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how many 2Ls at CLS/NYU still don't have offers?

just trying to assess the chaos stories i heard in sept
yellow police squad
  02/03/10
I am also interested to hear this.
tantric shrine clown
  02/03/10
Lots. I know ~10 personally. Estimates range all over, 20-50...
Concupiscible hunting ground
  02/03/10
wow
Violet chapel mood
  02/03/10
NYU or CLS?
yellow police squad
  02/04/10
Some say NYU did better than CLS this year because of their ...
bull headed antidepressant drug resort
  02/04/10
that doesn't make much sense...considering the new curve is ...
Bossy Stock Car
  02/04/10
*jizzes on your corn flakes*
overrated slate round eye electric furnace
  02/04/10
Pretty sure NYU's new curve awards 6% more A's compared to C...
Crystalline Hairraiser Home
  02/04/10
Looks like 1L classes are all around 7-12% A's.
Bossy Stock Car
  02/04/10
I mean all A grades (A+, A, A-). The range for all A gra...
Crystalline Hairraiser Home
  02/04/10
Interesting.
Bossy Stock Car
  02/04/10
NYU's new curve also has fewer B-'s than CLS'. NYU: 5% or...
mint hominid death wish
  02/04/10
Close, but not quite correct. At NYU, 4-8% of 1L classes get...
infuriating library
  02/05/10
thanks, i stand corrected. still only half the # of B-'s as...
mint hominid death wish
  02/05/10
That's possible. Of course the curves were never identical. ...
infuriating library
  02/05/10
NYU's median used to be 3.15? (People claim CLS's median is ...
Crystalline Hairraiser Home
  02/05/10
I heard that NYU's old median was around 3.17 and that CLS's...
infuriating library
  02/05/10
What's the deal with A+'s at CLS? Are they given out in most...
infuriating library
  02/05/10
"A+ is a grade to be used sparingly and only for truly ...
Crystalline Hairraiser Home
  02/05/10
That establishes an upper bound but is otherwise unhelpful. ...
infuriating library
  02/05/10
I'm just a 1L but I don't know anyone (1L or otherwise) who ...
Crystalline Hairraiser Home
  02/05/10
They put the distributions online here. It's kinda helpful w...
infuriating library
  02/05/10
By the way, I've been meaning to ask you. You weren't, by an...
Bossy Stock Car
  02/05/10
No. If that's the class taught by Been, though, I certainly ...
infuriating library
  02/05/10
CLS A+s are not common. I know a few 1L professors like to ...
Galvanic Amethyst Market Hairy Legs
  02/05/10
1L friend of mine has one of those A+s.
Disrespectful school cafeteria
  02/05/10
The distribution from 04/05 is available at CLS (same curve ...
Concupiscible hunting ground
  02/05/10
It sounds like there's a material but opaque difference betw...
infuriating library
  02/05/10
too bad america still thinks it's a state school
overrated slate round eye electric furnace
  02/05/10
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overrated slate round eye electric furnace
  02/05/10
what kind of offers would still be coming at this point? fir...
Aphrodisiac Base Candlestick Maker
  02/03/10
the only people i know at those schools without jobs are 3Ls
clear rough-skinned pit
  02/04/10
more than u think. no way to know for sure though cuz no on...
Self-absorbed hideous hospital turdskin
  02/04/10
also cso seems content w/ not finding out. LOL how surpri...
Mind-boggling Erotic Church Trump Supporter
  02/05/10
I know for CLS, we'll have the stats in april when they hand...
Concupiscible hunting ground
  02/05/10
57.8
hilarious vigorous parlour tank
  02/04/10
50%
bull headed antidepressant drug resort
  02/04/10
CLS: ~10% of those wanting biglaw NYU: ~10% of those wantin...
Stimulating casino double fault
  02/04/10
That's optimistic.
cobalt travel guidebook
  02/04/10
Reality, actually. It was not as easy as years past, and it ...
Stimulating casino double fault
