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Stimulating fantasy-prone public bath
  10/31/25
Good goy
contagious immigrant crotch
  10/31/25
I have 1.1 million points
Stimulating fantasy-prone public bath
  10/31/25
That’s $15k of travel
doobsian old irish cottage
  11/01/25
Also credit cards are 180 I get a lot more from Chase than I...
Stimulating fantasy-prone public bath
  10/31/25
They are 180
doobsian old irish cottage
  11/01/25
...
Plum confused boistinker den
  11/01/25
nice... I'll check that out. I've got about 2 million poi...
electric orchid chad
  10/31/25
how to spend? what is best deal? just convert to miles? i ha...
Exhilarant hateful toilet seat
  10/31/25
Well, you get the best redemption value by converting them t...
electric orchid chad
  10/31/25
Wow. Impressive, I don’t have any points and I’v...
Self-centered Gay Wizard Garrison
  10/31/25
Do you not use a credit card for your daily life
Stimulating fantasy-prone public bath
  10/31/25
I have 8 credit cards man
Self-centered Gay Wizard Garrison
  10/31/25
I don’t even have the United app on my phone. lol.
Self-centered Gay Wizard Garrison
  10/31/25
how do u change seat
Exhilarant hateful toilet seat
  11/01/25
Never tried
Self-centered Gay Wizard Garrison
  11/01/25
Jesus H Christ
Black Institution Place Of Business
  11/01/25
Southwest is way too inconvenient to fly for me. They’...
Self-centered Gay Wizard Garrison
  10/31/25
I like some of the IHG branded hotels, like Holiday Inn, but...
Self-centered Gay Wizard Garrison
  10/31/25
I enjoy kimptons They all have a happy hour and I drink l...
Stimulating fantasy-prone public bath
  10/31/25
Never been to a Kimptons
Self-centered Gay Wizard Garrison
  11/01/25
Kimptons are famously dog friendly and have a chic lite atmo...
galvanic associate pisswyrm
  11/01/25
I fucking hate dogs.
Self-centered Gay Wizard Garrison
  11/01/25
you need to get raped with a baseball bat
Tan wrinkle point
  11/01/25
Ok, then feel free to jump off a really tall bridge.
Black Institution Place Of Business
  11/02/25
I know. If all your shitty qualities this is among the worst
galvanic associate pisswyrm
  11/02/25
Kimptons generally have great restaurants and are always in ...
Black Institution Place Of Business
  11/02/25
That's why I stayed at Marriott properties only when I trave...
Plum confused boistinker den
  11/01/25
This
doobsian old irish cottage
  11/01/25
Idk, I've stayed at some very good Marriott properties. The...
Black Institution Place Of Business
  11/01/25
Courtyard in downtown Rochester NY is top shelf. You can ord...
Self-centered Gay Wizard Garrison
  11/01/25
That's what I do when I visit my home office. It is cheap i...
Black Institution Place Of Business
  11/01/25
IHG has a few really good brands but they're Kimpton and Int...
Black Institution Place Of Business
  11/01/25
How is that possible? I travel about once a month (domestic...
Black Institution Place Of Business
  11/01/25
Amex platinum is better imo
stirring rehab
  10/31/25
Agreed.. I have both Amex platinums and CSR and barely use t...
Rose cruise ship
  11/01/25
i have both but i put more spending on the chase card. more ...
Hairraiser Ladyboy
  11/01/25
Then why do both?
doobsian old irish cottage
  11/01/25
Perks from the amex card pay for itself
Hairraiser Ladyboy
  11/01/25
other than the (rather crowded) airport lounges, what perks ...
doobsian old irish cottage
  11/01/25
they offer similar perks, but i get enough value from the ca...
Hairraiser Ladyboy
  11/01/25
so $1200 in fees / $14-1600 in benefits. So net $2-300?
doobsian old irish cottage
  11/02/25
Idk there are other benefits i use too that I prob wouldn't ...
Hairraiser Ladyboy
  11/02/25
sounds like you're marginally ahead with Amex card. Chase is...
doobsian old irish cottage
  11/02/25
Most of my spend goes on the csr, the points are indeed bet...
Hairraiser Ladyboy
  11/02/25
Are you paying 2700/year in fees? Just pick one
galvanic associate pisswyrm
  11/01/25
...
Black Institution Place Of Business
  11/01/25
...
Stimulating fantasy-prone public bath
  11/01/25
i'm actually kind of pissed about the new benefits because i...
Fishy very tactful menage
  11/01/25
what new benefit is best?
Exhilarant hateful toilet seat
  11/01/25
For me, it's the $300 stubhub credit. For travel shrews, ...
Fishy very tactful menage
  11/03/25
How do you guys get so many points? I only have like 800k
offensive ticket booth love of her life
  11/01/25
This seems worse than the Amex Plat which gives you "fr...
Gay comical kitchen
  11/01/25
Both Amex Platinum and CSR seem shitty to me. You're better...
Black Institution Place Of Business
  11/01/25
Apple TV is a hidden gem imo. Foundation, silo, for all man...
Out-of-control nubile field
  11/01/25
this
doobsian old irish cottage
  11/01/25
THE THINKING MAN'S GOYSLOP!
overrated lettuce orchestra pit
  11/01/25
hehe
Unhinged Senate
  11/01/25
but let's address the real question- which one gives you BON...
doobsian old irish cottage
  11/03/25
...
Apoplectic range queen of the night
  11/03/25
The top tier Amex Brilliant gives you BONVOY PLATINUM ELITE ...
Black Institution Place Of Business
  11/03/25
how much is that per year? $1400?
doobsian old irish cottage
  11/03/25
$650, and you get $300 in restaurant credit which is a no-br...
Black Institution Place Of Business
  11/03/25
The devaluation of the travel points from 1.5x to 1.25x is d...
Bisexual set
  11/03/25
Agreed. That was an easy way to get positive value from the ...
Embarrassed to the bone aqua meetinghouse boltzmann
  11/03/25


