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how many 2Ls at CLS/NYU still don't have offers?

just trying to assess the chaos stories i heard in sept
spectacular pit fanboi
  02/03/10
I am also interested to hear this.
180 school haunted graveyard
  02/03/10
Lots. I know ~10 personally. Estimates range all over, 20-50...
gold mind-boggling cruise ship
  02/03/10
wow
Slimy vigorous wagecucks
  02/03/10
NYU or CLS?
spectacular pit fanboi
  02/04/10
Some say NYU did better than CLS this year because of their ...
Violent circlehead keepsake machete
  02/04/10
that doesn't make much sense...considering the new curve is ...
Sickened forum doctorate
  02/04/10
*jizzes on your corn flakes*
laughsome library gunner
  02/04/10
Pretty sure NYU's new curve awards 6% more A's compared to C...
very tactful galvanic sex offender
  02/04/10
Looks like 1L classes are all around 7-12% A's.
Sickened forum doctorate
  02/04/10
I mean all A grades (A+, A, A-). The range for all A gra...
very tactful galvanic sex offender
  02/04/10
Interesting.
Sickened forum doctorate
  02/04/10
NYU's new curve also has fewer B-'s than CLS'. NYU: 5% or...
umber mediation theater
  02/04/10
Close, but not quite correct. At NYU, 4-8% of 1L classes get...
Contagious ocher national
  02/05/10
thanks, i stand corrected. still only half the # of B-'s as...
umber mediation theater
  02/05/10
That's possible. Of course the curves were never identical. ...
Contagious ocher national
  02/05/10
NYU's median used to be 3.15? (People claim CLS's median is ...
very tactful galvanic sex offender
  02/05/10
I heard that NYU's old median was around 3.17 and that CLS's...
Contagious ocher national
  02/05/10
What's the deal with A+'s at CLS? Are they given out in most...
Contagious ocher national
  02/05/10
"A+ is a grade to be used sparingly and only for truly ...
very tactful galvanic sex offender
  02/05/10
That establishes an upper bound but is otherwise unhelpful. ...
Contagious ocher national
  02/05/10
I'm just a 1L but I don't know anyone (1L or otherwise) who ...
very tactful galvanic sex offender
  02/05/10
They put the distributions online here. It's kinda helpful w...
Contagious ocher national
  02/05/10
By the way, I've been meaning to ask you. You weren't, by an...
Sickened forum doctorate
  02/05/10
No. If that's the class taught by Been, though, I certainly ...
Contagious ocher national
  02/05/10
CLS A+s are not common. I know a few 1L professors like to ...
chest-beating principal's office newt
  02/05/10
1L friend of mine has one of those A+s.
aromatic set
  02/05/10
The distribution from 04/05 is available at CLS (same curve ...
gold mind-boggling cruise ship
  02/05/10
It sounds like there's a material but opaque difference betw...
Contagious ocher national
  02/05/10
too bad america still thinks it's a state school
laughsome library gunner
  02/05/10
...
laughsome library gunner
  02/05/10
what kind of offers would still be coming at this point? fir...
Bossy jewess senate
  02/03/10
the only people i know at those schools without jobs are 3Ls
Bronze pea-brained menage personal credit line
  02/04/10
more than u think. no way to know for sure though cuz no on...
Deep Seedy Main People Affirmative Action
  02/04/10
also cso seems content w/ not finding out. LOL how surpri...
wine wild internal respiration
  02/05/10
I know for CLS, we'll have the stats in april when they hand...
gold mind-boggling cruise ship
  02/05/10
57.8
cracking dog poop
  02/04/10
50%
Violent circlehead keepsake machete
  02/04/10
CLS: ~10% of those wanting biglaw NYU: ~10% of those wantin...
Aphrodisiac community account
  02/04/10
That's optimistic.
Charismatic Disturbing Telephone
  02/04/10
Reality, actually. It was not as easy as years past, and it ...