  02/04/10
"Cambridge, actually"
overrated slate round eye electric furnace
  02/04/10
Last night CLS dude claimed 2 people on LR struck out. I hav...
cobalt travel guidebook
  02/04/10
I claimed one for sure, other is a rumor.
Concupiscible hunting ground
  02/04/10
what are these two people like? striking out as LR from CLS ...
fear-inspiring self-centered public bath indirect expression
  02/04/10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRZNQ06kWyc
overrated slate round eye electric furnace
  02/04/10
lol nice
fear-inspiring self-centered public bath indirect expression
  02/04/10
The blood shed is overblown, but your estimate is too low.
Concupiscible hunting ground
  02/04/10
What's better? 15% 20% It is surely no more than that. I onl...
Stimulating casino double fault
  02/04/10
Are you including those who struck out with biglaw but lande...
cobalt travel guidebook
  02/04/10
I'd guess 20%. I know at least 10 people without jobs and th...
Concupiscible hunting ground
  02/05/10
That's only true because, for some odd reason, five times as...
Talking coldplay fan stage
  02/04/10
*is inspired by the plight of harlem tenants*
overrated slate round eye electric furnace
  02/04/10
I personally know of about 10-15 ppl at CLS still without of...
mint hominid death wish
  02/05/10
wow. at first i was optimistic for my 2l friends at UVA who ...
Mind-boggling Erotic Church Trump Supporter
  02/05/10
hey man how many dicks do u have to take before it doesn't h...
overrated slate round eye electric furnace
  02/05/10
depends how loose your asshole is to begin with
Mind-boggling Erotic Church Trump Supporter
  02/05/10
titcr, actually
Henna titillating den
  02/05/10
you don't have friends
Poppy fanboi lay
  02/05/10
i have plenty ty
Mind-boggling Erotic Church Trump Supporter
  02/05/10
...
excitant unholy whorehouse
  02/05/10
seems like a lot of people have been going to the pilc fair.
twinkling trip knife
  02/05/10
yeah dude. it's pretty fucked
overrated slate round eye electric furnace
  02/05/10
1Ls or 2Ls?
mint hominid death wish
  02/05/10
lots of 2Ls... including me :/
Self-absorbed hideous hospital turdskin
  02/05/10
CCN?
mint hominid death wish
  02/05/10
Cost of NYU law degree? $40K/year Cost of NYC housing? $1...
Mind-boggling Erotic Church Trump Supporter
  02/05/10
at this point i'd be more than thrilled to have a job at the...
mint hominid death wish
  02/05/10
sad if true how much does the bronx da even pay?
Mind-boggling Erotic Church Trump Supporter
  02/05/10
they pay you with steinbrenner's ball sweat
overrated slate round eye electric furnace
  02/05/10
well what exactly are the other options for someone like me ...
mint hominid death wish
  02/05/10
why does joining the Bronx DA's office necessarily imply a l...
clear rough-skinned pit
  02/05/10
zomg 40k is ok because i am HELPUN PEOPLZ
overrated slate round eye electric furnace
  02/05/10
it's real bad ya'll
Maize chest-beating nursing home
  02/05/10
"I would estimate that half to 75% are still not sure w...
Henna titillating den
  02/05/10
...
excitant unholy whorehouse
  02/05/10
To be fair, I think the deadline for first "expressing ...
cobalt travel guidebook
  02/05/10
which school is this?
mint hominid death wish
  02/05/10
N
Maize chest-beating nursing home
  02/05/10
Holy shit, if true, the rumors about NYU doing better than C...
Concupiscible hunting ground
  02/05/10
W/ transfers the class is around 463. Many of the top half ...
Maize chest-beating nursing home
  02/05/10
I think the class is bigger than that. It's almost 500, no?
cobalt travel guidebook
  02/05/10
How big was last year's 1L class? I know they only took 30 ...
Maize chest-beating nursing home
  02/05/10
...
excitant unholy whorehouse
  02/05/10
