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PSA: Jones Day is ranked 15 by Vault and doesn't pay lockstep

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.
lilac aromatic principal's office
  06/15/18
“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”
maize fluffy home
  06/15/18
As I understand it.
navy submissive plaza shitlib
  06/15/18
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Azure free-loading rigpig
  06/15/18
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Azure free-loading rigpig
  02/12/22
they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. th...
stubborn crackhouse milk
  06/15/18
oh we got a legal expert here
beta site mediation
  10/06/21
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lilac aromatic principal's office
  02/12/22
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Echoes of Wisdom
  08/12/25
they have no debt as I understand it
Histrionic theater stage kitty cat
  06/15/18
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Azure free-loading rigpig
  06/15/18
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Arousing theatre
  06/15/18
260k is a huge salary
Histrionic theater stage kitty cat
  06/15/18
goes a long way in shaker heights
Swashbuckling idiot
  06/15/18
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Cerebral Ladyboy Tanning Salon
  06/15/18
Cr. Thats city janitor money
Azure free-loading rigpig
  06/15/18
Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal ...
ruddy insanely creepy box office idea he suggested
  06/15/18
How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 ...
Appetizing Hell Ape
  02/12/21
It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your cha...
Effete self-centered generalized bond point
  06/15/18
they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live ...
stubborn crackhouse milk
  06/15/18
sounds 180
Histrionic theater stage kitty cat
  06/15/18
...
Cerebral Ladyboy Tanning Salon
  06/15/18
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Arousing theatre
  06/15/18
https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/myst...
diverse unholy market
  06/15/18
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Azure free-loading rigpig
  06/15/18
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navy submissive plaza shitlib
  06/15/18
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Arousing theatre
  06/15/18
https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1
Arousing theatre
  06/15/18
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Effete self-centered generalized bond point
  06/15/18
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Carnelian Nighttime Stain Therapy
  06/15/18
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Arousing theatre
  02/15/21
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Carnelian Nighttime Stain Therapy
  10/06/21
is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 intera...
lilac aromatic principal's office
  10/06/21
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lilac aromatic principal's office
  01/18/25
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I hate being a lawyer and want to die
  08/12/25
omg 260k where do they get off
Galvanic avocado preventive strike
  06/15/18
For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t ...
lilac aromatic principal's office
  06/15/18
p depressing news going into the weekend
Very tactful slimy wagecucks regret
  06/15/18
Eat my dick nigger lover
lilac aromatic principal's office
  06/15/18
your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire...
Very tactful slimy wagecucks regret
  06/15/18
Explain
lilac aromatic principal's office
  06/15/18
...
lilac aromatic principal's office
  06/16/18
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lilac aromatic principal's office
  09/04/18
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Carnelian Nighttime Stain Therapy
  06/16/18
yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put...
Sapphire bull headed wrinkle place of business
  06/15/18
To be fair, *Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends
apoplectic smoky native
  06/15/18
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lilac aromatic principal's office
  02/12/21
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odious well-lubricated locus tank
  02/12/21
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Arousing theatre
  02/15/21
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lilac aromatic principal's office
  10/14/21
I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.
alcoholic mint meetinghouse hairy legs
  02/12/21
holy shit out the firm
chocolate embarrassed to the bone stage gaming laptop
  02/12/21
or at least give us vault range. that is really low.
lilac aromatic principal's office
  02/12/21
Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.
Magenta Supple Chapel Gaping
  02/12/21
it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression a...
lilac aromatic principal's office
  02/12/21
That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cr...
Magenta Supple Chapel Gaping
  02/12/21
i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.
lilac aromatic principal's office
  02/15/21
They systematically overpay top performers though. If you'r...
lavender mexican den
  02/12/21
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odious well-lubricated locus tank
  02/12/21
No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an...
alcoholic mint meetinghouse hairy legs
  02/12/21
Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they ca...
lavender mexican den
  02/12/21
Better partnership odds
Drab Roommate Electric Furnace
  02/12/21
That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner ...
lavender mexican den
  02/12/21
Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except f...
Drab Roommate Electric Furnace
  02/12/21
(Stevie Brogan)
chocolate embarrassed to the bone stage gaming laptop
  02/12/21
lol no
Vengeful exhilarant round eye center
  02/12/21
how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Clevel...
Provocative Nowag Parlor
  02/15/21
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lilac aromatic principal's office
  06/29/21
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lilac aromatic principal's office
  10/06/21
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Vermilion Vigorous Stage Mental Disorder
  10/06/21
that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.
godawful swollen jewess
  10/06/21
...
lilac aromatic principal's office
  02/12/22


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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: lilac aromatic principal's office

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36252934)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: maize fluffy home

“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36252952)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:33 PM
Author: navy submissive plaza shitlib

As I understand it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36253562)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:37 PM
Author: Azure free-loading rigpig



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:55 AM
Author: Azure free-loading rigpig



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: stubborn crackhouse milk

they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. the high ranking is from their NY and DC specialty practices, which didn't arrive until the 80s. they lost their entire DC office when it broke off to form crowell & moring

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36252972)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:10 PM
Author: beta site mediation

oh we got a legal expert here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#43231415)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:41 AM
Author: lilac aromatic principal's office



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:15 PM
Author: Echoes of Wisdom ((zurich is stained))