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Date: October 31st, 2025 8:35 PM
Author: Stimulating fantasy-prone public bath

Free Apple TV

free Apple Music

Since I’ve already spent $75k this year I get free $500 southwest airline credit, free $250 the shops at chase credit, free southwest a list. IHG Hotels diamond elite status.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49391717)



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Date: October 31st, 2025 8:36 PM
Author: contagious immigrant crotch

Good goy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49391719)



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Date: October 31st, 2025 8:38 PM
Author: Stimulating fantasy-prone public bath

I have 1.1 million points

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49391721)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 1:52 PM
Author: doobsian old irish cottage

That’s $15k of travel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49392933)



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Date: October 31st, 2025 8:41 PM
Author: Stimulating fantasy-prone public bath

Also credit cards are 180 I get a lot more from Chase than I give them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49391725)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 1:56 PM
Author: doobsian old irish cottage

They are 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49392947)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 1:40 PM
Author: Plum confused boistinker den



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49392903)



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Date: October 31st, 2025 8:37 PM
Author: electric orchid chad

nice... I'll check that out.

I've got about 2 million points and need to spend them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49391720)



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Date: October 31st, 2025 8:44 PM
Author: Exhilarant hateful toilet seat

how to spend? what is best deal? just convert to miles? i have 300k

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49391731)



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Date: October 31st, 2025 8:48 PM
Author: electric orchid chad

Well, you get the best redemption value by converting them to travel/hotel partners and use them for business class and 4-5 star hotels. I'm frugal so I just use them for economy class flights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49391740)



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Date: October 31st, 2025 8:41 PM
Author: Self-centered Gay Wizard Garrison

Wow. Impressive, I don’t have any points and I’ve never redeemed anything for anything anywhere. I must have been on 200 united flights. Still not silver tier or anything. 100,000 lifetime flight miles. Lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49391726)



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Date: October 31st, 2025 8:41 PM
Author: Stimulating fantasy-prone public bath

Do you not use a credit card for your daily life

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49391727)



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Date: October 31st, 2025 8:43 PM
Author: Self-centered Gay Wizard Garrison

I have 8 credit cards man

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49391729)



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Date: October 31st, 2025 8:44 PM
Author: Self-centered Gay Wizard Garrison

I don’t even have the United app on my phone. lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49391730)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 2:48 PM
Author: Exhilarant hateful toilet seat

how do u change seat

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49393095)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 2:49 PM
Author: Self-centered Gay Wizard Garrison

Never tried

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49393098)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 5:11 PM
Author: Black Institution Place Of Business

Jesus H Christ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49393492)



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Date: October 31st, 2025 8:44 PM
Author: Self-centered Gay Wizard Garrison

Southwest is way too inconvenient to fly for me. They’d have to be like $500 cheaper for me to even consider.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49391732)



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Date: October 31st, 2025 8:47 PM
Author: Self-centered Gay Wizard Garrison

I like some of the IHG branded hotels, like Holiday Inn, but Hyatt offers a better experience.

