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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:20 AM Author: exhilarant sanctuary Taking Qs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944685) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:21 AM Author: Razzmatazz Bull Headed Menage Internal Respiration I'm assuming Tax LLM. NYU? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944692) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:21 AM Author: exhilarant sanctuary You would assume wrong on both counts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944697) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:22 AM Author: Razzmatazz Bull Headed Menage Internal Respiration Explain faggot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944705) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:22 AM Author: exhilarant sanctuary Not going to out myself. So fuck you maggot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944709) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:23 AM Author: Razzmatazz Bull Headed Menage Internal Respiration Lol, you started a taking Qs thread about how your LLM got you BIGLAW and you won't divulge what kind of LLM and what school you got it from?
Lol, go fuck yourself you faggot. |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:25 AM Author: exhilarant sanctuary You want to know the practice and LLM right? Umm, I won't give any specific answers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944730) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:25 AM Author: Razzmatazz Bull Headed Menage Internal Respiration Lol, this thread is going really well, faggot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944744) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:26 AM Author: exhilarant sanctuary I can give general advice, but fuck you. You stink of TTT stench. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944749) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:29 AM Author: Razzmatazz Bull Headed Menage Internal Respiration lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944766) |
Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:24 AM Author: exhilarant sanctuary I am going to let you guys in on a little secret. If you have BIGLAW credentials, but got layoffpwned and LLM can be a good way to retool into a practice that is still going strong. If you are trying to make up for a TTT JD then forget it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944726) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:28 AM Author: Vibrant Background Story Center how very fucking enlightening. try telling us something we don't know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944759) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:29 AM Author: Razzmatazz Bull Headed Menage Internal Respiration He's either flame or just a total retard. I think the latter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944768) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:30 AM Author: exhilarant sanctuary I started this thread because of the Tax LLM thread. Contrary to conventional wisdom, getting a niche & specialized LLM can be a good way to retool yourself (especially if you are fairly junior) and get back into a good job (eg. BIGLAW). Most here did NOT know that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944774) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:31 AM Author: Vibrant Background Story Center what type of LLM faggot? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944778) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:31 AM Author: Razzmatazz Bull Headed Menage Internal Respiration He's worried he's going to out himself by admitting he did an Environmental Law LLM from a TTT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944784) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:33 AM Author: exhilarant sanctuary clever try (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944802) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:32 AM Author: exhilarant sanctuary cannot divulge the specialty. sorry. but as i allude to above. it is a fairly specialized field. i also had top 10 ls credentials before and a pretty good resume to work with. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944791) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:29 AM Author: Misanthropic gaming laptop The conventional wisdom on this board is that an LLM in anything but tax is not worthwhile. Do you agree or disagree with that wisdom and why? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944769) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:31 AM Author: exhilarant sanctuary See above. If you have good credentials (I.e. top 14) and could get biglaw out of law school, then getting an llm to retool your practice can be a good move. Extra points if said llm is in a niche practice. Of course, networking like mad is the key. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944782) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:32 AM Author: Vibrant Background Story Center jesus. fucking. christ. now you're just repeating yourself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944788) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:33 AM Author: exhilarant sanctuary He asked, i answered (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944797) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:32 AM Author: Razzmatazz Bull Headed Menage Internal Respiration "Of course, networking like mad is the key."
Lol faggot |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:35 AM Author: exhilarant sanctuary the good thing about an llm is the networking potential. if you are out of law school and are fairly junior then your network might be fairly small. again if you do some bs llm then it won't help. doing something specialized can definitely help though. fwiw llms dont really do oci, so networking is really the only way. but llm alumni can be very avid supporters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944816) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:35 AM Author: Razzmatazz Bull Headed Menage Internal Respiration lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944826) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:48 AM Author: exhilarant sanctuary lol @ you because i got a biglaw job out of it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944982) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:51 AM Author: Razzmatazz Bull Headed Menage Internal Respiration Yawn. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15945018) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:33 AM Author: Misanthropic gaming laptop what are the best ways to network? i've gotten jack squat from contacting alums. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944792) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:33 AM Author: boyish persian cruise ship For which niche practice areas do you think an LLM would be a good idea? What school range is acceptable? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944794) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:36 AM Author: exhilarant sanctuary look at the program, not the school rank. you want to find a specialized program with a fair number of alumni, as well as a field that has people with said llm in fair numbers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944830) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:37 AM Author: boyish persian cruise ship lol, this has gotta be flame...I gave you a chance to demonstrate a little actual knowledge without providing outable info and you failed completely. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944848) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:42 AM Author: exhilarant sanctuary My program was not at a Top 5 law school, but it was still the best program in the country. I have top 10 ls credentials, summer associate offers, v10 experience. got laid off, used the llm to go into a different practice. there is still a need in said practice and i was able to land a biglaw job. not v10, but i make market. plus the firm is fairly well regarded for this practice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944903) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:32 AM Author: Misanthropic gaming laptop nm. you've already answered. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944785) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:48 AM Author: exhilarant sanctuary Did you go to a t-14 ls? if not, an llm is unlikely to add much value. an llm cannot cover over a ttt jd. it can be good for retooling your skill set and extending your alumni base for networking. i have found llm alumni from my program to be much more supportive than my jd alumni. i suspect though that this is a function of size. my jd alumni probably get a number of emails and calls. my llm alums, not so much. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944977) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:56 AM Author: Misanthropic gaming laptop yeah, t14, but no good work experience. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15945060) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:58 AM Author: exhilarant sanctuary think about an llm but DO A LOT OF RESEARCH. also think HARD about attending if you have to take out debt. it is no guarantee. that said, in your situation it can be a potential way to retool and get back into the game. i must stress again DO YOUR RESEARCH AND DO NOT JUMP INTO AN LLM PROGRAM. most are worthless and will add nothing to your resume. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15945081) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:02 AM Author: exhilarant sanctuary PS - most of the llms in general are wasting time and money. it is incorrect that only tax llms get jobs. in fact, because everyone believes this and so many go and do one, the opposite is true. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15945114) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:35 AM Author: Misanthropic gaming laptop how many people in your firm have an llm? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944825) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:36 AM Author: exhilarant sanctuary me and a partner in my group. that is it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944834) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:47 AM Author: Misanthropic gaming laptop sounds unpromising. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944972) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:51 AM Author: exhilarant sanctuary in my practice it is not all that uncommon. not super common, but the llm is accepted. my advice? do your research and see if that practice has more than a few alums in practice (law firms, corporations or government). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15945012) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:59 AM Author: Misanthropic gaming laptop how did you connect with llm alums? just sending them a note? or through events, cle, etc.? and how did it lead to you getting your current job? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15945083) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:01 AM Author: exhilarant sanctuary professors, events and some notes. guest speakers that were alums would come in and i would introduce myself. you really have to be aggressive if you are going to get a job outside of a JD oci/eip/etc.