Aphrodisiac community account
  02/04/10
"Cambridge, actually"
laughsome library gunner
  02/04/10
Last night CLS dude claimed 2 people on LR struck out. I hav...
Charismatic Disturbing Telephone
  02/04/10
I claimed one for sure, other is a rumor.
gold mind-boggling cruise ship
  02/04/10
what are these two people like? striking out as LR from CLS ...
Lemon Corner
  02/04/10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRZNQ06kWyc
laughsome library gunner
  02/04/10
lol nice
Lemon Corner
  02/04/10
The blood shed is overblown, but your estimate is too low.
gold mind-boggling cruise ship
  02/04/10
What's better? 15% 20% It is surely no more than that. I onl...
Aphrodisiac community account
  02/04/10
Are you including those who struck out with biglaw but lande...
Charismatic Disturbing Telephone
  02/04/10
I'd guess 20%. I know at least 10 people without jobs and th...
gold mind-boggling cruise ship
  02/05/10
That's only true because, for some odd reason, five times as...
amber immigrant
  02/04/10
*is inspired by the plight of harlem tenants*
laughsome library gunner
  02/04/10
I personally know of about 10-15 ppl at CLS still without of...
umber mediation theater
  02/05/10
wow. at first i was optimistic for my 2l friends at UVA who ...
wine wild internal respiration
  02/05/10
hey man how many dicks do u have to take before it doesn't h...
laughsome library gunner
  02/05/10
depends how loose your asshole is to begin with
wine wild internal respiration
  02/05/10
titcr, actually
cream disgusting ape
  02/05/10
you don't have friends
sooty twisted market
  02/05/10
i have plenty ty
wine wild internal respiration
  02/05/10
...
well-lubricated overrated laser beams
  02/05/10
seems like a lot of people have been going to the pilc fair.
Glittery sneaky criminal
  02/05/10
yeah dude. it's pretty fucked
laughsome library gunner
  02/05/10
1Ls or 2Ls?
umber mediation theater
  02/05/10
lots of 2Ls... including me :/
Deep Seedy Main People Affirmative Action
  02/05/10
CCN?
umber mediation theater
  02/05/10
Cost of NYU law degree? $40K/year Cost of NYC housing? $1...
wine wild internal respiration
  02/05/10
at this point i'd be more than thrilled to have a job at the...
umber mediation theater
  02/05/10
sad if true how much does the bronx da even pay?
wine wild internal respiration
  02/05/10
they pay you with steinbrenner's ball sweat
laughsome library gunner
  02/05/10
well what exactly are the other options for someone like me ...
umber mediation theater
  02/05/10
why does joining the Bronx DA's office necessarily imply a l...
Bronze pea-brained menage personal credit line
  02/05/10
zomg 40k is ok because i am HELPUN PEOPLZ
laughsome library gunner
  02/05/10
it's real bad ya'll
Shimmering talented house indirect expression
  02/05/10
"I would estimate that half to 75% are still not sure w...
cream disgusting ape
  02/05/10
...
well-lubricated overrated laser beams
  02/05/10
To be fair, I think the deadline for first "expressing ...
Charismatic Disturbing Telephone
  02/05/10
which school is this?
umber mediation theater
  02/05/10
N
Shimmering talented house indirect expression
  02/05/10
Holy shit, if true, the rumors about NYU doing better than C...
gold mind-boggling cruise ship
  02/05/10
W/ transfers the class is around 463. Many of the top half ...
Shimmering talented house indirect expression
  02/05/10
I think the class is bigger than that. It's almost 500, no?
Charismatic Disturbing Telephone
  02/05/10
How big was last year's 1L class? I know they only took 30 ...
Shimmering talented house indirect expression
  02/05/10
...
well-lubricated overrated laser beams
  02/05/10
I got my figure from a transfer, he could be wrong. You sur...
