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How important is MOOT COURT?
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:47 PM Author: histrionic gunner den i'm definitely doing it, but won't have much time to work on it (due to callbacks).
i don't like doing a half-assed job but think i'll be eliminated in the first round.
does this matter? |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:47 PM Author: lavender public bath incel lol, outed as a faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15947534) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:27 PM Author: big garnet boltzmann dopamine Not at all outside of a minor note on your resume. If you win, it might be a bigger minor note on yoru resume. Considering how rarely young associates do anything along the lines of what you do in moot court, it's not much of a game changer. hth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15947787) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:31 PM Author: big garnet boltzmann dopamine Even further, you learn basically nothing. Either you're good at presenting an argument or you're not - a few hours skimming a book and doing it once or twice isn't going to change your personality. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15947816) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 4:04 PM Author: ivory cocky french chef lol
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 9:05 PM Author: Provocative salmon locus reading party lol no one cares about moot court (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15951067) |
Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:25 PM Author: histrionic gunner den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15947770) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:33 PM Author: Kink-friendly Menage Moot Court doesn't matter for shit. I don't even know why people list it on their resume. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15947829) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:34 PM Author: big garnet boltzmann dopamine That's not really true - it doesn't mean much, but there's no reason to leave it off. I'd be more interested in this than some bullshit legal frat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15947849) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:35 PM Author: Kink-friendly Menage I wouldn't list either. Why do people put worthless things on their resume? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15947859) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:36 PM Author: big garnet boltzmann dopamine To show that they did something besides for smoke pot and skip class - I agree it's bullshit, but you have to put something. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15947870) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 4:50 PM Author: pearl out-of-control piazza Not really, this isn't college applications. I didn't have any law schools ECs and had no problem getting a job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15949201) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:33 PM Author: histrionic gunner den i've already put it on my resume. if i decide not to do it i have to notify employers. would they care if they've already given me a callback?
what if they've already given me a offer? |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:44 AM Author: Irradiated umber kitty persian What do you think would happen if you listed it, dropped out, and did NOT notify employers? They don't care, dood. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15969186) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:34 PM Author: Soggy Wrinkle Fortuitous Meteor if you win best brief/oralist at hys then mention it on your resume. other than the mandatory 1L year shit, which if you win can help your resume, joining "THE TEAM" as a 2L is worthless. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15947846) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:47 PM Author: razzmatazz sepia bawdyhouse multi-billionaire precisely; and anyone who didn't figure this out intuitively should be concerned (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15947953) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 2:38 PM Author: Titillating bisexual dilemma affirmative action did you win best brief or just best oralist at HYS moot court? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15948250) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 2:59 PM Author: Smoky shrine Neither, his team got spanked by either Howard or Stetson. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15948359) |
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Date: September 7th, 2010 4:41 PM Author: bipolar tanning salon partner lol moron (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15988281) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:43 PM Author: Irradiated umber kitty persian If you are doing CBs, why do you care about doing moot? You'll know if you have an offer before stuff really starts getting into gear. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15947921) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:47 PM Author: histrionic gunner den i might not. moot court stuff kicks into gear soon. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15947961) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 2:06 PM Author: Irradiated umber kitty persian Regardless, moot court isn't going to get you an offer, one way or another. It'd just be an additional talking point on your resume, that's all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15948076) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 2:09 PM Author: histrionic gunner den i know
i'm more concerned with the effects of telling employers I decided not to do it |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 2:17 PM Author: big garnet boltzmann dopamine omg if you didn't do it's auto-ding for you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15948161) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 2:19 PM Author: histrionic gunner den :( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15948170) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 5:09 PM Author: Irradiated umber kitty persian How are they going to know you decided NOT to do it? You put on your resume:
Activities: Did NOT participate in Moot Court.
Dude, they ask about stuff on your resume, not stuff off it. |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:45 AM Author: Irradiated umber kitty persian Nobody is going to ask, "WHY DIDN'T YOU DO MOOT COURT?!?!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15969192) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 2:57 PM Author: Smoky shrine If the interviewer did Moot Court and was good at Moot Court, they are more likely to cast a negative light on your resume if you have Moot Court on there but never won anything or had a special position.
"Member of Moot Court Board" is not a benefit at all.
Just leave it off unless you won something. |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 2:24 PM Author: boyish garrison new version it has the word moot in it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15948189) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 4:04 PM Author: Exhilarant Legend Lay lol excellent point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15948821) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 2:58 PM Author: Smoky shrine It is pointless unless you win a competition.
Simply being a "member of the Moot Court board/team" isn't that remarkable.
Things of noteworthiness go in this order:
LR EIC of secondary journal Moot Court Champion Mock Trial Champion member of Moot Court Board Member of Mock Trial Board dying in a car fire SBA President |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 3:21 PM Author: Orange rehab kitty cat I would switch the order of Mock Trial champion and Moot Court Champion, and insert a big empty blank space between them. I know plenty of partners who are impressed by Mock Trial sucess. No one cares about Moot Court. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15948515) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 4:02 PM Author: Exhilarant Legend Lay I found that judges were fond of the LR and Moot Court combo. It suggests you're well-rounded. So I wouldn't say moot court is worthless.
