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Founding Fathers by Clique

George Washington — Prep/Jock Alexander Hamilton &mda...
Spruce Overrated Set Telephone
  12/22/25
I really like it here
bull headed nowag house
  12/22/25
Were there any notable scumbags during the Revolution?
Maize federal new version rigor
  12/22/25
Francis Marion was a High Loser who commanded an irregular a...
Spruce Overrated Set Telephone
  12/23/25
Washington is the greatest prep/jock in world history
Lavender mind-boggling rehab
  12/22/25
In a 1807 letter to Benjamin Rush, Adams listed Washington&r...
Spruce Overrated Set Telephone
  12/23/25
Aaron Burr called Washington an idiot who couldn't "spe...
Vivacious frum quadroon theater stage
  12/23/25
yup dumb people lead thousands of men to upset victories ove...
Lavender mind-boggling rehab
  12/23/25
plenty of high iq commanders (eg burr, hamilton, von steuben...
Vivacious frum quadroon theater stage
  12/23/25
not saying he had a high iq. he was far too socially aware -...
Lavender mind-boggling rehab
  12/23/25
The fun part is discussing the rage he brings out in Losers....
Spruce Overrated Set Telephone
  12/23/25
far outweighed by his enormous accomplishments - of which we...
Lavender mind-boggling rehab
  12/23/25
Paine’s published “Letter to George Washington&r...
Spruce Overrated Set Telephone
  12/23/25
nobody liked paine, including paine. he was a beligerant ass...
Lavender mind-boggling rehab
  12/23/25
He basically was one of the people who kicked the whole thin...
Spruce Overrated Set Telephone
  12/23/25
no scumbags?
cyan slimy knife
  12/23/25
...
Spruce Overrated Set Telephone
  12/23/25
James Madison wrote the Constitution. He is obviously a Lose...
Nubile Concupiscible Pozpig Business Firm
  12/23/25
James Madison was born into wealth, land, and inherited auth...
Spruce Overrated Set Telephone
  12/23/25
He is best known for writing a legal document. He is a Loser...
Nubile Concupiscible Pozpig Business Firm
  12/23/25
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Turquoise magical bawdyhouse factory reset button
  12/23/25
He was a Nerd and also basically a High Loser
Spruce Overrated Set Telephone
  12/23/25
you really have to give up your clique expert card. really o...
brass low-t theatre
  12/23/25
He wasn’t a Jock at all iirc
Spruce Overrated Set Telephone
  12/23/25
george mason was a bit of an odd fellow apparently - I&rsquo...
sepia boistinker
  12/23/25


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Date: December 22nd, 2025 10:10 PM
Author: Spruce Overrated Set Telephone

George Washington — Prep/Jock

Alexander Hamilton — Loser

James Madison — Prep

Gouverneur Morris — Prep

James Wilson — Loser

John Jay — Prep

Thomas Jefferson — Prep

John Adams — Loser

Benjamin Franklin — Nerd

Samuel Adams — Loser

Patrick Henry — Loser

Thomas Paine — Low Loser

Nathanael Greene — Loser

Henry Knox — Nerd

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Date: December 22nd, 2025 10:21 PM
Author: bull headed nowag house

I really like it here

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Date: December 22nd, 2025 10:24 PM
Author: Maize federal new version rigor

Were there any notable scumbags during the Revolution?

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Date: December 23rd, 2025 8:30 AM
Author: Spruce Overrated Set Telephone

Francis Marion was a High Loser who commanded an irregular army of Scumbags. Marion’s men were not produced by the Revolution, they were exposed by it. Clique Theory orthodoxy holds that Scumbags exist prior to ideology and become operational when hierarchy loosens, and the Carolina swamps functioned as a solvent that stripped away residual restraint. These were bodies already trained by deprivation, dampness, and casual violence, for whom liberty was not an idea but a temporary suspension of consequence. Scumbags do not metabolize abstraction, they respond to permission, grievance, and proximity to force. The swamp rewarded endurance, disappearance, and predation while dissolving discipline, paperwork, and permanence. Marion did not reform this material, orthodoxy forbids reform, he merely vectored it outward through scarcity, silence, and selective tolerance. Violence was not condemned, it was aimed. The effectiveness of the force derived from its incompatibility with institutions. When the republic congealed into law, property, and legibility, these bodies became excess matter. History then performed sanitation, recoding Scumbags as rustic patriots, preserving the myth while erasing the mechanism.

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Date: December 22nd, 2025 10:36 PM
Author: Lavender mind-boggling rehab

Washington is the greatest prep/jock in world history

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Date: December 23rd, 2025 8:18 AM
Author: Spruce Overrated Set Telephone

In a 1807 letter to Benjamin Rush, Adams listed Washington’s “talents” in a way that is clearly sarcastic about what made him admired: focusing on looks, height, and fortune rather than intellect or learning:

Adams described Washington’s qualities as including a “handsome Face,” a “tall Stature,” “elegant Form,” and “graceful Attitudes and Movement,” then concluded without mentioning reading, thinking, or writing — implicitly mocking the idea that Washington’s greatness came from intellect.



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Date: December 23rd, 2025 11:31 AM
Author: Vivacious frum quadroon theater stage

Aaron Burr called Washington an idiot who couldn't "spell a sentence of common english"

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Date: December 23rd, 2025 11:45 AM
Author: Lavender mind-boggling rehab

yup dumb people lead thousands of men to upset victories over the worlds greatest army and then create a presidency from scratch all the time...