Shimmering talented house indirect expression
  02/05/10
...
well-lubricated overrated laser beams
  02/05/10
That's less than half the class and probably includes some p...
Charismatic Disturbing Telephone
  02/05/10
Even 1/3rd of the class would be shocking at either school, ...
gold mind-boggling cruise ship
  02/05/10
1/3 without biglaw?
Shimmering talented house indirect expression
  02/05/10
Yeah (among those who wanted it).
gold mind-boggling cruise ship
  02/05/10
That sounds approximately correct.
Charismatic Disturbing Telephone
  02/05/10
At least 1/3 of the individuals at CCN that wanted biglaw di...
Shimmering talented house indirect expression
  02/05/10
where did you get those data?
duck-like potus lodge
  02/05/10
"For sure"? Do you work in CS? Otherwise, how ...
Charismatic Disturbing Telephone
  02/05/10
Really? In a normal year, I think NYU placed about 80% into ...
Charismatic Disturbing Telephone
  02/05/10
Really? Are you conflating post grad employment with 2L summ...
gold mind-boggling cruise ship
  02/05/10
No, the 80% number is from the 2L summer employment data OCS...
Charismatic Disturbing Telephone
  02/05/10
There are no jobs! Why would anyone be surprised.
Shimmering talented house indirect expression
  02/05/10
That sounds like bullshit.
Sickened forum doctorate
  02/05/10
229 2Ls from what schools? If you mean columbia/NYU, yo...
duck-like potus lodge
  02/05/10
He's talking about N. I looked through my email and wasn't a...
Charismatic Disturbing Telephone
  02/05/10
give the general risk-averseness of law students, I would no...
duck-like potus lodge
  02/05/10
You might be right here. However, some that did not express...
Shimmering talented house indirect expression
  02/05/10
...
well-lubricated overrated laser beams
  02/05/10
I hear at least 20 columbia 1Ls got firm jobs. Several are m...
duck-like potus lodge
  02/05/10
i dont understand this. how do firms have jobs for 1Ls??????...
well-lubricated overrated laser beams
  02/05/10
connections/straight As/science PhD, etc
duck-like potus lodge
  02/05/10
...
well-lubricated overrated laser beams
  02/05/10
not sure about the range, but I personally know one kid with...
duck-like potus lodge
  02/05/10
has to be dpw. they took 1Ls last year too.
well-lubricated overrated laser beams
  02/05/10
Wachtell did too.
gold mind-boggling cruise ship
  02/05/10
...
well-lubricated overrated laser beams
  02/05/10
...
gold mind-boggling cruise ship
  02/05/10
...
well-lubricated overrated laser beams
  02/05/10
Different dood, their nalp form says they were hiring 5 1L's...
gold mind-boggling cruise ship
  02/05/10
Sounds about right, I (non-URM) got a 1L gig last year (at a...
gold mind-boggling cruise ship
  02/05/10
why did you give your an offer when there was overcapacity? ...
duck-like potus lodge
  02/05/10
No clue as to why, I did jack shit all summer too. I have a ...
gold mind-boggling cruise ship
  02/05/10
almost all the jobs listed for 1L summer at good firms on sy...
laughsome library gunner
  02/05/10
...
aromatic set
  02/05/10
yeah i saw that one. pretty sure i don't have a shot when th...
laughsome library gunner
  02/05/10
...
aromatic set
  02/05/10
lol dude you think that matters
laughsome library gunner
  02/05/10
That's how I got my 1L gig.
gold mind-boggling cruise ship
  02/05/10
fuck you
laughsome library gunner
  02/05/10
u mad?
gold mind-boggling cruise ship
  02/05/10
no u
laughsome library gunner
  02/05/10
...
aromatic set
  02/05/10
what about having a positive attitude and an engaging, warm ...
laughsome library gunner
  02/05/10
...
aromatic set
  02/05/10
what about wearing a power tie and making sure to shake hand...
laughsome library gunner
  02/05/10