When traveling for business I find something in the Marriott line because I really enjoy how sterile and purposefully unoffending their properties are. It makes me feel cheap and expendable which I am. Good reminder. Like a sharp kick to the balls.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49391736)



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Date: October 31st, 2025 8:50 PM
Author: Stimulating fantasy-prone public bath

I enjoy kimptons

They all have a happy hour and I drink like 4 glasses of wine during them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49391744)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 1:40 PM
Author: Self-centered Gay Wizard Garrison

Never been to a Kimptons

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49392902)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 3:15 PM
Author: galvanic associate pisswyrm

Kimptons are famously dog friendly and have a chic lite atmosphere. Not your scene

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49393143)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 3:21 PM
Author: Self-centered Gay Wizard Garrison

I fucking hate dogs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49393157)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 4:00 PM
Author: Tan wrinkle point

you need to get raped with a baseball bat

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49393252)



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Date: November 2nd, 2025 1:56 AM
Author: Black Institution Place Of Business

Ok, then feel free to jump off a really tall bridge.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49394496)



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Date: November 2nd, 2025 5:01 PM
Author: galvanic associate pisswyrm

I know. If all your shitty qualities this is among the worst

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49395966)



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Date: November 2nd, 2025 7:20 PM
Author: Black Institution Place Of Business

Kimptons generally have great restaurants and are always in cool locations. Service is always top notch and if you're IHG diamond you often get good upgrades (Marriott pretty much never gives you spontaneous upgrades for being Platinum elite). However, Marriott will give you 4pm late checkout consistently which is priceless for business travel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49396309)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 1:42 PM
Author: Plum confused boistinker den

That's why I stayed at Marriott properties only when I traveled. I've seen hundreds of paintings, drawings, lithographs, etc. of every combination of fruit you can imagine.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49392914)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 1:53 PM
Author: doobsian old irish cottage

This

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49392938)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 5:17 PM
Author: Black Institution Place Of Business

Idk, I've stayed at some very good Marriott properties. The Residence Inn in Richmond, VA gives you basically a nice apartment if you get the corner suite and is in a great location downtown.

Some of the Marriotts in the DC area are also great. Obviously, you don't go to a Courtyard and expect it to rival an Intercontinental or Kimpton.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49393508)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 5:27 PM
Author: Self-centered Gay Wizard Garrison

Courtyard in downtown Rochester NY is top shelf. You can order yourself a garbage plate on door dash and dine in comfort.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49393532)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 5:29 PM
Author: Black Institution Place Of Business

That's what I do when I visit my home office. It is cheap in points so it costs me nothing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49393537)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 5:14 PM
Author: Black Institution Place Of Business

IHG has a few really good brands but they're Kimpton and Intercontinental. Kimpton is my go to for personal travel (I always bring my huge dog and they have no pet restrictions and they're generally a 4 star hotel).

The only impressive Holiday Inns seem to be abroad (some in Mexico are hilariously nice and have room service and shit).

Also, the IHG top tier CC is very cheap and gives you Platinum status ($40k gets you Diamond), plus accumulates points rapidly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49393503)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 5:11 PM
Author: Black Institution Place Of Business

How is that possible? I travel about once a month (domestic, not international) + have the United Club CC and I'm Gold (just met the renewal criteria for another year last month).

I'm constantly paying for hotel stays with points.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49393490)



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Date: October 31st, 2025 8:46 PM
Author: stirring rehab

Amex platinum is better imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49391735)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 1:28 AM
Author: Rose cruise ship

Agreed.. I have both Amex platinums and CSR and barely use the last one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49392077)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 1:56 PM
Author: Hairraiser Ladyboy

i have both but i put more spending on the chase card. more chance for bonus points and the redemptions rates are generally better

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49392949)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 4:33 PM
Author: doobsian old irish cottage

Then why do both?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49393343)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 4:56 PM
Author: Hairraiser Ladyboy

Perks from the amex card pay for itself

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49393419)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 4:57 PM
Author: doobsian old irish cottage

other than the (rather crowded) airport lounges, what perks does amex offer than chase does not?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49393426)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 7:48 PM
Author: Hairraiser Ladyboy

they offer similar perks, but i get enough value from the card to make it worth it. $400 restaurant credit i'd spend anyway. $600 hotel credit id spend anyway and the perks at fhr properties are incredible. $200 uber i'd spend anyway. $200 airline credit can just buy $ to put in united account bank. $300 digital entertainment credit i'd spend anyway. it pays for itself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49393757)