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Date: December 23rd, 2025 11:49 AM
Author: Vivacious frum quadroon theater stage

plenty of high iq commanders (eg burr, hamilton, von steuben). Washington just wasn't one of them

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Date: December 23rd, 2025 11:54 AM
Author: Lavender mind-boggling rehab

not saying he had a high iq. he was far too socially aware - people that smooth rarely break 120. but to say he was an idiot or lacked intellect is silly and speaks more about the insecurities Washington brought out in others than of Washington.

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Date: December 23rd, 2025 4:57 PM
Author: Spruce Overrated Set Telephone

The fun part is discussing the rage he brings out in Losers. But with that said you should consider his many Blunders:

Fort Necessity (1754): Surrendered a poorly sited fort.

Jumonville Affair: Helped ignite a global war through rash action.

Misreading French intentions (1754): Diplomatic naiveté.

Braddock Campaign: Failed to adapt to frontier warfare early.

Overconfidence in militia: Repeatedly disappointed.

Long Island (1776): Allowed himself to be badly outflanked.

Failure to fortify Brooklyn Heights adequately.

Loss of New York City: Strategically catastrophic.

Harlem Heights pursuit: Nearly overextended after success.

White Plains indecision.

Fort Washington: Refused evacuation; lost 3,000 men.

Fort Lee abandonment: Supplies lost.

New Jersey retreat mismanagement.

Reliance on short-term enlistments.

Poor intelligence networks early war.

Quebec campaign support (indirect).

Over-centralized command style.

Valley Forge logistics failures.

Monmouth command confusion.

Charles Lee tolerance too long.

Rhode Island campaign (1778): Failed Franco-American coordination.

Staten Island raid failures.

West Point security lapse (Arnold affair).

Southern strategy delays.

Overtrust in some political generals.

Slow adoption of guerrilla methods.

Poor cavalry integration early.

Supply system corruption tolerance.

Underestimating British naval mobility.

Dependence on French intervention for decisive victory.

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Date: December 23rd, 2025 7:20 PM
Author: Lavender mind-boggling rehab

far outweighed by his enormous accomplishments - of which we owe our very existence. He is the greatest man ever.

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Date: December 23rd, 2025 11:06 AM
Author: Spruce Overrated Set Telephone

Paine’s published “Letter to George Washington” of 1796:

You knew enough of my character to be assured that I could not have deserved imprisonment in France, and without knowing anything more than this you had sufficient ground to have taken some interest for my safety.

Every motive arising from recollection of times past ought to have suggested to you the propriety of such a measure.

But I cannot find that you have so much as directed any enquiry to be made whether I was in prison or at liberty, dead or alive…

In the progress of events you beheld yourself a President in America and me a prisoner in France. You folded your arms, forgot your friend, and became silent.

…you have not served America with more disinterestedness, or greater zeal, or more fidelity, than myself…

…you rested at home to partake of the advantages.

As everything I have been doing in Europe was connected with my wishes for the prosperity of America, I ought to be the more surprised at this conduct…

…the presence of a man who might disapprove, and who had credit enough with the Country to be heard and believed, was not wished for…

This was the operating motive…

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Date: December 23rd, 2025 11:43 AM
Author: Lavender mind-boggling rehab

nobody liked paine, including paine. he was a beligerant asshole through and through. Any slander by him is a compliment.

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Date: December 23rd, 2025 6:00 PM
Author: Spruce Overrated Set Telephone

He basically was one of the people who kicked the whole thing off iirc

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Date: December 23rd, 2025 8:25 AM
Author: cyan slimy knife

no scumbags?

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Date: December 23rd, 2025 10:25 AM
Author: Spruce Overrated Set Telephone



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Date: December 23rd, 2025 11:07 AM
Author: Nubile Concupiscible Pozpig Business Firm

James Madison wrote the Constitution. He is obviously a Loser.

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Date: December 23rd, 2025 11:26 AM
Author: Spruce Overrated Set Telephone

James Madison was born into wealth, land, and inherited authority, a Prep calibrated before thought. Clique Theory reads this clearly: pedigree, property, and social networks are primary signals, not adornments. He did not hustle for prestige, pen letters to insist on virtue, or plead for recognition. He moved within elite structures preordained to receive him, drafting the Constitution, engineering compromise, and writing the Federalist Papers with quiet authority. Compare this to John Adams, a man of modest birth, constantly performing, anxious to claim his station, forever trying to assert relevance; the archetypal Loser energy. Madison’s power was structural, inherited, and effortlessly exercised, Adams’s was scrabbling, visible, and contingent. Whereas Adams wrote, argued, and campaigned for recognition, Madison built the framework upon which republics operate, invisible yet indispensable. In Clique Theory terms, wealth and pedigree convert Madison’s Prep energy into permanent influence; he did not need to try, and history rewarded him accordingly imho.

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Date: December 23rd, 2025 12:12 PM
Author: Nubile Concupiscible Pozpig Business Firm

He is best known for writing a legal document. He is a Loser.

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Date: December 23rd, 2025 11:54 AM
Author: Turquoise magical bawdyhouse factory reset button



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Date: December 23rd, 2025 6:01 PM
Author: Spruce Overrated Set Telephone

He was a Nerd and also basically a High Loser

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Date: December 23rd, 2025 6:03 PM
Author: brass low-t theatre

you really have to give up your clique expert card. really only preps and losers in your assessment. and how ben franklin isn't a jockgineer is beyond me.

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Date: December 23rd, 2025 6:18 PM
Author: Spruce Overrated Set Telephone

He wasn’t a Jock at all iirc

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Date: December 23rd, 2025 6:27 PM
Author: sepia boistinker

george mason was a bit of an odd fellow apparently - I’ll bet he’d be in the drama club group

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