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Date: February 3rd, 2010 11:36 PM
Author: spectacular pit fanboi

just trying to assess the chaos stories i heard in sept

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14008000)



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Date: February 3rd, 2010 11:48 PM
Author: 180 school haunted graveyard

I am also interested to hear this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14008149)



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Date: February 3rd, 2010 11:52 PM
Author: gold mind-boggling cruise ship

Lots. I know ~10 personally. Estimates range all over, 20-50%, but no one knows for sure.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14008197)



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Date: February 3rd, 2010 11:52 PM
Author: Slimy vigorous wagecucks

wow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14008202)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 1:29 PM
Author: spectacular pit fanboi

NYU or CLS?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14012786)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 3:33 PM
Author: Violent circlehead keepsake machete

Some say NYU did better than CLS this year because of their new curve.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14013899)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 9:07 PM
Author: Sickened forum doctorate

that doesn't make much sense...considering the new curve is roughly equivalent to columbia's (the old one was a bit lower).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14017535)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 9:07 PM
Author: laughsome library gunner

*jizzes on your corn flakes*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14017542)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 10:44 PM
Author: very tactful galvanic sex offender

Pretty sure NYU's new curve awards 6% more A's compared to CLS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14018541)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 10:46 PM
Author: Sickened forum doctorate

Looks like 1L classes are all around 7-12% A's.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14018576)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 10:54 PM
Author: very tactful galvanic sex offender

I mean all A grades (A+, A, A-).

The range for all A grades at CLS is 20-25%. At NYU, it's 23-31%.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14018658)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 10:56 PM
Author: Sickened forum doctorate

Interesting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14018679)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 11:56 PM
Author: umber mediation theater

NYU's new curve also has fewer B-'s than CLS'.

NYU: 5% or less B-'s

CLS: 7 to 15%

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14019421)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 12:05 AM
Author: Contagious ocher national

Close, but not quite correct. At NYU, 4-8% of 1L classes get B-'s.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14019569)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 12:09 AM
Author: umber mediation theater

thanks, i stand corrected. still only half the # of B-'s as CLS.

the new NYU curve has more As and fewer B-'s than the CLS curve, and that probably contributed to NYU fairing better this year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14019624)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 12:22 AM
Author: Contagious ocher national

That's possible. Of course the curves were never identical. Before this, NYU's median was around .05 lower than CLS's. If employers were just comparing GPAs willy nilly, a few NYUers likely got screwed at the margins.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14019857)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 12:24 AM
Author: very tactful galvanic sex offender

NYU's median used to be 3.15? (People claim CLS's median is 3.2, but I have no idea if that's true)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14019904)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 12:27 AM
Author: Contagious ocher national

I heard that NYU's old median was around 3.17 and that CLS's was around 3.22. Now NYU's is probably around 3.27.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14019956)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 12:08 AM
Author: Contagious ocher national

What's the deal with A+'s at CLS? Are they given out in most classes, or are they rarer than that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14019613)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 12:28 AM
Author: very tactful galvanic sex offender

"A+ is a grade to be used sparingly and only for truly extraordinary performance. There should be no more than one A+ in a class and the grade should not be used automatically for the top performance in the class if that performance is not extraordinary."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14019969)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 12:32 AM
Author: Contagious ocher national

That establishes an upper bound but is otherwise unhelpful. Have you glanced at grade distributions and established some sense of the frequency with which they're distributed?