I got my figure from a transfer, he could be wrong. You sur...
Maize chest-beating nursing home
  02/05/10
...
excitant unholy whorehouse
  02/05/10
That's less than half the class and probably includes some p...
cobalt travel guidebook
  02/05/10
Even 1/3rd of the class would be shocking at either school, ...
Concupiscible hunting ground
  02/05/10
1/3 without biglaw?
Maize chest-beating nursing home
  02/05/10
Yeah (among those who wanted it).
Concupiscible hunting ground
  02/05/10
That sounds approximately correct.
cobalt travel guidebook
  02/05/10
At least 1/3 of the individuals at CCN that wanted biglaw di...
Maize chest-beating nursing home
  02/05/10
where did you get those data?
Know-it-all gas station ape
  02/05/10
"For sure"? Do you work in CS? Otherwise, how ...
cobalt travel guidebook
  02/05/10
Really? In a normal year, I think NYU placed about 80% into ...
cobalt travel guidebook
  02/05/10
Really? Are you conflating post grad employment with 2L summ...
Concupiscible hunting ground
  02/05/10
No, the 80% number is from the 2L summer employment data OCS...
cobalt travel guidebook
  02/05/10
There are no jobs! Why would anyone be surprised.
Maize chest-beating nursing home
  02/05/10
That sounds like bullshit.
Bossy Stock Car
  02/05/10
229 2Ls from what schools? If you mean columbia/NYU, yo...
Know-it-all gas station ape
  02/05/10
He's talking about N. I looked through my email and wasn't a...
cobalt travel guidebook
  02/05/10
give the general risk-averseness of law students, I would no...
Know-it-all gas station ape
  02/05/10
You might be right here. However, some that did not express...
Maize chest-beating nursing home
  02/05/10
...
excitant unholy whorehouse
  02/05/10
I hear at least 20 columbia 1Ls got firm jobs. Several are m...
Know-it-all gas station ape
  02/05/10
i dont understand this. how do firms have jobs for 1Ls??????...
excitant unholy whorehouse
  02/05/10
connections/straight As/science PhD, etc
Know-it-all gas station ape
  02/05/10
...
excitant unholy whorehouse
  02/05/10
not sure about the range, but I personally know one kid with...
Know-it-all gas station ape
  02/05/10
has to be dpw. they took 1Ls last year too.
excitant unholy whorehouse
  02/05/10
Wachtell did too.
Concupiscible hunting ground
  02/05/10
...
excitant unholy whorehouse
  02/05/10
...
Concupiscible hunting ground
  02/05/10
...
excitant unholy whorehouse
  02/05/10
Different dood, their nalp form says they were hiring 5 1L's...
Concupiscible hunting ground
  02/05/10
Sounds about right, I (non-URM) got a 1L gig last year (at a...
Concupiscible hunting ground
  02/05/10
why did you give your an offer when there was overcapacity? ...
Know-it-all gas station ape
  02/05/10
No clue as to why, I did jack shit all summer too. I have a ...
Concupiscible hunting ground
  02/05/10
almost all the jobs listed for 1L summer at good firms on sy...
overrated slate round eye electric furnace
  02/05/10
...
Disrespectful school cafeteria
  02/05/10
yeah i saw that one. pretty sure i don't have a shot when th...
overrated slate round eye electric furnace
  02/05/10
...
Disrespectful school cafeteria
  02/05/10
lol dude you think that matters
overrated slate round eye electric furnace
  02/05/10
That's how I got my 1L gig.
Concupiscible hunting ground
  02/05/10
fuck you
overrated slate round eye electric furnace
  02/05/10
u mad?
Concupiscible hunting ground
  02/05/10
no u
overrated slate round eye electric furnace
  02/05/10
...
Disrespectful school cafeteria
  02/05/10
what about having a positive attitude and an engaging, warm ...
overrated slate round eye electric furnace
  02/05/10
...
Disrespectful school cafeteria
  02/05/10
what about wearing a power tie and making sure to shake hand...
overrated slate round eye electric furnace
  02/05/10