another dude in my program with a t-14 got a fed gov job. his position is a good one though and he should be able to move to private practice fairly easily in the future. |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:37 AM Author: Razzmatazz Bull Headed Menage Internal Respiration What are some common LLMs outside of Tax? Environmental is one, I also know some schools have an IP speciality.
Is that about it? |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:37 AM Author: histrionic balding patrolman Unsubtle trolling from Dean Revesz trying to squeeze another $60K out of you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944854) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:40 AM Author: Razzmatazz Bull Headed Menage Internal Respiration CR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944878) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:43 AM Author: exhilarant sanctuary did not attend a top 10 law school llm program (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944914) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:48 AM Author: histrionic balding patrolman stop sending me alumni updates. you are not getting another dime out of me motherfucker. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944984) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:51 AM Author: exhilarant sanctuary i actually went to a better school than nyu. aren't they not even ranked in the top 5 this year? lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15945017) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:52 AM Author: histrionic balding patrolman your flame is terrible and I dont really care. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15945024) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:54 AM Author: exhilarant sanctuary hey you are free to click out of the thread. sorry latham let you go and you feel bitter. but i lost my biglaw job and have now gotten another one. it is directly attributable to my attending my llm program. you want to call flame? fine. doesnt change anything
that said it sucks that most of the shit here is flame so people never believe when people are being dead serious |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:09 AM Author: histrionic balding patrolman spending another $60K to get BACK into biglaw sounds like a booby prize, but if it makes you happy, congrats. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15945163) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:12 AM Author: exhilarant sanctuary no debt to do it. i have increased my earnings from $0 to >$160K. Sounds good to me. when i am ready i will have options to leave biglaw. probably go fed government. oh and i spent about a bit under 40k all said and done. i dont live on campus and already had accomodations there. so not so much extra (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15945193) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:20 AM Author: histrionic balding patrolman its not like your earnings potential was $0 before the LLM. In any case it sounds like you have been at it for about a month. When youa re two years in and still love your job then you can say it was worth it.
part of me feels like the layoff was a blessing (not to mention the $90K) because it gave me an excuse to get away from a shitty industry that is getting much worse due to ITE - I dont mean stability - just QOL.
As I look now I kick myself for considering going back to biglaw. To spend another year tuition to do so would kill me. |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:21 AM Author: exhilarant sanctuary ill make it back in a year or two and then some. at that point i fully intend on moving on. i am in a solid field that i enjoy. small price to pay dooder. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15945256) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:15 AM Author: exhilarant sanctuary btw i have also broken into a field that is a lot more stable than what i was doing (albeit for a very short time) before. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15945219) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:40 AM Author: Razzmatazz Bull Headed Menage Internal Respiration If this is not flame, this guy probably did an LLM in Environmental Law. Outside of Tax, this is the only other feasible "niche speciality" available in BIGLAW.
The only other possibility is IP, but an LLM in IP is not going to do you much good without a science background. And if this guy was T10 with a science background, he probably could have gotten BIGLAW w/o the IP LLM.
Environmental could be useful as an LLM cause the laws in that area can be quite technical. |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:41 AM Author: dull hell cuckold Subtle st. Johns bankruptcy llm trolling (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15944886) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:11 AM Author: Misanthropic gaming laptop are employers still generally just looking at grades when considering hiring an llm? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15945185) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:13 AM Author: exhilarant sanctuary they will look at grades but because llms are one year programs, if you graduate with a job you likely only have a semester of grades. that said, networking is more important than grades at this level. network early and network often. if i did not make it clear above. being in a school/llm environment is easier than if you are just out in the cold (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15945204) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:16 AM Author: Misanthropic gaming laptop so what does the llm show them? just that you've changed directions and that _this_ is the practice area that you're interested in.
does an llm limit you at all? if you get one are you locked into that area for all practical purposes? |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:19 AM Author: exhilarant sanctuary depends on what you do during the year. if you do some practical classes in that field and do an internship (maybe do some other things like moot court, though i did not do that) it can work out. also if you want fed gov then you can apply for honors programs if there are agencies in your field that hire llms.
an llm definitely limits you. you are pretty much going to have to list your specialty on your resume and it will be an auto-ding for other practices. if you do a general llm you are wasting your time and money. |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:29 AM Author: exhilarant sanctuary also if the practice group has a demand it can be a good signaling tool. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15945293) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:37 AM Author: exhilarant sanctuary Alright dudes time to hit the sack.
if there are any more questions i will check back in tomorrow night. |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 1:37 AM Author: Misanthropic gaming laptop thanks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412145&forum_id=2,#15945346) |