At NYU they're discretionary and usually capped at 1 person, but I get the sense that most of the profs think they're supposed to give them out on a regular basis.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14020022)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 12:36 AM
Author: very tactful galvanic sex offender

I'm just a 1L but I don't know anyone (1L or otherwise) who has an A+. Where would I find this distribution? The registrar?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14020076)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 12:43 AM
Author: Contagious ocher national

They put the distributions online here. It's kinda helpful when you're selecting classes--you want to avoid the profs who make a habit of giving out C's and D's.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14020202)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 12:47 AM
Author: Sickened forum doctorate

By the way, I've been meaning to ask you. You weren't, by any chance, in land use reg. last term were you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14020250)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:08 AM
Author: Contagious ocher national

No. If that's the class taught by Been, though, I certainly wanted to take it for the reason you're thinking about.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14022520)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 9:25 PM
Author: chest-beating principal's office newt

CLS A+s are not common. I know a few 1L professors like to give them out pretty much every time they teach (Liebman for crim), but otherwise I don't know about how common they are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14028434)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 9:47 PM
Author: aromatic set

1L friend of mine has one of those A+s.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14028563)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:51 AM
Author: gold mind-boggling cruise ship

The distribution from 04/05 is available at CLS (same curve as today) and very very few classes gave out an A+. I also know that my crim law professor, who gave out the distribution on his own, awarded 1 A+ in the last 12 years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14022567)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 11:25 AM
Author: Contagious ocher national

It sounds like there's a material but opaque difference between the two school on this point. I suspect NYU students will benefit from this for at least a little while.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14023517)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 1:54 PM
Author: laughsome library gunner

too bad america still thinks it's a state school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14024552)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 1:53 PM
Author: laughsome library gunner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14024546)



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Date: February 3rd, 2010 11:55 PM
Author: Bossy jewess senate

what kind of offers would still be coming at this point? firms or more like volunteer stuff?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14008249)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 12:08 AM
Author: Bronze pea-brained menage personal credit line

the only people i know at those schools without jobs are 3Ls

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14008472)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 1:35 AM
Author: Deep Seedy Main People Affirmative Action

more than u think. no way to know for sure though cuz no one goes around bragging about not getting a SA position. also cso seems content w/ not finding out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14009863)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:58 AM
Author: wine wild internal respiration

also cso seems content w/ not finding out.

LOL how surprising....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14022579)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 8:02 AM
Author: gold mind-boggling cruise ship

I know for CLS, we'll have the stats in april when they hand out the EIP stats to the 1L's (unless they try to cover it up by not releasing them this year).

They also did an online survey about callbacks and rumor (completely unsubstantiated) was that almost 40 people had zero callbacks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14022584)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 1:30 PM
Author: cracking dog poop

57.8

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14012791)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 3:32 PM
Author: Violent circlehead keepsake machete

50%

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14013893)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 8:05 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac community account

CLS: ~10% of those wanting biglaw

NYU: ~10% of those wanting biglaw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14016823)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 9:05 PM
Author: Charismatic Disturbing Telephone

That's optimistic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14017522)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 9:29 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac community account

Reality, actually. It was not as easy as years past, and it was far from guaranteed, but the bloodshed reported on this site is a little overblown.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14017724)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 9:33 PM
Author: laughsome library gunner

"Cambridge, actually"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14017744)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 9:47 PM
Author: Charismatic Disturbing Telephone

Last night CLS dude claimed 2 people on LR struck out. I have a hard time reconciling that with your assertion, couched though it may be in "those who wanted it" language.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14017875)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 9:48 PM
Author: gold mind-boggling cruise ship

I claimed one for sure, other is a rumor.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14017891)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 10:21 PM
Author: Lemon Corner

what are these two people like? striking out as LR from CLS is pretty egregious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14018277)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 10:24 PM
Author: laughsome library gunner

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRZNQ06kWyc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14018314)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 10:31 PM
Author: Lemon Corner

lol nice

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14018411)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 9:47 PM
Author: gold mind-boggling cruise ship

The blood shed is overblown, but your estimate is too low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14017880)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 9:54 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac community account

What's better? 15% 20% It is surely no more than that. I only know one person without one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14017988)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 10:25 PM
Author: Charismatic Disturbing Telephone

