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PSA: Jones Day is ranked 15 by Vault and doesn't pay lockstep

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.
domesticated kitty cat
  06/15/18
“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”
claret hospital place of business
  06/15/18
As I understand it.
Titillating pale business firm deer antler
  06/15/18
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black odious tanning salon sandwich
  06/15/18
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black odious tanning salon sandwich
  02/12/22
they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. th...
jet startling kitchen fortuitous meteor
  06/15/18
oh we got a legal expert here
Blue provocative idea he suggested
  10/06/21
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domesticated kitty cat
  02/12/22
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Echoes of Wisdom
  08/12/25
they have no debt as I understand it
Supple keepsake machete resort
  06/15/18
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black odious tanning salon sandwich
  06/15/18
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Tripping exciting water buffalo
  06/15/18
260k is a huge salary
Supple keepsake machete resort
  06/15/18
goes a long way in shaker heights
mischievous trump supporter toilet seat
  06/15/18
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sapphire irate stag film candlestick maker
  06/15/18
Cr. Thats city janitor money
black odious tanning salon sandwich
  06/15/18
Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal ...
Territorial factory reset button
  06/15/18
How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 ...
startled brilliant school cafeteria mental disorder
  02/12/21
It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your cha...
boyish mad-dog skullcap alpha
  06/15/18
they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live ...
jet startling kitchen fortuitous meteor
  06/15/18
sounds 180
Supple keepsake machete resort
  06/15/18
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sapphire irate stag film candlestick maker
  06/15/18
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Tripping exciting water buffalo
  06/15/18
https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/myst...
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black odious tanning salon sandwich
  06/15/18
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Titillating pale business firm deer antler
  06/15/18
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Tripping exciting water buffalo
  06/15/18
https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1
Tripping exciting water buffalo
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boyish mad-dog skullcap alpha
  06/15/18
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Swashbuckling cruel-hearted halford
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Tripping exciting water buffalo
  02/15/21
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Swashbuckling cruel-hearted halford
  10/06/21
is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 intera...
domesticated kitty cat
  10/06/21
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domesticated kitty cat
  01/18/25
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I hate being a lawyer and want to die
  08/12/25
omg 260k where do they get off
galvanic orange fanboi area
  06/15/18
For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t ...
domesticated kitty cat
  06/15/18
p depressing news going into the weekend
charismatic topaz house telephone
  06/15/18
Eat my dick nigger lover
domesticated kitty cat
  06/15/18
your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire...
charismatic topaz house telephone
  06/15/18
Explain
domesticated kitty cat
  06/15/18
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domesticated kitty cat
  06/16/18
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domesticated kitty cat
  09/04/18
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Swashbuckling cruel-hearted halford
  06/16/18
yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put...
stirring property depressive
  06/15/18
To be fair, *Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends
Rose cocky range
  06/15/18
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domesticated kitty cat
  02/12/21
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racy theater
  02/12/21
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Tripping exciting water buffalo
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domesticated kitty cat
  10/14/21
I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.
Buck-toothed preventive strike police squad
  02/12/21
holy shit out the firm
aggressive clear point
  02/12/21
or at least give us vault range. that is really low.
domesticated kitty cat
  02/12/21
Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.
thirsty excitant locus
  02/12/21
it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression a...
domesticated kitty cat
  02/12/21
That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cr...
thirsty excitant locus
  02/12/21
i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.
domesticated kitty cat
  02/15/21
They systematically overpay top performers though. If you'r...
Metal razzmatazz cuckold
  02/12/21
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racy theater
  02/12/21
No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an...
Buck-toothed preventive strike police squad
  02/12/21
Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they ca...
Metal razzmatazz cuckold
  02/12/21
Better partnership odds
curious roast beef codepig
  02/12/21
That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner ...
Metal razzmatazz cuckold
  02/12/21
Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except f...
curious roast beef codepig
  02/12/21
(Stevie Brogan)
aggressive clear point
  02/12/21
lol no
walnut school associate
  02/12/21
how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Clevel...
Cerebral Silver Stage
  02/15/21
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domesticated kitty cat
  06/29/21
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domesticated kitty cat
  10/06/21
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Grizzly liquid oxygen love of her life
  10/06/21
that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.
misunderstood locale
  10/06/21
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domesticated kitty cat
  02/12/22


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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: domesticated kitty cat

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36252934)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: claret hospital place of business

“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36252952)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:33 PM
Author: Titillating pale business firm deer antler

As I understand it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36253562)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:37 PM
Author: black odious tanning salon sandwich



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:55 AM
Author: black odious tanning salon sandwich



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: jet startling kitchen fortuitous meteor

they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. the high ranking is from their NY and DC specialty practices, which didn't arrive until the 80s. they lost their entire DC office when it broke off to form crowell & moring

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36252972)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:10 PM
Author: Blue provocative idea he suggested

oh we got a legal expert here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#43231415)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:41 AM
Author: domesticated kitty cat



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:15 PM
Author: Echoes of Wisdom ((zurich is stained))



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Supple keepsake machete resort

they have no debt as I understand it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36252979)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: black odious tanning salon sandwich