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Date: February 3rd, 2010 11:36 PM
Author: yellow police squad

just trying to assess the chaos stories i heard in sept

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14008000)



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Date: February 3rd, 2010 11:48 PM
Author: tantric shrine clown

I am also interested to hear this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14008149)



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Date: February 3rd, 2010 11:52 PM
Author: Concupiscible hunting ground

Lots. I know ~10 personally. Estimates range all over, 20-50%, but no one knows for sure.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14008197)



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Date: February 3rd, 2010 11:52 PM
Author: Violet chapel mood

wow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14008202)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 1:29 PM
Author: yellow police squad

NYU or CLS?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14012786)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 3:33 PM
Author: bull headed antidepressant drug resort

Some say NYU did better than CLS this year because of their new curve.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14013899)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 9:07 PM
Author: Bossy Stock Car

that doesn't make much sense...considering the new curve is roughly equivalent to columbia's (the old one was a bit lower).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14017535)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 9:07 PM
Author: overrated slate round eye electric furnace

*jizzes on your corn flakes*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14017542)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 10:44 PM
Author: Crystalline Hairraiser Home

Pretty sure NYU's new curve awards 6% more A's compared to CLS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14018541)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 10:46 PM
Author: Bossy Stock Car

Looks like 1L classes are all around 7-12% A's.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14018576)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 10:54 PM
Author: Crystalline Hairraiser Home

I mean all A grades (A+, A, A-).

The range for all A grades at CLS is 20-25%. At NYU, it's 23-31%.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14018658)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 10:56 PM
Author: Bossy Stock Car

Interesting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14018679)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 11:56 PM
Author: mint hominid death wish

NYU's new curve also has fewer B-'s than CLS'.

NYU: 5% or less B-'s

CLS: 7 to 15%

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14019421)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 12:05 AM
Author: infuriating library

Close, but not quite correct. At NYU, 4-8% of 1L classes get B-'s.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14019569)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 12:09 AM
Author: mint hominid death wish

thanks, i stand corrected. still only half the # of B-'s as CLS.

the new NYU curve has more As and fewer B-'s than the CLS curve, and that probably contributed to NYU fairing better this year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14019624)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 12:22 AM
Author: infuriating library

That's possible. Of course the curves were never identical. Before this, NYU's median was around .05 lower than CLS's. If employers were just comparing GPAs willy nilly, a few NYUers likely got screwed at the margins.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14019857)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 12:24 AM
Author: Crystalline Hairraiser Home

NYU's median used to be 3.15? (People claim CLS's median is 3.2, but I have no idea if that's true)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14019904)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 12:27 AM
Author: infuriating library

I heard that NYU's old median was around 3.17 and that CLS's was around 3.22. Now NYU's is probably around 3.27.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14019956)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 12:08 AM
Author: infuriating library

What's the deal with A+'s at CLS? Are they given out in most classes, or are they rarer than that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14019613)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 12:28 AM
Author: Crystalline Hairraiser Home

"A+ is a grade to be used sparingly and only for truly extraordinary performance. There should be no more than one A+ in a class and the grade should not be used automatically for the top performance in the class if that performance is not extraordinary."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14019969)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 12:32 AM
Author: infuriating library

That establishes an upper bound but is otherwise unhelpful. Have you glanced at grade distributions and established some sense of the frequency with which they're distributed?