Are you including those who struck out with biglaw but landed some other random job (gov't, PI, etc.) in the pile of gainfully employed 2Ls? I suppose that would be technically correct, but given the fact that most of those positions do not lead to full time positions after law school, it would be a bit deceptive to lump them in there with the people who managed to land biglaw jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14018326)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:53 AM
Author: gold mind-boggling cruise ship

I'd guess 20%. I know at least 10 people without jobs and those are only the people who admit to it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14022571)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 9:48 PM
Author: amber immigrant

That's only true because, for some odd reason, five times as many people don't want biglaw this year. I'm sure the fact that there aren't nearly as many available positions is just a coincidence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14017886)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 9:57 PM
Author: laughsome library gunner

*is inspired by the plight of harlem tenants*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14018014)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 12:00 AM
Author: umber mediation theater

I personally know of about 10-15 ppl at CLS still without offers, and my social circle isn't exactly big. My guess would be that anywhere from 50 to 75 2Ls still don't have anything lined up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14019459)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:27 AM
Author: wine wild internal respiration

wow. at first i was optimistic for my 2l friends at UVA who have no jobs this summer lined up. but if the kids from columbia/nyu aren't landing anything, i'm afraid to say that my poor uva friends are FUCKT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14022525)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 1:54 PM
Author: laughsome library gunner

hey man how many dicks do u have to take before it doesn't hurt anymore

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14024550)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 5:21 PM
Author: wine wild internal respiration

depends how loose your asshole is to begin with

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026316)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 5:24 PM
Author: cream disgusting ape

titcr, actually

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026330)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 1:56 PM
Author: sooty twisted market

you don't have friends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14024558)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 5:21 PM
Author: wine wild internal respiration

i have plenty ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026312)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 1:24 PM
Author: well-lubricated overrated laser beams



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14024336)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 1:58 PM
Author: Glittery sneaky criminal

seems like a lot of people have been going to the pilc fair.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14024574)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 2:00 PM
Author: laughsome library gunner

yeah dude. it's pretty fucked

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14024581)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 4:31 PM
Author: umber mediation theater

1Ls or 2Ls?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14025886)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 4:42 PM
Author: Deep Seedy Main People Affirmative Action

lots of 2Ls... including me :/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026019)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 5:10 PM
Author: umber mediation theater

CCN?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026252)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 5:35 PM
Author: wine wild internal respiration

Cost of NYU law degree? $40K/year

Cost of NYC housing? $14K/year

Cost of 3 years of NYC bar hopping? $10K

Cost of your lost pride at having graduated from NYU Law and joining the ranks of the Bronx DA? Immeasureable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026394)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 5:38 PM
Author: umber mediation theater

at this point i'd be more than thrilled to have a job at the bronx DA's office upon graduation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026422)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:52 PM
Author: wine wild internal respiration

sad if true

how much does the bronx da even pay?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027495)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:53 PM
Author: laughsome library gunner

they pay you with steinbrenner's ball sweat

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027500)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 10:06 PM
Author: umber mediation theater

well what exactly are the other options for someone like me who struck out at 2L OCI?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14028652)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 8:32 PM
Author: Bronze pea-brained menage personal credit line

why does joining the Bronx DA's office necessarily imply a loss of pride

fuck you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027821)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 8:33 PM
Author: laughsome library gunner

zomg 40k is ok because i am HELPUN PEOPLZ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027827)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:24 PM
Author: Shimmering talented house indirect expression
Subject: it's real bad ya'll

Public Interest department sent out email one month ago overcome with joy at the 229 2Ls that had expressed the desire to work in public interest and receive PILC funding. Of that 50% of the class, I would estimate that half to 75% are still not sure where they will be volunteering their services this summer. The competition is fierce. The halls have been lined with their perky smiles and sunken eyes. 25% will basically strike out and will end up RAing or working for some school affiliated institution, if they are lucky.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026839)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:27 PM
Author: cream disgusting ape