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Date: November 2nd, 2025 8:58 AM
Author: doobsian old irish cottage

so $1200 in fees / $14-1600 in benefits. So net $2-300?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49394822)



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Date: November 2nd, 2025 10:09 AM
Author: Hairraiser Ladyboy

Idk there are other benefits i use too that I prob wouldn't of i didn't have the credit, like $300 Lululemon. That's worth nonzero but less than full price. And the points are worth 0.01 each and I prob get 50-75,000 or a year. Point is, I'm way ahead with the card

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49394936)



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Date: November 2nd, 2025 4:28 PM
Author: doobsian old irish cottage

sounds like you're marginally ahead with Amex card. Chase is a clear win given that points convert to travel $ at 0.015

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49395877)



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Date: November 2nd, 2025 4:58 PM
Author: Hairraiser Ladyboy

Most of my spend goes on the csr, the points are indeed better

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49395961)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 3:16 PM
Author: galvanic associate pisswyrm

Are you paying 2700/year in fees? Just pick one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49393145)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 4:35 PM
Author: Black Institution Place Of Business



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49393354)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 12:27 AM
Author: Stimulating fantasy-prone public bath



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49392028)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 3:04 PM
Author: Fishy very tactful menage

i'm actually kind of pissed about the new benefits because it's going to force me to keep the card and swallow their fee increase like a chump.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49393125)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 4:21 PM
Author: Exhilarant hateful toilet seat

what new benefit is best?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49393288)



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Date: November 3rd, 2025 10:24 AM
Author: Fishy very tactful menage

For me, it's the $300 stubhub credit.

For travel shrews, it's probably the increased points on shit booked thru the Chase portal, the $300 dining credits/table reservations, and $500 hotel credits for their fancy hotels.

For sweatpants gfs, it's the Apple+, Peloton, Doordash credits.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49397437)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 3:54 PM
Author: offensive ticket booth love of her life

How do you guys get so many points? I only have like 800k

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49393243)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 3:57 PM
Author: Gay comical kitchen

This seems worse than the Amex Plat which gives you "free" Disney+/Hulu/ESPN and some other digital credits, plus all the travel crap.

Apple TV is straight trash.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49393247)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 4:36 PM
Author: Black Institution Place Of Business

Both Amex Platinum and CSR seem shitty to me. You're better off picking a top shelf airline card and a top shelf hotel card and using those. I am probably getting Chase Sapphire Preferred so that I can transfer my 50k chase points into United miles when they run another 100k point intro bonus.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49393358)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 4:38 PM
Author: Out-of-control nubile field

Apple TV is a hidden gem imo. Foundation, silo, for all mankind- all were 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49393363)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 4:58 PM
Author: doobsian old irish cottage

this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49393427)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 6:02 PM
Author: overrated lettuce orchestra pit

THE THINKING MAN'S GOYSLOP!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49393587)



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Date: November 1st, 2025 5:14 PM
Author: Unhinged Senate

hehe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49393499)



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Date: November 3rd, 2025 6:06 AM
Author: doobsian old irish cottage

but let's address the real question- which one gives you BONVOY GOLD ELITE status?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49397066)



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Date: November 3rd, 2025 10:25 AM
Author: Apoplectic range queen of the night



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49397440)



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Date: November 3rd, 2025 2:12 PM
Author: Black Institution Place Of Business

The top tier Amex Brilliant gives you BONVOY PLATINUM ELITE status!!!1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49398195)



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Date: November 3rd, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: doobsian old irish cottage

how much is that per year? $1400?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49398327)



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Date: November 3rd, 2025 5:17 PM
Author: Black Institution Place Of Business

$650, and you get $300 in restaurant credit which is a no-brainer. And you do get Priority Pass lounge access plus a free night up to 85k points. Pretty easy to come out ahead.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49398764)



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Date: November 3rd, 2025 5:19 PM
Author: Bisexual set

The devaluation of the travel points from 1.5x to 1.25x is devastating

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49398772)



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Date: November 3rd, 2025 5:38 PM
Author: Embarrassed to the bone aqua meetinghouse boltzmann

Agreed. That was an easy way to get positive value from the points without feeling like a weirdo spending 4 hours reading blogs about how to maximize value. Transferring to Hyatt seems to be universally regarded as a good use of Chase UR points. I just did this and got about 3.5 cents per point for a peak holiday weekend stay at a level 6.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5792182&forum_id=2/#49398836)