At NYU they're discretionary and usually capped at 1 person, but I get the sense that most of the profs think they're supposed to give them out on a regular basis.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14020022)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 12:36 AM
Author: Crystalline Hairraiser Home

I'm just a 1L but I don't know anyone (1L or otherwise) who has an A+. Where would I find this distribution? The registrar?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14020076)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 12:43 AM
Author: infuriating library

They put the distributions online here. It's kinda helpful when you're selecting classes--you want to avoid the profs who make a habit of giving out C's and D's.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14020202)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 12:47 AM
Author: Bossy Stock Car

By the way, I've been meaning to ask you. You weren't, by any chance, in land use reg. last term were you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14020250)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:08 AM
Author: infuriating library

No. If that's the class taught by Been, though, I certainly wanted to take it for the reason you're thinking about.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14022520)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 9:25 PM
Author: Galvanic Amethyst Market Hairy Legs

CLS A+s are not common. I know a few 1L professors like to give them out pretty much every time they teach (Liebman for crim), but otherwise I don't know about how common they are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14028434)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 9:47 PM
Author: Disrespectful school cafeteria

1L friend of mine has one of those A+s.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14028563)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:51 AM
Author: Concupiscible hunting ground

The distribution from 04/05 is available at CLS (same curve as today) and very very few classes gave out an A+. I also know that my crim law professor, who gave out the distribution on his own, awarded 1 A+ in the last 12 years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14022567)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 11:25 AM
Author: infuriating library

It sounds like there's a material but opaque difference between the two school on this point. I suspect NYU students will benefit from this for at least a little while.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14023517)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 1:54 PM
Author: overrated slate round eye electric furnace

too bad america still thinks it's a state school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14024552)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 1:53 PM
Author: overrated slate round eye electric furnace



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14024546)



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Date: February 3rd, 2010 11:55 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac Base Candlestick Maker

what kind of offers would still be coming at this point? firms or more like volunteer stuff?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14008249)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 12:08 AM
Author: clear rough-skinned pit

the only people i know at those schools without jobs are 3Ls

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14008472)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 1:35 AM
Author: Self-absorbed hideous hospital turdskin

more than u think. no way to know for sure though cuz no one goes around bragging about not getting a SA position. also cso seems content w/ not finding out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14009863)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:58 AM
Author: Mind-boggling Erotic Church Trump Supporter

also cso seems content w/ not finding out.

LOL how surprising....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14022579)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 8:02 AM
Author: Concupiscible hunting ground

I know for CLS, we'll have the stats in april when they hand out the EIP stats to the 1L's (unless they try to cover it up by not releasing them this year).

They also did an online survey about callbacks and rumor (completely unsubstantiated) was that almost 40 people had zero callbacks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14022584)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 1:30 PM
Author: hilarious vigorous parlour tank

57.8

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14012791)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 3:32 PM
Author: bull headed antidepressant drug resort

50%

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14013893)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 8:05 PM
Author: Stimulating casino double fault

CLS: ~10% of those wanting biglaw

NYU: ~10% of those wanting biglaw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14016823)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 9:05 PM
Author: cobalt travel guidebook

That's optimistic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14017522)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 9:29 PM
Author: Stimulating casino double fault

Reality, actually. It was not as easy as years past, and it was far from guaranteed, but the bloodshed reported on this site is a little overblown.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14017724)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 9:33 PM
Author: overrated slate round eye electric furnace

"Cambridge, actually"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14017744)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 9:47 PM
Author: cobalt travel guidebook

Last night CLS dude claimed 2 people on LR struck out. I have a hard time reconciling that with your assertion, couched though it may be in "those who wanted it" language.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14017875)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 9:48 PM
Author: Concupiscible hunting ground

I claimed one for sure, other is a rumor.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14017891)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 10:21 PM
Author: fear-inspiring self-centered public bath indirect expression

what are these two people like? striking out as LR from CLS is pretty egregious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14018277)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 10:24 PM
Author: overrated slate round eye electric furnace

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRZNQ06kWyc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14018314)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 10:31 PM
Author: fear-inspiring self-centered public bath indirect expression

lol nice

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14018411)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 9:47 PM
Author: Concupiscible hunting ground

The blood shed is overblown, but your estimate is too low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14017880)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 9:54 PM
Author: Stimulating casino double fault

What's better? 15% 20% It is surely no more than that. I only know one person without one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14017988)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 10:25 PM
Author: cobalt travel guidebook