"I would estimate that half to 75% are still not sure where they will be volunteering their services this summer. The competition is fierce. The halls have been lined with their perky smiles and sunken eyes."

reminded me of the great WUSTL thread; time for a CCN edition?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026865)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:29 PM
Author: well-lubricated overrated laser beams

...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026877)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:41 PM
Author: Charismatic Disturbing Telephone

To be fair, I think the deadline for first "expressing interest" in PILC funding was way back at the beginning of september last year, so it's pretty likely that some of those students were applying out of an abundance of caution--I certainly considered doing as much.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026961)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:29 PM
Author: umber mediation theater

which school is this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026878)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:30 PM
Author: Shimmering talented house indirect expression

N

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026887)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:35 PM
Author: gold mind-boggling cruise ship

Holy shit, if true, the rumors about NYU doing better than CLS are wrong.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026922)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:42 PM
Author: Shimmering talented house indirect expression

W/ transfers the class is around 463. Many of the top half students are doing the PILC fair because they did not want big law, this is at least 10%. This leaves approximately 40% of the bottom halvers fighting for public interest jobs. I do not know how anyone can assess who is doing better with these incomplete numbers. Anyways, better than this shit can still be shit. I don't think anyone is quite ready to pull out their data.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026976)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:43 PM
Author: Charismatic Disturbing Telephone

I think the class is bigger than that. It's almost 500, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026980)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:44 PM
Author: Shimmering talented house indirect expression

How big was last year's 1L class? I know they only took 30 transfers and at least 5 kids have dropped out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026995)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:46 PM
Author: well-lubricated overrated laser beams



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027005)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:48 PM
Author: Shimmering talented house indirect expression

I got my figure from a transfer, he could be wrong. You sure?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027020)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:55 PM
Author: well-lubricated overrated laser beams



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027082)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:42 PM
Author: Charismatic Disturbing Telephone

That's less than half the class and probably includes some people who ended up securing biglaw jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026977)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:44 PM
Author: gold mind-boggling cruise ship

Even 1/3rd of the class would be shocking at either school, if confirmed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026993)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:45 PM
Author: Shimmering talented house indirect expression

1/3 without biglaw?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027000)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:48 PM
Author: gold mind-boggling cruise ship

Yeah (among those who wanted it).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027019)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:51 PM
Author: Charismatic Disturbing Telephone

That sounds approximately correct.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027038)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:52 PM
Author: Shimmering talented house indirect expression

At least 1/3 of the individuals at CCN that wanted biglaw did not get it. For sure. Life is a bitch sometime.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027045)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:53 PM
Author: duck-like potus lodge

where did you get those data?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027056)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:02 PM
Author: Charismatic Disturbing Telephone

"For sure"?

Do you work in CS? Otherwise, how the fuck can you say anything with certainty?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027149)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:48 PM
Author: Charismatic Disturbing Telephone

Really? In a normal year, I think NYU placed about 80% into firms. I think about 1/2 of the remaining 20% sought PILC funding as a last resort. I wouldn't be surprised if that 80% dropped to 60% or lower last year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027026)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:52 PM
Author: gold mind-boggling cruise ship

Really? Are you conflating post grad employment with 2L summer employment? At CLS, the 2007 stats show that 398 took a 2L SA, which = 93% of the class. Post grad only 80% are at firms (due to no-offers, clerks, and people who never wanted to work for a firm but still wanted the 2L summer cash).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027052)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:00 PM
Author: Charismatic Disturbing Telephone

No, the 80% number is from the 2L summer employment data OCS distributed to us last year. I think NYU has more students who are interested in public service than does CLS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027131)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:53 PM
Author: Shimmering talented house indirect expression

There are no jobs! Why would anyone be surprised.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027059)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:37 PM
Author: Sickened forum doctorate

That sounds like bullshit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026933)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:43 PM
Author: duck-like potus lodge

229 2Ls from what schools?

