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Date: December 16th, 2025 10:04 AM Author: electric box office faggot firefighter https://www.cnbc.com/2025/12/15/ford-ev-pullback.html
DETROIT — Ford Motor expects to record about $19.5 billion in special items related to a restructuring of its business priorities and a pullback in its all-electric vehicle investments, the company announced Monday. |
Date: December 16th, 2025 10:06 AM Author: Aquamarine Big Heaven entire US auto industry is trash and only survives cause of protectionaism, its like how india protected those ambassador shit cars for decades (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49513407) |
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Date: December 16th, 2025 10:12 AM Author: concupiscible olive gaming laptop new version wrong. the us auto industry would be far better off without any protectionism. it's the victim, the not beneficiary |
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Date: December 16th, 2025 12:26 PM Author: electric box office faggot firefighter yes no.
We protect them way too much in some ways and protect them enough in others. Korea and Japan dont really cheat like China does but we protect American firms from Korea/Japan. |
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Date: December 16th, 2025 2:01 PM Author: Aquamarine Big Heaven china never cheated u dumbazz (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49514130) |
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Date: December 16th, 2025 2:02 PM Author: Aquamarine Big Heaven americans are dumb and lazhy and cld never compete with gorgeous china if there was no protecftionism anywhere (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49514132) |
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Date: December 16th, 2025 10:06 AM Author: twisted chapel friendly grandma Trump destroying American EV efforts and handing the auto industry to Xi on a gilded platter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49513408) |
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Date: December 16th, 2025 10:10 AM Author: Aquamarine Big Heaven solar too.. many many things actually (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49513415) |
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Date: December 16th, 2025 10:14 AM Author: twisted chapel friendly grandma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49513426) |
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Date: December 16th, 2025 12:27 PM Author: electric box office faggot firefighter but Trump is going to make sure we dominate CRYPTO. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49513750) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 2:30 AM Author: twisted chapel friendly grandma Trump is making crypto more affordable for working-class Americans! BTC prices now 17% lower since he took office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49515859) |
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Date: December 16th, 2025 10:12 AM Author: claret legal warrant boistinker if he'd just force people to buy stupid things they don't want, this industry would thrive! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49513421) |
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Date: December 16th, 2025 12:28 PM Author: electric box office faggot firefighter why focus on the future when we can avoid them right now!
you are legit retarded if you think in 30 years we will be selling gas cars |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 12:36 PM Author: Tan Windowlicker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49516658) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 12:38 PM Author: Ruddy sick field Who gives a fuck. If I'm still unfortunate enough to need to drive anywhere in 30 years I'll have a classic car or a private helicopter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49516666) |
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Date: December 18th, 2025 8:51 AM Author: electric box office faggot firefighter typical boomer fag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49518811) |
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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:12 PM Author: claret legal warrant boistinker wow you should be running Ford because the guys who make cars for a living must be legit retarded too because they just decided to stop burning money on really stupid things
(or maybe you are fucking idiot who wants the government to waste other people's money on dumb things)
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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:19 PM Author: electric box office faggot firefighter ya man. American business have never been short sighted and sought short term profits for their CEOs over long term success for the company. this doesnt happen and explains why every single CEO is amazing and has the best ideas.
I am sure Chiptole is another FINE EXAMPLE of amazing CEO leadership (after all Starbucks gave him a huge payday so he must have made the company better!) |
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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:22 PM Author: claret legal warrant boistinker yeah, very short sighted not to waste hundreds of billions more dollars on a product that customers have refused to buy even with decades of huge government subsidies and immense promotion
there is a trillion dollar bill laying on the street, go pick it up! everyone is stupid except you!
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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:26 PM Author: electric box office faggot firefighter EVs hit the market in like the last 5-7 years fag. get real.
Also the issue isn't the product, its the infrastructure. Where the infrastructure exists, people buy more EVs. Simple.
But ya, cant really buy an EV right now in USA, not due to the EVs themselves, but do to the lack of public infrastructure. |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:06 PM Author: odious godawful voyeur Objectively, EV's are far superior to ICE cars. This is not really a debatable proposition. They offer far more features and require far less maintenance. The fact that they are cleaner is a nice bonus.
