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Why are homeless people basically just white or black?

not that many homeless asian or latinodoods.
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dont stereotype cumskins bro
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wrf? Shit tons of homeless Latino bros. Fewer azns because a...
clear mildly autistic haunted graveyard
  02/22/12
and the women work in massage parlors to support their famil...
Purple incel
  02/22/12
not really, no. latino doods work hard or go home.
Confused Bisexual Hall Sandwich
  02/22/12
latinos might like to think that, but I see too many latino ...
Trip impertinent stain temple
  02/22/12
flame.
Gay comical spot hairy legs
  02/22/12
in places like LA that are half mexican, mexicans probably m...
cheese-eating sound barrier stage
  02/22/12
not quite in Los Angeles. Latino 47% of total populati...
curious corn cake
  02/22/12
this is such a myth about azns, my family was broke as a jok...
ultramarine odious messiness sneaky criminal
  02/22/12
Seems like flame. Define broke.
clear mildly autistic haunted graveyard
  02/22/12
my parents came here with a few thousand dollars and we live...
ultramarine odious messiness sneaky criminal
  02/22/12
"my parents came here with a few thousand dollars and w...
Trip impertinent stain temple
  02/22/12
what does the average american make? 3 grand a month? unle...
ultramarine odious messiness sneaky criminal
  02/22/12
So they had money, a place to stay and presumably a job/care...
clear mildly autistic haunted graveyard
  02/22/12
what you just described in your post is not most americans, ...
ultramarine odious messiness sneaky criminal
  02/22/12
Not most Americans. Most homeless. And not speaking English ...
clear mildly autistic haunted graveyard
  02/22/12
probably true but comparing the average homeless person to t...
ultramarine odious messiness sneaky criminal
  02/22/12
Ok, maybe not huge $$$, but they have some combination of sk...
clear mildly autistic haunted graveyard
  02/22/12
i can agree with this, i think strong family bonds is what m...
ultramarine odious messiness sneaky criminal
  02/22/12
you can be "broke," but you're still richer than m...
Trip impertinent stain temple
  02/22/12
they saved up a few thousand for the move, that's about it, ...
ultramarine odious messiness sneaky criminal
  02/22/12
Yeah Hmoobs and Cambodians are chronically poor. A lot of 1s...
razzle-dazzle bright keepsake machete base
  01/06/26
azns are good at math/sci & latinos are willing to perfo...
indigo elastic band
  02/22/12
this
amber marvelous dilemma
  02/22/12
immigrants go home if they cant make it here.
Gay comical spot hairy legs
  02/22/12
(has never been to LA)
know-it-all bipolar athletic conference
  02/22/12
some races have more losers than others
bistre garrison
  02/22/12
WTF, the Asians who work at fast Chinese food stores aren't ...
khaki concupiscible station generalized bond
  02/22/12
i've always wondered what their lives are like. what kind o...
bistre garrison
  02/22/12
we lived with family in tight quarters with my aunt for the ...
ultramarine odious messiness sneaky criminal
  02/22/12
were your family members made up of those people who slave a...
bistre garrison
  02/22/12
my dad worked as a janitor and my mom worked at a sewing sho...
ultramarine odious messiness sneaky criminal
  02/22/12
what are they doing now?
bistre garrison
  02/22/12
he sold them to human traffickers
indigo elastic band
  02/22/12
they eventually saved up enough to open up a resturaunt, the...
ultramarine odious messiness sneaky criminal
  02/22/12
They would have worked twice as hard back home in Korea for ...
razzle-dazzle bright keepsake machete base
  01/06/26
credited, maybe i'm reading too much into it, but when i hea...
ultramarine odious messiness sneaky criminal
  02/22/12
Having that extended family that'll allow you to room with t...
clear mildly autistic haunted graveyard
  02/22/12
you think your case is typical of the average white american...
ultramarine odious messiness sneaky criminal
  02/22/12
what kind of HS did you attend? probably really ghetto, righ...
indigo elastic band
  02/22/12
the elementary school and junior high i attended was ghetto,...
ultramarine odious messiness sneaky criminal
  02/22/12
mine too. all of the whites I knew were pressured to GTFO A...
indigo elastic band
  02/22/12
this seems mildly flamish, what parents let their daughter m...
ultramarine odious messiness sneaky criminal
  02/22/12
You're confusing azns with indiandoods
Purple incel
  02/22/12
Come to think of it, I've never seen a homeless Latino in NY...
Sinister mad cow disease
  02/22/12
Me neither, I only ever see blacks and whites.
khaki concupiscible station generalized bond
  02/22/12
They tend to live in the same house, lots. I've seen some...
Passionate white lay reading party
  02/22/12
I think Asians and Hispanics tend to help each other a lot m...
khaki concupiscible station generalized bond
  02/22/12
mexicans & asians usually have huge extended families an...
lascivious brunch factory reset button
  02/22/12
Americans are more individualistic. People of other national...
Purple incel
  02/22/12
Right, Americans think of each other as products. Because th...
khaki concupiscible station generalized bond
  02/22/12
I have plenty of homeless Latino clients. I think I see them...
spruce motley striped hyena native
  12/23/25
asians and latinos have strong family structures
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dont stereotype cumskins as not having family values, RACIST
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Asians and Latinos have countries they can return to if life...
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  01/06/26
asians and latinos barged into the country just recently. ju...
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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:18 PM
Author: Confused Bisexual Hall Sandwich

not that many homeless asian or latinodoods.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031309)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 1:44 AM
Author: aromatic iridescent pistol mediation

dont stereotype cumskins bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#49529780)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 8:02 PM
Author: aromatic iridescent pistol mediation