Are you including those who struck out with biglaw but landed some other random job (gov't, PI, etc.) in the pile of gainfully employed 2Ls? I suppose that would be technically correct, but given the fact that most of those positions do not lead to full time positions after law school, it would be a bit deceptive to lump them in there with the people who managed to land biglaw jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14018326)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:53 AM
Author: Concupiscible hunting ground

I'd guess 20%. I know at least 10 people without jobs and those are only the people who admit to it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14022571)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 9:48 PM
Author: Talking coldplay fan stage

That's only true because, for some odd reason, five times as many people don't want biglaw this year. I'm sure the fact that there aren't nearly as many available positions is just a coincidence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14017886)



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Date: February 4th, 2010 9:57 PM
Author: overrated slate round eye electric furnace

*is inspired by the plight of harlem tenants*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14018014)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 12:00 AM
Author: mint hominid death wish

I personally know of about 10-15 ppl at CLS still without offers, and my social circle isn't exactly big. My guess would be that anywhere from 50 to 75 2Ls still don't have anything lined up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14019459)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:27 AM
Author: Mind-boggling Erotic Church Trump Supporter

wow. at first i was optimistic for my 2l friends at UVA who have no jobs this summer lined up. but if the kids from columbia/nyu aren't landing anything, i'm afraid to say that my poor uva friends are FUCKT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14022525)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 1:54 PM
Author: overrated slate round eye electric furnace

hey man how many dicks do u have to take before it doesn't hurt anymore

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14024550)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 5:21 PM
Author: Mind-boggling Erotic Church Trump Supporter

depends how loose your asshole is to begin with

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026316)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 5:24 PM
Author: Henna titillating den

titcr, actually

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026330)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 1:56 PM
Author: Poppy fanboi lay

you don't have friends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14024558)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 5:21 PM
Author: Mind-boggling Erotic Church Trump Supporter

i have plenty ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026312)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 1:24 PM
Author: excitant unholy whorehouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14024336)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 1:58 PM
Author: twinkling trip knife

seems like a lot of people have been going to the pilc fair.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14024574)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 2:00 PM
Author: overrated slate round eye electric furnace

yeah dude. it's pretty fucked

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14024581)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 4:31 PM
Author: mint hominid death wish

1Ls or 2Ls?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14025886)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 4:42 PM
Author: Self-absorbed hideous hospital turdskin

lots of 2Ls... including me :/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026019)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 5:10 PM
Author: mint hominid death wish

CCN?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026252)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 5:35 PM
Author: Mind-boggling Erotic Church Trump Supporter

Cost of NYU law degree? $40K/year

Cost of NYC housing? $14K/year

Cost of 3 years of NYC bar hopping? $10K

Cost of your lost pride at having graduated from NYU Law and joining the ranks of the Bronx DA? Immeasureable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026394)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 5:38 PM
Author: mint hominid death wish

at this point i'd be more than thrilled to have a job at the bronx DA's office upon graduation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026422)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:52 PM
Author: Mind-boggling Erotic Church Trump Supporter

sad if true

how much does the bronx da even pay?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027495)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:53 PM
Author: overrated slate round eye electric furnace

they pay you with steinbrenner's ball sweat

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027500)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 10:06 PM
Author: mint hominid death wish

well what exactly are the other options for someone like me who struck out at 2L OCI?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14028652)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 8:32 PM
Author: clear rough-skinned pit

why does joining the Bronx DA's office necessarily imply a loss of pride

fuck you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027821)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 8:33 PM
Author: overrated slate round eye electric furnace

zomg 40k is ok because i am HELPUN PEOPLZ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027827)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:24 PM
Author: Maize chest-beating nursing home
Subject: it's real bad ya'll

Public Interest department sent out email one month ago overcome with joy at the 229 2Ls that had expressed the desire to work in public interest and receive PILC funding. Of that 50% of the class, I would estimate that half to 75% are still not sure where they will be volunteering their services this summer. The competition is fierce. The halls have been lined with their perky smiles and sunken eyes. 25% will basically strike out and will end up RAing or working for some school affiliated institution, if they are lucky.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026839)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:27 PM
Author: Henna titillating den