EV's have two main problems, in my opinion. The first is lack of charging infrastructure. That is mostly fixed these days. Going on a road trip in an EV was a dicey proposition as recently as a few years ago, but it's easy today. But there still needs to be better slow charging infrastructure in cities, particularly for people who live in apartments and can't charge at home. But the infrastructure is improving rapidly.
The other big issue is cost. Even with subsidies, EV's were not cost competitive with ICE cars until very recently. Even today, EV's are slightly more expensive, although the monthly cost usually turns out to be cheaper once you factor in lower gas/maintenance costs. But ICE cars are not getting any cheaper whereas the cost of EV's is dropping rapidly. The battery is the most expensive part of an EV, and lithium ion battery prices have been dropping by about 8% per year. Today, the cost of an EV battery is about the same as the cost of an internal combustion engine. It will be much cheaper within 2-3 years. So, it is likely that soon EV's will be cheaper to manufacture than ICE cars, which means the prices at dealers should also be cheaper.
It's a tough spot for car manufacturers. No one really questions that EV's are the technology of the future. But the current demand is tepid. If they spend too much on EV's, they risk losing a ton of money in the short term. But if they don't, they will be bankrupt in a few years when cheap Chinese EV's flood the country and they can't compete. Ford may have scaled back their current EV operations, but they remain committed to creating their $30,000 electric truck in a few years. And the survival of their company may depend on its success. |
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Date: December 23rd, 2025 1:14 PM Author: claret legal warrant boistinker "Objectively they are superior!"
Except, as you note, when you consider cost... or the ability to fuel it... or the dozen other things that are actually the key criteria for regular people when they purchase a car.
Which is why no one wants them. But autistic retards would really like it if someone forced folks to buy them anyway.
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Date: December 16th, 2025 9:42 PM Author: Translucent curious mental disorder therapy It's amazing how much EVs have fallen off. They're a much better and more convenient product. I go to the "gas station" for a charge like 4 times a year on trips.
But somehow Biden spent billions to build no charging network and make EVs less popular.
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Date: December 16th, 2025 9:53 PM Author: odious godawful voyeur Biden's biggest mistake was that, by promoting EV's, he convinced half the country that EV's are "woke" and therefore must be avoided at all costs. If Biden had promoted iPhones, Farm Animals would still be using their Nokia flip phones.
The other issue is that people don't realize how much the EV charging infrastructure has improved in the past few years. People think that you can't take EV's on road trips, which was basically true for non-Tesla EV's a few years ago, but it isn't even close to being true today. I tell people that I took my EV on a thousand-mile road trip and spent no more time charging than I would have spent at the gas station, and people don't believe me. |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 1:45 AM Author: lascivious sable hissy fit it seems like a solution to a problem that doesn't exist (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49515839) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 8:16 AM Author: amethyst vivacious rigor theatre EVs are utterly pointless. The whole industry is a grift. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49516000) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 12:33 PM Author: odious godawful voyeur EV's offer far more features than ICE cars, have far better performance and acceleration, and require far less maintenance. They don't pollute. And within a few years, they will be significantly cheaper than ICE cars if battery prices continue dropping at their current rate. But otherwise they are pointless, I guess. Enjoy your Nokia flip phone, Farm Animal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49516649) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 12:42 PM Author: Ruddy sick field what resources and other "fuckery" are required to make the batteries? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49516678) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 12:56 PM Author: crystalline razzle half-breed just slave labor in the Congo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49516711) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 12:57 PM Author: Umber foreskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49516713) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 4:02 PM Author: odious godawful voyeur Why do Farm Animals believe any stupid shit that they hear on Fox News? It is true that the manufacture of EV's is slightly more harmful to the environment than manufacturing an ICE car. But when you consider an ICE car belching emissions into the atmosphere for 20+ years while an EV emits nothing during that time, EV's are far cleaner. It's not particularly close.
