHITTY biglaw place.
and then what? there's still ONE | WRONG | MOVE and he could be shitcanned from ipbiglaw. or economy could downturn and he could be latham'd.
and what's the exit option? in-house ip gigs are still fucking hard to come by. so 150k in-house if all the stars align.
and he's still got the debt. the point is he should have stayed in stem. |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:31 AM Author: wild ticket booth striped hyena nah incorrect.
NYC law school + hard STEM PhD cops IP biglaw man |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:33 AM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret not guaranteed. and not in a recession (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#34010532) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 2:09 PM Author: wild ticket booth striped hyena Sorry about your polisci shit degree (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#34011787) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 2:11 PM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret i'm a stembro / biglawyer who does some ip (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#34011801) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:08 AM Author: massive sable sneaky criminal field Going to lolschool without an in of some kind (HYS, wealthy folks, instate while living at home) is like playing musical chairs. When the music stops some people will have a place to sit, and some won't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#34010264) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:12 AM Author: blue irradiated range weed whacker During the height of ITE, I was talking to a guy on his way to a true TTT after I noticed him studying for the LSAT in a bar. I told him that he shouldn't go and his argument that he should was that his friend (who went to a T14) was being paid $80k to not even work for a year. They're not worth saving. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#34010290) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:16 AM Author: Insecure Zippy Native Tattoo jfc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#34010340) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:13 AM Author: Adventurous Bonkers Step-uncle's House Corn Cake My boss went to Dozo after 12 years as a marine. Alpha mother fucker and a major hard ass. As a bank MD he makes north of 300k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#34010307) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:14 AM Author: blue irradiated range weed whacker That was when tuition was half today and that means he was on the GI Bill. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#34010323) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:15 AM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#34010329) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:16 AM Author: Insecure Zippy Native Tattoo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#34010343) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:27 AM Author: titillating ivory lay codepig I'd bet that his success had more to do with being an alpha mother fucker/major hard ass and having the right rabbi. That's how it is at my place, got to have the right godfather/rabbi. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#34010449) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:29 AM Author: Flatulent Slippery Spot Community Account Wow a hardass 45 year old marine earning what a 30 year old big law drone earns in the most expensive city in the country. Sign me up!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#34010474) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:34 AM Author: wild ticket booth striped hyena 300k for a bank MD is absolute shit.
don't you work in compliance b/c you couldn't even cop ANY firm jerb out of TTTulane? |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:17 AM Author: titillating ivory lay codepig Damn. lol. He's in for a world of pain when he can't find a job and is looking at the doc review world. Isn't there a forum where doc reviewers post? You should have sent him there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#34010356) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:22 AM Author: Cream fortuitous meteor I think you guys don't understand the calculus for many people $160K seems like a fuckton of money and they'll chance it and can't imagine all the expenses and bullshit that comes with it... I usually burst lawyer dreams by asking my students whether they love grammar and sentence construction and they never do and then I say well lawyering is all about split infinitives and comma placement (this usually comes during an office hours discussion while their paper lies before them bleeding) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#34010403) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:27 AM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret that calculus is more understandable for some 21 yo retarded poli sci shithead.
a 26-27yo stem phd should be able to understand the flaw when it is explained to him. |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:23 AM Author: Curious ultramarine police squad trailer park you could tell him to go for one yr and drop out if not in top of class (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#34010404) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:24 AM Author: Insecure Zippy Native Tattoo this is not an insane suggestion (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#34010421) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:28 AM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret this idiot obviously doesnt get the concept that he has to be in the top of the class. he's not gonna listen to that either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#34010469) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:31 AM Author: Mind-boggling Nowag Biglaw score isn't bad at 20%
https://www.lstreports.com/schools/cardozo/
Just make sure you finish in top quarter and you have a shot. Law review is probably a near lock as long as you bid intell |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:34 AM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret 80% wont finish in the top 20%.
50/50 chance |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 2:13 PM Author: Poppy Yapping Partner Legend I'm worse, I got in on my lawl school's prospective students alumni interviews and I tell every single one to run far far away. As far as I know, not a single one has listened. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#34011812) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:20 PM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#35509805) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:29 PM Author: Rebellious Toilet Seat How were his first semester grades? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#35509854) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:38 PM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret dunno. curious to see what summer job he ends up with as a 2l (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#35509901) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 1:30 PM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret Update: ran into him. He got a 2L summer gig at a well known up boutique. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#37008679) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 1:33 PM Author: salmon greedy lodge inshallah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#37008698) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 1:33 PM Author: Mauve Bawdyhouse Debt? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#37008702) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 2:12 PM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret Full debt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#37009063) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 2:55 PM Author: Mauve Bawdyhouse Rich parents, or copping dat paye? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#37009412) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 3:03 PM Author: Vigorous jet-lagged regret i guess he thinks he's gonna maek it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#37009447) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 10:22 PM Author: i gave my cousin head (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2)#49210207) |