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Quantify the value of being a hot girl in GPA terms
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Date: February 5th, 2010 4:34 PM Author: beady-eyed glassy range gaping At OCI, what is the numerical value of being a hot girl? It's gotta be at *least* a 0.4 GPA boost. 0.5 if you wear a low-cut blouse. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1213466&forum_id=2,#14025920) |
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Date: February 5th, 2010 4:35 PM Author: magical set it needs to be expressed as a ratio (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1213466&forum_id=2,#14025925) |
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Date: February 5th, 2010 4:37 PM Author: beady-eyed glassy range gaping Of? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1213466&forum_id=2,#14025957) |
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Date: February 5th, 2010 4:38 PM Author: magical set lol no wonder you went to law school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1213466&forum_id=2,#14025963) |
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Date: February 5th, 2010 4:39 PM Author: beady-eyed glassy range gaping You think this is clever, but you're making no sense, bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1213466&forum_id=2,#14025979) |
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Date: February 5th, 2010 4:35 PM Author: soul-stirring yarmulke you are ugly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1213466&forum_id=2,#14025933) |
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Date: February 5th, 2010 4:36 PM Author: Maroon Mother Keepsake Machete 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1213466&forum_id=2,#14025947) |
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Date: February 5th, 2010 4:37 PM Author: beady-eyed glassy range gaping A bit harsh, I think (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1213466&forum_id=2,#14025952) |
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Date: February 5th, 2010 10:07 PM Author: Cerebral sienna house titcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1213466&forum_id=2,#14028662) |
Date: February 5th, 2010 4:37 PM Author: confused scourge upon the earth Depends on what your GPA is. If it satisfies the firm's cutoff for serious consideration, being a hot girl is probably a .5 boost. If the firm almost never takes people with your GPA, then it's probably a much smaller boost. I.e., you won't be hired just for being a hot girl, but if your grades are good enough that you'd be considered even if you were an aspie guy, you might as well be EIC of the LR. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1213466&forum_id=2,#14025959) |
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Date: February 5th, 2010 4:40 PM Author: concupiscible misanthropic ceo kitchen titcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1213466&forum_id=2,#14025982) |
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Date: February 5th, 2010 4:40 PM Author: Kink-friendly Pearly Cruise Ship what's a hot girl? 7+? is ruskie a hot girl? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1213466&forum_id=2,#14025990) |
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Date: February 5th, 2010 4:41 PM Author: confused scourge upon the earth 75th percentile attractiveness among girls at your school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1213466&forum_id=2,#14026000) |
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Date: February 5th, 2010 4:42 PM Author: beady-eyed glassy range gaping Yeah, 7+ is a decent cutoff. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1213466&forum_id=2,#14026011) |
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Date: February 5th, 2010 4:43 PM Author: disrespectful vivacious ratface hunting ground a lot
In a second study published in 1998, Biddle and Hamermesh focused their attention on lawyers graduating from a "selective" but unidentified law school. In the law school study, panels of individuals were shown pictures taken of students at the time they matriculated to the law school and asked to rate them on a five-point scale. When the ratings given to the male students in the 1970's age cohort were graphed, it was found that, one year after graduation, a difference of two standard-deviations in a student's appearance was worth a 3 percent increase in salary.3 Five years after graduation, the same difference was worth a 10 percent increase and, after a lawyer became established in his profession, the difference was worth 12 percent.4 After fifteen years of practicing law, each increase of one standard deviation in a lawyer's appearance was worth $3,200 for lawyers in the public sector and $10,200 for lawyers in private practice.5 |
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Date: February 5th, 2010 4:55 PM Author: beady-eyed glassy range gaping Yeah, but this study's results are gender-blind. There's gotta be WAY more advantage for a hot girl at OCI than a good looking guy.
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Date: February 5th, 2010 4:58 PM Author: disrespectful vivacious ratface hunting ground actually, i recently started a thread about this. if you look at the data, the wage gap between uglies and hots is larger in men than in women
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1212720&mc=7&forum_id=2
men face more discrimination for being ugly |
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Date: February 5th, 2010 5:21 PM Author: lime church jewess Good looks in men makes others (men and women) think they are competent leaders. Good looks in women makes men want to bone them and make other women want to throw acid in their faces. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1213466&forum_id=2,#14026320) |
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Date: February 5th, 2010 5:24 PM Author: confused scourge upon the earth credited. also, i'm never jealous of good looking men, but average looking and unattractive women may feel that way about hot women.
edit - missed the acid comment |
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Date: February 5th, 2010 5:24 PM Author: umber autistic hall goal in life concise, accurate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1213466&forum_id=2,#14026328) |
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Date: February 5th, 2010 9:50 PM Author: Cracking garrison I don't know if this is sufficient or accounted for already or whatever, but men have a much higher variance in salary than women do. More men than women, for example, are at the very top of earnings both overall (i.e. bankers/CEOs) and in their fields (law firm partners). Some (but not all) of this has to do with women having kids. Anyway, having a 15% vs an 11% difference makes sense to me for that reason rather than for some intrinsic reason. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1213466&forum_id=2,#14028577) |
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Date: February 5th, 2010 4:48 PM Author: Bull Headed Forum this is relevant to my interests (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1213466&forum_id=2,#14026084) |
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Date: February 5th, 2010 4:52 PM Author: brass stimulating heaven A lot. Hot chicks in general, have it way easier than life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1213466&forum_id=2,#14026123) |
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Date: February 5th, 2010 5:12 PM Author: Smoky razzle temple The value of hotness has declined ITE because of the pressure of clients to shift low level associate work like doc review to contract attorneys.
Even five years ago, first years did more doc review than they do now.
Thinking back to my class, the hot girls with median or below grades still all got v10 or the best firm in whatever regional market they targeted.
This was not that big a deal given the number of actual hot women in good law schools is very small, I'd say in my class of 550 there were about 5 or 6. I don't think being "law school pretty" is worth very much, especially because biglaw will fatten and make haggard a law school pretty girl within a year or two. |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 8:25 AM Author: lime church jewess Based on the people who are employed v unemployed at my CCN, tintcr. Hot chicks with middling grades still got V-10s. The bias in favor of hotness is mostly subconscious (doubt ITE had any effect) and being moderately attractive in a sea of uggos provides as big a bump as being hot in a sea of norms. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1213466&forum_id=2,#14031483) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 10:26 AM Author: odious locale Yeah, from what I could tell, you just have to be moderately attractive to get the boost. Being truly stunning might actually backfire, since it would make people uncomfortable or too focused on your looks. In general, being moderately attractive makes people like you more and think you have better people skills--even if they don't really consciously think about the fact that you're attractive.
But I think the boost is something like 0.3 GPA points. Not sure if it is bigger for girls or guys.
Interestingly, though, I don't think attractiveness matters as much in clerkship hiring. Not really sure why that is. |
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Date: February 5th, 2010 10:06 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle School Cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1213466&forum_id=2,#14028657) |