Like I said, enjoy your flip phone, Farm Animal. |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 4:12 PM Author: lascivious sable hissy fit just do force everyone to buy a new car every 18 months once the battery craps out or the proprietary computer systems become obsolete and you aren't able to open the fucking doors any more. really great for the environment. and all the electricity needed to power these 6000 pound landwhales is obviously all generated by wind and solar and def not oil/gas/coal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49517305) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 4:17 PM Author: odious godawful voyeur Wut? There is a dude with over a million miles on his Model S. Try that in an ICE car. EV's have fewer moving parts, so they last basically forever. You will lose battery range as the car gets older, but full battery failure is extremely rare in a modern EV. You're far more likely to have your engine or transmission go bad in an ICE car. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49517313) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 4:29 PM Author: lascivious sable hissy fit yea, fewer moving parts except the thing that makes it run will die in under two years and will cost more than a non-faggot car to replace. all to provide a solution for a problem that doesn't exist. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49517367) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 6:21 PM Author: odious godawful voyeur Continually repeating your bullshit doesn't make it true, Farm Animal. Learn to use your fucking brain rather than just mindlessly repeating what Fox News tells you. The reality is that, for modern EV's, the likelihood of a battery failure is significantly less than the likelihood of an engine or transmission failure in an ICE car. The first generation Leaf's were prone to battery failure, but this hasn't been an issue for a decade now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49517669) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 6:26 PM Author: lascivious sable hissy fit it’s not 1995 dipshit. Engine and transmission failures don’t happen any more. Having some shitty unproven battery that will lose half its range in the first couple years all to solve a problem that was solved 20 years ago is really stupid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49517680) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 6:31 PM Author: odious godawful voyeur Are you actually stupid enough to believe one word of anything you wrote? Or are you an autist who can't admit that you don't know what you are talking about? As far as I know, every EV manufacturer will replace your battery if it loses more than 30% of its range within 100k miles. Most have warranties that are more generous than that. Battery replacements are extremely rare for modern EV's. As for the claim that engines don't fail any more, tell that to my friend who just had to junk her car because the engine went bad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49517694) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 6:35 PM Author: lascivious sable hissy fit lol at getting a car with a “warranty”. regular cars have been perfected and you can pick one up a used one for barely anything and it will run for another 10 years. This fact has pissed off GC so they want everyone to drive iPhones with wheels that they can make obsolete whenever they feel like it or whenever the shitty battery craps out which is usually a year or two (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49517709) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 6:42 PM Author: odious godawful voyeur If you can show me where to find a used car for "barely anything" that will run for 10 years, I will run out and buy it right now. But whatever. Enjoy your Nokia flip phone, Farm Animal. Continue seething that shitlibs have adopted a superior technology while you continue to live in the dark ages. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49517735) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 7:35 PM Author: lascivious sable hissy fit 2010 I bought a 2006 bmw for $11.5k. Finally got rid of it last year. No real issues other than the transfer case shit with the awd. Other car was a cpo from dealer 2015 bought in 2019 for $25k.
I guess if you enjoy lighting money on fire you can go buy a tesla for 3x that plus have to spend several thousand rigging up your garage to plug the fucker in (which you’ll have to do again once they decide to change the charging mechanism) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 8:33 PM Author: odious godawful voyeur I bought a used 2022 Model 3 for about $18k. In two years time, I have spent like $60 on maintenance for a tire rotation and alignment. And my power company paid to have a charger installed for me. U mad? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49517975) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 5:39 PM Author: Umber foreskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49517540) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 6:22 PM Author: odious godawful voyeur No, they're not. Which you would know if you spent five seconds on Google rather than repeating the bullshit from Fox News. But whatever. Enjoy your Nokia flip phone, Farm Animal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49517670) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 6:23 PM Author: lascivious sable hissy fit yep regurgitating the first results you see on google is the definition of intelligence (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49517675) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 6:27 PM Author: odious godawful voyeur Okay smart guy. Find me any credible evidence that mining rare earth elements is more damaging than spewing particulates and CO2 for 20+ years. I'm waiting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49517685) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 6:30 PM Author: lascivious sable hissy fit find me evidence that it isn’t fuckstain. You people are the assholes trying to force a paradigm shift that no one wants or needs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49517687) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 6:34 PM Author: odious godawful voyeur JFC did you even take the LSAT?
"The government is controlled by the lizard people." "What is your evidence of that?" "I don't need any evidence. If you can't prove that I'm wrong, then I'm wright."