"I would estimate that half to 75% are still not sure where they will be volunteering their services this summer. The competition is fierce. The halls have been lined with their perky smiles and sunken eyes."

reminded me of the great WUSTL thread; time for a CCN edition?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026865)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:29 PM
Author: excitant unholy whorehouse

...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026877)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:41 PM
Author: cobalt travel guidebook

To be fair, I think the deadline for first "expressing interest" in PILC funding was way back at the beginning of september last year, so it's pretty likely that some of those students were applying out of an abundance of caution--I certainly considered doing as much.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026961)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:29 PM
Author: mint hominid death wish

which school is this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026878)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:30 PM
Author: Maize chest-beating nursing home

N

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026887)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:35 PM
Author: Concupiscible hunting ground

Holy shit, if true, the rumors about NYU doing better than CLS are wrong.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026922)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:42 PM
Author: Maize chest-beating nursing home

W/ transfers the class is around 463. Many of the top half students are doing the PILC fair because they did not want big law, this is at least 10%. This leaves approximately 40% of the bottom halvers fighting for public interest jobs. I do not know how anyone can assess who is doing better with these incomplete numbers. Anyways, better than this shit can still be shit. I don't think anyone is quite ready to pull out their data.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026976)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:43 PM
Author: cobalt travel guidebook

I think the class is bigger than that. It's almost 500, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026980)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:44 PM
Author: Maize chest-beating nursing home

How big was last year's 1L class? I know they only took 30 transfers and at least 5 kids have dropped out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026995)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:46 PM
Author: excitant unholy whorehouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027005)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:48 PM
Author: Maize chest-beating nursing home

I got my figure from a transfer, he could be wrong. You sure?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027020)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:55 PM
Author: excitant unholy whorehouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027082)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:42 PM
Author: cobalt travel guidebook

That's less than half the class and probably includes some people who ended up securing biglaw jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026977)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:44 PM
Author: Concupiscible hunting ground

Even 1/3rd of the class would be shocking at either school, if confirmed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026993)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:45 PM
Author: Maize chest-beating nursing home

1/3 without biglaw?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027000)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:48 PM
Author: Concupiscible hunting ground

Yeah (among those who wanted it).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027019)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:51 PM
Author: cobalt travel guidebook

That sounds approximately correct.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027038)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:52 PM
Author: Maize chest-beating nursing home

At least 1/3 of the individuals at CCN that wanted biglaw did not get it. For sure. Life is a bitch sometime.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027045)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:53 PM
Author: Know-it-all gas station ape

where did you get those data?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027056)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:02 PM
Author: cobalt travel guidebook

"For sure"?

Do you work in CS? Otherwise, how the fuck can you say anything with certainty?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027149)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:48 PM
Author: cobalt travel guidebook

Really? In a normal year, I think NYU placed about 80% into firms. I think about 1/2 of the remaining 20% sought PILC funding as a last resort. I wouldn't be surprised if that 80% dropped to 60% or lower last year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027026)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:52 PM
Author: Concupiscible hunting ground

Really? Are you conflating post grad employment with 2L summer employment? At CLS, the 2007 stats show that 398 took a 2L SA, which = 93% of the class. Post grad only 80% are at firms (due to no-offers, clerks, and people who never wanted to work for a firm but still wanted the 2L summer cash).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027052)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:00 PM
Author: cobalt travel guidebook

No, the 80% number is from the 2L summer employment data OCS distributed to us last year. I think NYU has more students who are interested in public service than does CLS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027131)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:53 PM
Author: Maize chest-beating nursing home

There are no jobs! Why would anyone be surprised.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027059)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:37 PM
Author: Bossy Stock Car

That sounds like bullshit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026933)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:43 PM
Author: Know-it-all gas station ape

229 2Ls from what schools?

