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PSA: Jones Day is ranked 15 by Vault and doesn't pay lockstep

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.
frum godawful sound barrier party of the first part
  06/15/18
“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”
razzle fluffy mad-dog skullcap indirect expression
  06/15/18
As I understand it.
rambunctious quadroon
  06/15/18
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Fear-inspiring temple
  06/15/18
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Fear-inspiring temple
  02/12/22
they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. th...
cerise national sandwich
  06/15/18
oh we got a legal expert here
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  10/06/21
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frum godawful sound barrier party of the first part
  02/12/22
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Martin Skhreli
  08/12/25
they have no debt as I understand it
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  06/15/18
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Fear-inspiring temple
  06/15/18
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Violent Scourge Upon The Earth Market
  06/15/18
260k is a huge salary
Dead Stag Film Genital Piercing
  06/15/18
goes a long way in shaker heights
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  06/15/18
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erotic area twinkling uncleanness
  06/15/18
Cr. Thats city janitor money
Fear-inspiring temple
  06/15/18
Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal ...
crystalline mewling mental disorder
  06/15/18
How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 ...
magical dilemma
  02/12/21
It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your cha...
Rebellious twisted indian lodge hunting ground
  06/15/18
they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live ...
cerise national sandwich
  06/15/18
sounds 180
Dead Stag Film Genital Piercing
  06/15/18
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Violent Scourge Upon The Earth Market
  06/15/18
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Rebellious twisted indian lodge hunting ground
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Violent Scourge Upon The Earth Market
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Orchid Free-loading Ratface University
  10/06/21
is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 intera...
frum godawful sound barrier party of the first part
  10/06/21
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frum godawful sound barrier party of the first part
  01/18/25
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I hate being a lawyer and want to die
  08/12/25
omg 260k where do they get off
Pink nofapping idiot
  06/15/18
For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t ...
frum godawful sound barrier party of the first part
  06/15/18
p depressing news going into the weekend
Cyan Corner
  06/15/18
Eat my dick nigger lover
frum godawful sound barrier party of the first part
  06/15/18
your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire...
Cyan Corner
  06/15/18
Explain
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frum godawful sound barrier party of the first part
  09/04/18
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Orchid Free-loading Ratface University
  06/16/18
yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put...
Mind-boggling Casino
  06/15/18
To be fair, *Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends
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  06/15/18
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frum godawful sound barrier party of the first part
  02/12/21
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Violent Scourge Upon The Earth Market
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frum godawful sound barrier party of the first part
  10/14/21
I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.
Ivory Ladyboy Hissy Fit
  02/12/21
holy shit out the firm
Wild Wrinkle
  02/12/21
or at least give us vault range. that is really low.
frum godawful sound barrier party of the first part
  02/12/21
Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.
Topaz apoplectic feces sanctuary
  02/12/21
it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression a...
frum godawful sound barrier party of the first part
  02/12/21
That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cr...
Topaz apoplectic feces sanctuary
  02/12/21
i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.
frum godawful sound barrier party of the first part
  02/15/21
They systematically overpay top performers though. If you'r...
Sienna persian house
  02/12/21
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histrionic center partner
  02/12/21
No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an...
Ivory Ladyboy Hissy Fit
  02/12/21
Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they ca...
Sienna persian house
  02/12/21
Better partnership odds
Motley tripping pervert native
  02/12/21
That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner ...
Sienna persian house
  02/12/21
Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except f...
Motley tripping pervert native
  02/12/21
(Stevie Brogan)
Wild Wrinkle
  02/12/21
lol no
Maniacal institution coffee pot
  02/12/21
how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Clevel...
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frum godawful sound barrier party of the first part
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deep floppy mexican senate
  10/06/21
that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.
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  10/06/21
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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: frum godawful sound barrier party of the first part

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: razzle fluffy mad-dog skullcap indirect expression

“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:33 PM
Author: rambunctious quadroon

As I understand it.

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:37 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring temple



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:55 AM
Author: Fear-inspiring temple



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: cerise national sandwich

they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. the high ranking is from their NY and DC specialty practices, which didn't arrive until the 80s. they lost their entire DC office when it broke off to form crowell & moring

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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:10 PM
Author: amethyst hot menage goal in life

oh we got a legal expert here

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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:41 AM
Author: frum godawful sound barrier party of the first part



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:15 PM
Author: Martin Skhreli ((zurich is stained))



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Dead Stag Film Genital Piercing

they have no debt as I understand it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36252979)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring temple



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: Violent Scourge Upon The Earth Market



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: Dead Stag Film Genital Piercing

260k is a huge salary

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: narrow-minded people who are hurt famous landscape painting

goes a long way in shaker heights

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:41 PM
Author: erotic area twinkling uncleanness



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring temple

Cr. Thats city janitor money

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: crystalline mewling mental disorder

Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal profession will always have a massive oversupply problem unless major changes are made.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36252986)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:14 PM
Author: magical dilemma

How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 firms are all competing over the same band of graduates and to a lesser extent laterals. There's an oversupply of lawyers in the country but there isn't an oversupply of Class of 2017 Stanford Law graduates willing to do debt financing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41935785)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: Rebellious twisted indian lodge hunting ground

It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your chances of making a career of it v. maximizing your earnings. That's always been my impression, although maybe incorrect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36252995)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: cerise national sandwich

they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live in the midwest making six figures as basically a career of counsel, it might work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36253002)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Dead Stag Film Genital Piercing

sounds 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36253004)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:42 PM
Author: erotic area twinkling uncleanness



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: Violent Scourge Upon The Earth Market



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: glittery kink-friendly property round eye

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring temple



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: rambunctious quadroon



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: Violent Scourge Upon The Earth Market



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: Violent Scourge Upon The Earth Market

https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: Rebellious twisted indian lodge hunting ground



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:46 PM
Author: Orchid Free-loading Ratface University



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: Violent Scourge Upon The Earth Market



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:12 PM
Author: Orchid Free-loading Ratface University



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: frum godawful sound barrier party of the first part

is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 interacts with 7.2" guy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#43231447)



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Date: January 18th, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: frum godawful sound barrier party of the first part



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:32 PM
Author: I hate being a lawyer and want to die



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: Pink nofapping idiot

omg 260k where do they get off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36253074)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: frum godawful sound barrier party of the first part

For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t pay lockstep and was making 260k when I made partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36253521)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:28 PM
Author: Cyan Corner

p depressing news going into the weekend

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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:15 PM
Author: frum godawful sound barrier party of the first part

Eat my dick nigger lover

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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: Cyan Corner

your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire du jour

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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: frum godawful sound barrier party of the first part

Explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36254517)



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Date: June 16th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: frum godawful sound barrier party of the first part



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Date: September 4th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: frum godawful sound barrier party of the first part



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Date: June 16th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: Orchid Free-loading Ratface University



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:28 PM
Author: Mind-boggling Casino

yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put in some time and then afterwards you basically write your own ticket

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36253827)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: Cowardly passionate coldplay fan

To be fair,

*Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36254339)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:22 PM
Author: frum godawful sound barrier party of the first part



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:21 PM
Author: histrionic center partner



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: Violent Scourge Upon The Earth Market



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Date: October 14th, 2021 1:53 PM
Author: frum godawful sound barrier party of the first part



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:36 PM
Author: Ivory Ladyboy Hissy Fit

I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41933507)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:37 PM
Author: Wild Wrinkle

holy shit

out the firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41933521)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:15 PM
Author: frum godawful sound barrier party of the first part

or at least give us vault range. that is really low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41933783)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:22 PM
Author: Topaz apoplectic feces sanctuary

Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41933832)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: frum godawful sound barrier party of the first part

it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression at firms that don't pay lockstep (like mine). I think when i made partner biglaw was at 180 or 190 for first years. i was making 260 when i was put up. my firm always matches the market salary for first years but does nothing for anyone year 2 and beyond.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41933852)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:27 PM
Author: Topaz apoplectic feces sanctuary

That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cravath scale but it’s been a while since I’ve seen the list

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41933882)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:02 PM
Author: frum godawful sound barrier party of the first part

i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41949761)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: Sienna persian house

They systematically overpay top performers though. If you're a 6th year doing 2400+ hours and unhappy with your pay and you're good, you could walk across the street to any other firm that does lockstep. But now you make the same as their worst sixth year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41933851)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:39 PM
Author: histrionic center partner



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:10 PM
Author: Ivory Ladyboy Hissy Fit

No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an associate of the same year at a lockstep firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41935758)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:57 PM
Author: Sienna persian house

Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they can go to another firm tomorrow and get more money?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41935989)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:00 PM
Author: Motley tripping pervert native

Better partnership odds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41935999)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:04 PM
Author: Sienna persian house

That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner classes, but it's a longer track too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41936016)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:10 PM
Author: Motley tripping pervert native

Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except for places where no one makes partner (Cravath, S&C, etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41936043)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:15 PM
Author: Wild Wrinkle

(Stevie Brogan)

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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:22 PM
Author: Maniacal institution coffee pot

lol no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41935828)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:12 PM
Author: Flatulent Old Irish Cottage Sex Offender

how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Cleveland? the Shaker Heights trolling has got me curious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41949811)



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Date: June 29th, 2021 8:18 AM
Author: frum godawful sound barrier party of the first part



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:07 PM
Author: frum godawful sound barrier party of the first part



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:15 PM
Author: deep floppy mexican senate



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: gold bisexual filthpig

that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.

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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:43 AM
Author: frum godawful sound barrier party of the first part



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