It's not my job to prove that your dumbass misinformation is false. Having said that, here you go:
https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths#Myth2 https://www.savethesound.org/2023/09/22/climate-explained-life-cycle-analysis/ |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 6:38 PM Author: lascivious sable hissy fit Unlike you I’m not a faggot so of course I didn’t go to law school. You are here demanding everyone give up a proven technology that works and has been perfected over the past two decades for something that is almost definitely a grift designed to further erode the middle class.
Burden of proof is on you. |
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Date: December 23rd, 2025 12:44 PM Author: Ruddy sick field What does it cost financially and otherwise to provide that increased amount of electricity? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49533965) |
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Date: December 24th, 2025 3:32 PM Author: odious godawful voyeur The amount of pollution/carbon needed to power an EV is significantly less than the pollution/carbon generated by an ICE car if that is what you are asking. Long-term, the price of solar is dropping ridiculously quickly. It is likely that we will have unlimited free solar power during the day in 15-20 years, so cleanly powering EV's (and everything else) probably won't be an issue in the near future. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49537472) |
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Date: December 26th, 2025 9:28 AM Author: Ruddy sick field Most people and all poors will have had 4-5 ICE cars in that timeframe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49540470) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 12:39 PM Author: Ruddy sick field If you live in Minnesota and don't have a private garage you are fucked but then you're probably fucked anyway regardless of the car you have or don't have. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49516669) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 12:41 PM Author: Ruddy sick field From what I hear they're great for urban commuters who preferably don't live anywhere cold (this discharges the batteries). So they have a niche but they were never for widespread usage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49516676) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 4:11 PM Author: odious godawful voyeur This is completely idiotic. How many times per year does a person need to drive more than 40-50 miles in a day? Range is an absolute non-issue unless you are on a road trip. And even on a road trip, either I or one of my passengers has to stop to pee long before I am going to run out of battery.
In 2+ years of EV driving, the only time that range was an issue was when I was on a trip to a rural area in the mountains with no fast charging nearby. I had to make a long detour to a fast charger when it became obvious that my battery wouldn't last the entire trip. But at home, range is a non-issue because I charge to full in my garage every night. On the highway, range is a non-issue because the range of my car is much greater than the range of my bladder. Under normal conditions, range loss due to cold weather is not a concern. |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 4:13 PM Author: lascivious sable hissy fit many people drive 40-50 miles a day every day easily shithead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49517306) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 4:19 PM Author: odious godawful voyeur Even if that is true, essentially all modern EV's have a range of 250+ miles. I think it is safe to say that very few commuters drive more than 250 miles per day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49517325) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2025 12:42 PM Author: Ruddy sick field I have a 20 mile commute to work and depending on where I go to Mass a 20 mile each way trip every sunday, not to mention errands outside that. So, anyone in the suburbs could easily do this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49533959) |
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Date: December 16th, 2025 9:56 PM Author: passionate trailer park Damn I really wanted a faggy electric car that gets 35% worse range when it is cold outside (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49515606) |
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Date: December 16th, 2025 10:07 PM Author: Free-loading amber library Winter mix gasoline also gets worse gas mileage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49515624) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 12:44 PM Author: Ruddy sick field One difference is you aren't going to be stranded somewhere in line with other shitlibs when it's 20 below trying to get your car charged. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49516685) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 12:25 AM Author: odious godawful voyeur Oh noes! My car can only go 240 miles instead of 300 miles without recharging! I'll never be able to make the 20 mile round trip between my house and my office now! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49515797) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 2:32 AM Author: twisted chapel friendly grandma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49515874) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 8:33 AM Author: electric box office faggot firefighter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49516012) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 12:37 PM Author: Tan Windowlicker lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49516662) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 12:38 PM Author: passionate trailer park Lol little city cuck shitlib with his faggy battery car