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Histrionic theater stage kitty cat

they have no debt as I understand it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36252979)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: Azure free-loading rigpig



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: Arousing theatre



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: Histrionic theater stage kitty cat

260k is a huge salary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36252984)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Swashbuckling idiot

goes a long way in shaker heights

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:41 PM
Author: Cerebral Ladyboy Tanning Salon



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Azure free-loading rigpig

Cr. Thats city janitor money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36253068)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: ruddy insanely creepy box office idea he suggested

Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal profession will always have a massive oversupply problem unless major changes are made.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36252986)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:14 PM
Author: Appetizing Hell Ape

How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 firms are all competing over the same band of graduates and to a lesser extent laterals. There's an oversupply of lawyers in the country but there isn't an oversupply of Class of 2017 Stanford Law graduates willing to do debt financing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41935785)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: Effete self-centered generalized bond point

It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your chances of making a career of it v. maximizing your earnings. That's always been my impression, although maybe incorrect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36252995)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: stubborn crackhouse milk

they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live in the midwest making six figures as basically a career of counsel, it might work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36253002)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Histrionic theater stage kitty cat

sounds 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36253004)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:42 PM
Author: Cerebral Ladyboy Tanning Salon



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: Arousing theatre



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: diverse unholy market

https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/mysterybox.png

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Azure free-loading rigpig



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: navy submissive plaza shitlib



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: Arousing theatre



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: Arousing theatre

https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: Effete self-centered generalized bond point



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:46 PM
Author: Carnelian Nighttime Stain Therapy



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: Arousing theatre



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:12 PM
Author: Carnelian Nighttime Stain Therapy



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: lilac aromatic principal's office

is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 interacts with 7.2" guy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#43231447)



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Date: January 18th, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: lilac aromatic principal's office



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:32 PM
Author: I hate being a lawyer and want to die



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: Galvanic avocado preventive strike

omg 260k where do they get off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36253074)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: lilac aromatic principal's office

For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t pay lockstep and was making 260k when I made partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36253521)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:28 PM
Author: Very tactful slimy wagecucks regret

p depressing news going into the weekend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36253537)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:15 PM
Author: lilac aromatic principal's office

Eat my dick nigger lover

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36253786)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: Very tactful slimy wagecucks regret

your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire du jour

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36254215)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: lilac aromatic principal's office

Explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36254517)



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Date: June 16th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: lilac aromatic principal's office



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Date: September 4th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: lilac aromatic principal's office



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Date: June 16th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: Carnelian Nighttime Stain Therapy



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:28 PM
Author: Sapphire bull headed wrinkle place of business

yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put in some time and then afterwards you basically write your own ticket

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36253827)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: apoplectic smoky native

To be fair,

*Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36254339)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:22 PM
Author: lilac aromatic principal's office



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:21 PM
Author: odious well-lubricated locus tank



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: Arousing theatre



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Date: October 14th, 2021 1:53 PM
Author: lilac aromatic principal's office



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:36 PM
Author: alcoholic mint meetinghouse hairy legs

I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41933507)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:37 PM
Author: chocolate embarrassed to the bone stage gaming laptop

holy shit

out the firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41933521)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:15 PM
Author: lilac aromatic principal's office

or at least give us vault range. that is really low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41933783)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:22 PM
Author: Magenta Supple Chapel Gaping

Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41933832)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: lilac aromatic principal's office

it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression at firms that don't pay lockstep (like mine). I think when i made partner biglaw was at 180 or 190 for first years. i was making 260 when i was put up. my firm always matches the market salary for first years but does nothing for anyone year 2 and beyond.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41933852)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:27 PM
Author: Magenta Supple Chapel Gaping

That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cravath scale but it’s been a while since I’ve seen the list

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41933882)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:02 PM
Author: lilac aromatic principal's office

i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41949761)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: lavender mexican den

They systematically overpay top performers though. If you're a 6th year doing 2400+ hours and unhappy with your pay and you're good, you could walk across the street to any other firm that does lockstep. But now you make the same as their worst sixth year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41933851)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:39 PM
Author: odious well-lubricated locus tank



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41933950)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:10 PM
Author: alcoholic mint meetinghouse hairy legs

No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an associate of the same year at a lockstep firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41935758)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:57 PM
Author: lavender mexican den

Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they can go to another firm tomorrow and get more money?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41935989)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:00 PM
Author: Drab Roommate Electric Furnace

Better partnership odds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41935999)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:04 PM
Author: lavender mexican den

That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner classes, but it's a longer track too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41936016)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:10 PM
Author: Drab Roommate Electric Furnace

Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except for places where no one makes partner (Cravath, S&C, etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41936043)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:15 PM
Author: chocolate embarrassed to the bone stage gaming laptop

(Stevie Brogan)

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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:22 PM
Author: Vengeful exhilarant round eye center

lol no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41935828)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:12 PM
Author: Provocative Nowag Parlor

how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Cleveland? the Shaker Heights trolling has got me curious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41949811)



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Date: June 29th, 2021 8:18 AM
Author: lilac aromatic principal's office



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:07 PM
Author: lilac aromatic principal's office



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:15 PM
Author: Vermilion Vigorous Stage Mental Disorder



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: godawful swollen jewess

that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#43231452)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:43 AM
Author: lilac aromatic principal's office



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