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: Tripping exciting water buffalo



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: Supple keepsake machete resort

260k is a huge salary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36252984)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: mischievous trump supporter toilet seat

goes a long way in shaker heights

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36252989)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:41 PM
Author: sapphire irate stag film candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36253024)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: black odious tanning salon sandwich

Cr. Thats city janitor money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36253068)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Territorial factory reset button

Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal profession will always have a massive oversupply problem unless major changes are made.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36252986)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:14 PM
Author: startled brilliant school cafeteria mental disorder

How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 firms are all competing over the same band of graduates and to a lesser extent laterals. There's an oversupply of lawyers in the country but there isn't an oversupply of Class of 2017 Stanford Law graduates willing to do debt financing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41935785)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: boyish mad-dog skullcap alpha

It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your chances of making a career of it v. maximizing your earnings. That's always been my impression, although maybe incorrect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36252995)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: jet startling kitchen fortuitous meteor

they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live in the midwest making six figures as basically a career of counsel, it might work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36253002)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Supple keepsake machete resort

sounds 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36253004)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:42 PM
Author: sapphire irate stag film candlestick maker



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: Tripping exciting water buffalo



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: histrionic geriatric dingle berry

https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/mysterybox.png

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: black odious tanning salon sandwich



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: Titillating pale business firm deer antler



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: Tripping exciting water buffalo



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: Tripping exciting water buffalo

https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: boyish mad-dog skullcap alpha



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:46 PM
Author: Swashbuckling cruel-hearted halford



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: Tripping exciting water buffalo



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:12 PM
Author: Swashbuckling cruel-hearted halford



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: domesticated kitty cat

is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 interacts with 7.2" guy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#43231447)



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Date: January 18th, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: domesticated kitty cat



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:32 PM
Author: I hate being a lawyer and want to die



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#49178251)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: galvanic orange fanboi area

omg 260k where do they get off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36253074)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: domesticated kitty cat

For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t pay lockstep and was making 260k when I made partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36253521)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:28 PM
Author: charismatic topaz house telephone

p depressing news going into the weekend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36253537)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:15 PM
Author: domesticated kitty cat

Eat my dick nigger lover

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36253786)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: charismatic topaz house telephone

your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire du jour

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36254215)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: domesticated kitty cat

Explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36254517)



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Date: June 16th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: domesticated kitty cat



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Date: September 4th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: domesticated kitty cat



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Date: June 16th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: Swashbuckling cruel-hearted halford



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:28 PM
Author: stirring property depressive

yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put in some time and then afterwards you basically write your own ticket

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36253827)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: Rose cocky range

To be fair,

*Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#36254339)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:22 PM
Author: domesticated kitty cat



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41933386)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:21 PM
Author: racy theater



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: Tripping exciting water buffalo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41949789)



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Date: October 14th, 2021 1:53 PM
Author: domesticated kitty cat



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:36 PM
Author: Buck-toothed preventive strike police squad

I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41933507)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:37 PM
Author: aggressive clear point

holy shit

out the firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41933521)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:15 PM
Author: domesticated kitty cat

or at least give us vault range. that is really low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41933783)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:22 PM
Author: thirsty excitant locus

Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41933832)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: domesticated kitty cat

it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression at firms that don't pay lockstep (like mine). I think when i made partner biglaw was at 180 or 190 for first years. i was making 260 when i was put up. my firm always matches the market salary for first years but does nothing for anyone year 2 and beyond.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41933852)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:27 PM
Author: thirsty excitant locus

That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cravath scale but it’s been a while since I’ve seen the list

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41933882)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:02 PM
Author: domesticated kitty cat

i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41949761)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: Metal razzmatazz cuckold

They systematically overpay top performers though. If you're a 6th year doing 2400+ hours and unhappy with your pay and you're good, you could walk across the street to any other firm that does lockstep. But now you make the same as their worst sixth year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41933851)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:39 PM
Author: racy theater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41933950)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:10 PM
Author: Buck-toothed preventive strike police squad

No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an associate of the same year at a lockstep firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41935758)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:57 PM
Author: Metal razzmatazz cuckold

Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they can go to another firm tomorrow and get more money?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41935989)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:00 PM
Author: curious roast beef codepig

Better partnership odds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41935999)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:04 PM
Author: Metal razzmatazz cuckold

That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner classes, but it's a longer track too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41936016)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:10 PM
Author: curious roast beef codepig

Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except for places where no one makes partner (Cravath, S&C, etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41936043)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:15 PM
Author: aggressive clear point

(Stevie Brogan)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41935792)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:22 PM
Author: walnut school associate

lol no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41935828)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:12 PM
Author: Cerebral Silver Stage

how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Cleveland? the Shaker Heights trolling has got me curious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#41949811)



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Date: June 29th, 2021 8:18 AM
Author: domesticated kitty cat



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#42703414)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:07 PM
Author: domesticated kitty cat



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:15 PM
Author: Grizzly liquid oxygen love of her life



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#43231440)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: misunderstood locale

that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2)#43231452)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:43 AM
Author: domesticated kitty cat



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