Sorry I live in the wide open west |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 12:39 PM Author: Tan Windowlicker Even meth-central has EV charging stations thru-out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49516670) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 12:48 PM Author: passionate trailer park Lol yeah just stop for 50 mins to "charge" up every 2 hours NBD. You can watch rick & morty on your in-dash ipad! Lib nirvana (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49516699) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 4:15 PM Author: odious godawful voyeur I can't ever remember a time where I needed to stop for more than 10-15 minutes to charge on a road trip. Usually by the time I pee and get a drink, I have more than enough charge to continue my trip. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49517308) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 4:21 PM Author: odious godawful voyeur (actual idiot who doesn't realize that EV's start every day with a full battery and thinks you still have to take them to the gas station or something) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49517330) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 4:32 PM Author: lascivious sable hissy fit unless you have to park on the street for some reason, or are out drinking and leave it somewhere, or your shithead kids unplug it. it's just another fucking thing you have to plug in every single day. phones and all the other crap are annoying enough. getting gas is easy by comparison. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49517371) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 6:25 PM Author: odious godawful voyeur Yes, it is so much easier to drive 10-15 minutes and wait around while your car fills up than it is to plug a fucking cord into the wall. Do Farm Animals realize how stupid they sound? Even then, it isn't critical that you plug in every single night unless you plan to drive 200+ miles the next day. Charging 1-2 times per week is enough for people with normal commutes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49517679) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 6:29 PM Author: lascivious sable hissy fit correct it is. Fuck maintaining another shitty charging station in your home that you will spend thousands to replace whenever it is forced obsolete or god forbid you want to buy a different car. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49517686) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 6:39 PM Author: odious godawful voyeur First of all, you don't need a charging station unless you drive a lot every day. A 110V outlet will do the job albeit a bit more slowly. If you have a 220V outlet in your garage, you don't need a charging station at all. If you do decide to get one, I think all new cars in North America have agreed to adopt Tesla's NACS standard for charging. But if the standard changed for some reason, you get an adapter for $20. Also, my power company paid for my EV charger, so it cost me nothing. I wasn't going to install one because I didn't need it, but I figured there was no reason not to when it was free. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49517728) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 7:40 PM Author: lascivious sable hissy fit that’s nice your crack dealer gave you a free pipe with your first hit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49517885) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 12:37 PM Author: Ruddy sick field Good. Fuck shitlibs and their EV obsession. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49516661) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 12:40 PM Author: brass talented mood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49516671) |
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Date: December 18th, 2025 8:52 AM Author: electric box office faggot firefighter I also hate shitlib Elon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49518812) |
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Date: December 17th, 2025 12:37 PM Author: Tan Windowlicker I love my EV SUV.
The market's downturn just means I"ll be able to get a great deal on an SUV when my Lease is up. |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:16 PM Author: domesticated theater I really like my Cybertruck, but it has nothing to do with the fact that's an EV. The automation tech is 180 and is the reason I got it. Wish I could get the same tech in a more conventional ICE truck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49522811) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 5:38 PM Author: odious godawful voyeur You will never get that in an ICE truck because ICE vehicles don't generate enough electricity to power all the cameras and computers needed for autonomous driving. There is a reason that all Waymos are EV's. This is one of the big reasons that I say that EV's are superior and will be the cars of the future. They will probably all drive themselves within 5-10 years. ICE cars will never be able to do that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49523455) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 10:02 PM Author: domesticated theater Not sure that’s true. Google AI says Tesla computing consumes 100 watts or less. That’s not much, but even if it’s grossly low you can have a big ass alternator on an ICE if you need it. Engineering is different, but it should be feasible. Musk claims he has offered to license full self driving but has had no takers. Traditional car manufacturers are very slow to change. I tried to broker an automotive GPS deal between a major Japanese company and a big US automotive supplier in the 80s. Was pretty much tarred and feathered by the US company. Except for Tesla it’s a very stodgy and inbred business.
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Date: December 20th, 2025 1:24 AM Author: odious godawful voyeur It's not just the CPU's that need power. You also need power for all the cameras and other sensors and cooling for the CPU's. My understanding is that when you add up all the power demands, you can't do it with an ICE car. Maybe it work if you could attach a huge ass alternator to an ICE car, but that would probably reduce your gas mileage enough to be pointless when EV's exist. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49524301) |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 10:55 AM Author: domesticated theater I really question that. My Audi Q7 is capable of limited self driving. It has multiple cameras and can steer itself. It's autonomous in low speed traffic but requires that you keep your hands on the wheel at speed. It cannot navigate itself and has an IQ of 10 compared to the Tesla. However, it has multiple camera, computers, etc. My Tesla has a detailed energy analysis function which I have not used. I will check it to see if it can illuminate the non-propulsive power function. Powering 1kW of electronics from an alternator is not a problem. That is only 1.3 hp. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810894&forum_id=2/#49525057) |