If you mean columbia/NYU, you are flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026988)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:54 PM
Author: Charismatic Disturbing Telephone

He's talking about N. I looked through my email and wasn't able to find the number he's talking about. But even if it's correct, as I mentioned above, the deadline for "expressing interest" was before most firms had extended offers, making it highly likely that the number quoted includes quite a few people who applied for funding out of caution rather than necessity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027070)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:57 PM
Author: duck-like potus lodge

give the general risk-averseness of law students, I would not be surprised if all the LR kids expressed interest for safety. The data is useless.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027106)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:59 PM
Author: Shimmering talented house indirect expression

You might be right here. However, some that did not express interest at that time had to subsequently catch up on their obligations. The summary of my story is that at least 25% of the class is really nervous right now and will be strown amongst the small public interest internships that will have them and that at least 1/3 of the people that wanted biglaw did not get it. Not a shocker, there are no jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027130)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:02 PM
Author: well-lubricated overrated laser beams



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027156)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:04 PM
Author: duck-like potus lodge

I hear at least 20 columbia 1Ls got firm jobs. Several are minority.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027162)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:05 PM
Author: well-lubricated overrated laser beams

i dont understand this. how do firms have jobs for 1Ls???????

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027167)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:08 PM
Author: duck-like potus lodge

connections/straight As/science PhD, etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027195)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:09 PM
Author: well-lubricated overrated laser beams



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027204)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:10 PM
Author: duck-like potus lodge

not sure about the range, but I personally know one kid with an offer from a V5. The kid got all As last semester and had a science background.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027213)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:12 PM
Author: well-lubricated overrated laser beams

has to be dpw. they took 1Ls last year too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027224)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:13 PM
Author: gold mind-boggling cruise ship

Wachtell did too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027235)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:14 PM
Author: well-lubricated overrated laser beams



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027241)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:17 PM
Author: gold mind-boggling cruise ship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027259)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:20 PM
Author: well-lubricated overrated laser beams



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027285)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:21 PM
Author: gold mind-boggling cruise ship

Different dood, their nalp form says they were hiring 5 1L's.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027287)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:08 PM
Author: gold mind-boggling cruise ship

Sounds about right, I (non-URM) got a 1L gig last year (at a firm that did layoffs a month after they offered me) as did a couple of my friends even though there was supposedly no market for 1L's.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027198)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:14 PM
Author: duck-like potus lodge

why did you give your an offer when there was overcapacity? did you get the offer from the same firm for 2L summer?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027246)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:20 PM
Author: gold mind-boggling cruise ship

No clue as to why, I did jack shit all summer too. I have a return offer for this summer (2 week type thing) and another offer at different firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027283)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:23 PM
Author: laughsome library gunner

almost all the jobs listed for 1L summer at good firms on symplicity are "diversity fellowships" or some such

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027292)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:31 PM
Author: aromatic set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027344)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:32 PM
Author: laughsome library gunner

yeah i saw that one. pretty sure i don't have a shot when they get 200+ cls apps

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027349)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:35 PM
Author: aromatic set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027367)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:41 PM
Author: laughsome library gunner

lol dude you think that matters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027403)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:42 PM
Author: gold mind-boggling cruise ship

That's how I got my 1L gig.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027408)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:43 PM
Author: laughsome library gunner

fuck you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027413)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:44 PM
Author: gold mind-boggling cruise ship

u mad?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027428)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:47 PM
Author: laughsome library gunner

no u

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027453)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:44 PM
Author: aromatic set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027425)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:44 PM
Author: laughsome library gunner

what about having a positive attitude and an engaging, warm smile?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027429)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:45 PM
Author: aromatic set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027439)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:46 PM
Author: laughsome library gunner

what about wearing a power tie and making sure to shake hands and make eye contact? what about having 1L business cards?

Yeah dude be careful to delete, to make sure no one OUTS YOU

nigger

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027447)