If you mean columbia/NYU, you are flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14026988)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:54 PM
Author: cobalt travel guidebook

He's talking about N. I looked through my email and wasn't able to find the number he's talking about. But even if it's correct, as I mentioned above, the deadline for "expressing interest" was before most firms had extended offers, making it highly likely that the number quoted includes quite a few people who applied for funding out of caution rather than necessity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027070)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:57 PM
Author: Know-it-all gas station ape

give the general risk-averseness of law students, I would not be surprised if all the LR kids expressed interest for safety. The data is useless.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027106)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 6:59 PM
Author: Maize chest-beating nursing home

You might be right here. However, some that did not express interest at that time had to subsequently catch up on their obligations. The summary of my story is that at least 25% of the class is really nervous right now and will be strown amongst the small public interest internships that will have them and that at least 1/3 of the people that wanted biglaw did not get it. Not a shocker, there are no jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027130)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:02 PM
Author: excitant unholy whorehouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027156)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:04 PM
Author: Know-it-all gas station ape

I hear at least 20 columbia 1Ls got firm jobs. Several are minority.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027162)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:05 PM
Author: excitant unholy whorehouse

i dont understand this. how do firms have jobs for 1Ls???????

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027167)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:08 PM
Author: Know-it-all gas station ape

connections/straight As/science PhD, etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027195)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:09 PM
Author: excitant unholy whorehouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027204)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:10 PM
Author: Know-it-all gas station ape

not sure about the range, but I personally know one kid with an offer from a V5. The kid got all As last semester and had a science background.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027213)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:12 PM
Author: excitant unholy whorehouse

has to be dpw. they took 1Ls last year too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027224)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:13 PM
Author: Concupiscible hunting ground

Wachtell did too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027235)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:14 PM
Author: excitant unholy whorehouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027241)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:17 PM
Author: Concupiscible hunting ground



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027259)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:20 PM
Author: excitant unholy whorehouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027285)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:21 PM
Author: Concupiscible hunting ground

Different dood, their nalp form says they were hiring 5 1L's.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027287)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:08 PM
Author: Concupiscible hunting ground

Sounds about right, I (non-URM) got a 1L gig last year (at a firm that did layoffs a month after they offered me) as did a couple of my friends even though there was supposedly no market for 1L's.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027198)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:14 PM
Author: Know-it-all gas station ape

why did you give your an offer when there was overcapacity? did you get the offer from the same firm for 2L summer?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027246)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:20 PM
Author: Concupiscible hunting ground

No clue as to why, I did jack shit all summer too. I have a return offer for this summer (2 week type thing) and another offer at different firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027283)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:23 PM
Author: overrated slate round eye electric furnace

almost all the jobs listed for 1L summer at good firms on symplicity are "diversity fellowships" or some such

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027292)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:31 PM
Author: Disrespectful school cafeteria



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027344)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:32 PM
Author: overrated slate round eye electric furnace

yeah i saw that one. pretty sure i don't have a shot when they get 200+ cls apps

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027349)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:35 PM
Author: Disrespectful school cafeteria



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027367)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:41 PM
Author: overrated slate round eye electric furnace

lol dude you think that matters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027403)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:42 PM
Author: Concupiscible hunting ground

That's how I got my 1L gig.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027408)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:43 PM
Author: overrated slate round eye electric furnace

fuck you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027413)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:44 PM
Author: Concupiscible hunting ground

u mad?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027428)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:47 PM
Author: overrated slate round eye electric furnace

no u

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027453)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:44 PM
Author: Disrespectful school cafeteria



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027425)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:44 PM
Author: overrated slate round eye electric furnace

what about having a positive attitude and an engaging, warm smile?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027429)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:45 PM
Author: Disrespectful school cafeteria



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027439)



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Date: February 5th, 2010 7:46 PM
Author: overrated slate round eye electric furnace

what about wearing a power tie and making sure to shake hands and make eye contact? what about having 1L business cards?

Yeah dude be careful to delete, to make sure no one OUTS YOU

nigger

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1211796&forum_id=2,#14027447)