That said, moot court is just kind of fun. You get to play appellate lawyer and shit! Good stuff for those of us dorky enough to actually *like* the academic side of law. |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 4:04 PM Author: vibrant forum round eye To be fair,
Lol funzies!!! |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 4:05 PM Author: Exhilarant Legend Lay lulz. I'm a dork, man. It's just the way it be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15948836) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 5:11 PM Author: 180 light indian lodge ROFL at somebody on moot court and LR being well-rounded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15949379) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 5:17 PM Author: Exhilarant Legend Lay It suggests that you research and write well (LR), and that you are good on your feet (MC).
Either way, the "well-rounded" observation came from a judge, not me. |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 8:38 PM Author: Smoky shrine "Good on your feet"?
You must not have seen too many Moot Court matches.
Most matches are only 15 min long. Not to mention you have 2-5 judges asking you a bunch of sophomoric questions regarding a case you spent MONTHS researching.
If you can't respond coherently with that much prep-time then you are a babbling idiot.
Mock Trial is much much more difficult. you actually have to have some kind of personality IN ADDITION to knowing the FRE like the back of your hand. |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 3:05 PM Author: Exhilarant Legend Lay I was also a moot court judge, dipshit.
But I agree that Mock Trial is far more difficult. I excelled at MC, but was a babbling idiot at mock trial because my recall of the FRE was just pisspoor.
I don't believe I addressed the value of Mock Trial, standing alone or in relation to moot court, in any of my above posts. But carry on. |
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Date: September 7th, 2010 4:40 PM Author: Smoky shrine Hey dipshit,
You say "moot court judge" as if that counters any point that I made.
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Date: September 8th, 2010 5:32 AM Author: ocher odious national if you spent enough time on the FRE as you did on your MC briefs/research, then mock trial would be a lot easier. i did both, moot court was more work but also more fun. better competition locales, interesting legal topics, etc.
i also think people underestimate the importance of MC/MT if you're not looking at biglaw.
overall though, do either because you enjoy doing it. argument is fun, working with your teammates is fun, traveling is fun. it's a lot more enjoyable than locking yourself up in a dungeon and cite-checking or working on a note. |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 2:58 PM Author: Smoky shrine tcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15995731) |
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Date: September 7th, 2010 4:56 PM Author: submissive community account Most prestigious mock trial competition? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15988387) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 4:03 PM Author: vibrant forum round eye To be fair,
Let me put it like this: have you ever heard of the "V10"?
...If you don't do moot court, don't worry if you haven't. It's irrelevant to you.
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 5:10 PM Author: Irradiated umber kitty persian Lol, you don't need moot court to go to a V10. Plenty of kids, here, at CLS did no specialized moot court, and are getting offers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15949378) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 5:11 PM Author: vibrant forum round eye To be fair,
Oh good to know, thanks for the correction. |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 5:13 PM Author: Irradiated umber kitty persian To be fair,
You are welcome. |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 8:40 PM Author: Smoky shrine To Be Fairer,
Who the fuck "specializes" in law school? |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 3:27 PM Author: glassy stimulating theater stage tattoo durrrr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15995902) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 8:47 PM Author: Pink comical famous landscape painting Different at H, but for many schools, moot court is pretty competitive and a big deal. LR/Journal + MC/MT are the two credited combos of LS extracirriculars. ITE, not having a journal and MC could be bad. Also, think about the # of people @ your school on both a journal and MC. Probably less than 10%. You stand out amongst peers.
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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:47 AM Author: Irradiated umber kitty persian Not very many people at my CCN care about doing moot court. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15969204) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 9:03 PM Author: judgmental whorehouse What part of NOTHING MATTERS BUT SCHOOL AND 1L GRADES YOU DUMB FUCKING FAGGOT do you not understand? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15951052) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 9:53 AM Author: Sticky twisted school mad-dog skullcap + 1
No one gives a shit. |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:49 AM Author: Irradiated umber kitty persian The thread reminds me of this guy:
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=128817
"It's like being on a journal--it hurts you if you aren't on it. Employers will see it as a gap on the resume and may ask you why you aren't on moot court. I'd work hard to get on so you won't have the gap on the resume, but after that point I wouldn't kill myself putting a lot of effort into it."
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Date: September 5th, 2010 3:00 PM Author: twinkling angry associate travel guidebook lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15970530) |
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Date: September 7th, 2010 8:10 PM Author: gold patrolman lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15989835) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 2:49 PM Author: wonderful sickened meetinghouse roommate secondary journal vs. moot court, which is better? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15970451) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 2:59 PM Author: Irradiated umber kitty persian Do the secondary journal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15970525) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 3:00 PM Author: Sticky twisted school mad-dog skullcap Secondary Journal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15970529) |
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Date: September 6th, 2010 10:53 AM Author: Smoky shrine Secondary journal, and I enjoyed doing Moot Court.
The only way Moot Court would be higher than secondary journal is if you won a Moot Court Champion. |
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Date: September 7th, 2010 4:42 PM Author: Sticky twisted school mad-dog skullcap Pretty much (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15988289) |
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Date: September 7th, 2010 8:20 PM Author: gold patrolman Take the secondary journal, especially because moot court might be more work (it was at my school). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15989915) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 3:26 PM Author: nubile multi-colored heaven factory reset button i dunno at my school Moot Court seems like a big deal and secondary journals aren't known as being much help. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412447&forum_id=2,#15995892) |