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#49532282)



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Date: December 23rd, 2025 5:56 PM
Author: aromatic iridescent pistol mediation



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#49534997)



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Date: December 28th, 2025 7:27 PM
Author: aromatic iridescent pistol mediation



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#49545729)



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Date: December 29th, 2025 9:12 PM
Author: aromatic iridescent pistol mediation



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#49548599)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 8:57 PM
Author: aromatic iridescent pistol mediation



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#49562704)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 10:33 PM
Author: aromatic iridescent pistol mediation



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#49568048)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:20 PM
Author: clear mildly autistic haunted graveyard

wrf? Shit tons of homeless Latino bros. Fewer azns because azns that come here have to come from families that can pay $$$ to come here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031332)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:21 PM
Author: Purple incel

and the women work in massage parlors to support their families.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031340)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:22 PM
Author: Confused Bisexual Hall Sandwich

not really, no. latino doods work hard or go home.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031350)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:23 PM
Author: Trip impertinent stain temple

latinos might like to think that, but I see too many latino homeless for this to be true

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031370)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:24 PM
Author: Gay comical spot hairy legs

flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031377)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:25 PM
Author: cheese-eating sound barrier stage

in places like LA that are half mexican, mexicans probably make up like 10% of the homeless.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031390)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:27 PM
Author: curious corn cake

not quite

in Los Angeles.

Latino 47% of total population 33% of homeless

White 30% of total population 14% of homeless

African American 9% of total population 50% of homeless

Asian/Pacific Islander 12% of total population 2% of homeless

Other 2% Less than 1% of homeless

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031415)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:23 PM
Author: ultramarine odious messiness sneaky criminal

this is such a myth about azns, my family was broke as a joke, and so were plenty of other asians i met in college

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031366)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:24 PM
Author: clear mildly autistic haunted graveyard

Seems like flame. Define broke.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031378)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:25 PM
Author: ultramarine odious messiness sneaky criminal

my parents came here with a few thousand dollars and we lived with our aunt until we they got on their feet, she was lower middle class at best

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031394)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:26 PM
Author: Trip impertinent stain temple

"my parents came here with a few thousand dollars and we lived with our aunt until we they got on their feet,"

like i said, seems broke to you, but a lot more than most americans have

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031407)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:27 PM
Author: ultramarine odious messiness sneaky criminal

what does the average american make? 3 grand a month? unless you completely financially fucked yourself over, the average american can save that in half a year, my parents probably saved for about 5 years to come over

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031419)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:36 PM
Author: clear mildly autistic haunted graveyard

So they had money, a place to stay and presumably a job/career lined up. Gotcha.

That's better than a dude with a felony or debt or noskillspwned and no family etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031500)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:39 PM
Author: ultramarine odious messiness sneaky criminal

what you just described in your post is not most americans, except the noskillspwned and debt thing.

Someone with no skills was better off than my parents, for 1 you can speak english that's already a GIGANTIC leg up. The debt thing is usually too much consumer spending that was unnecessary and if that's the reason someone homeless well i don't know what to say



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031526)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:42 PM
Author: clear mildly autistic haunted graveyard

Not most Americans. Most homeless. And not speaking English isn't a huge deal if you're plugged into the insular Chinese community.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031551)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:45 PM
Author: ultramarine odious messiness sneaky criminal

probably true but comparing the average homeless person to the average asian american population doesn't explain differences in homelessness

"Fewer azns because azns that come here have to come from families that can pay $$$ to come here."

this seems to imply someone who was rich in their home country, and i'm telling u that's not true for many if not most first generation asian americans. Maybe the ones who move straight into upper-middle class neighborhoods but that's not the case usually.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031572)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:51 PM
Author: clear mildly autistic haunted graveyard

Ok, maybe not huge $$$, but they have some combination of skill, work lined up, and extended family willing to help. Homeless people almost without fail lack these. If they are homeless due to drugs/mental illness this also usually stems from weak family help in one way or another.

I'm not saying all azns are rich and shouldn't have implied that, but on avg I'd say that have stronger assets tangible or otherwise.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031620)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:53 PM
Author: ultramarine odious messiness sneaky criminal

i can agree with this, i think strong family bonds is what makes the difference in the homelessness numbers personally

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031639)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:24 PM
Author: Trip impertinent stain temple

you can be "broke," but you're still richer than most people if you can afford intercontinental immigration, generally.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031382)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:26 PM
Author: ultramarine odious messiness sneaky criminal

they saved up a few thousand for the move, that's about it, anybody who's smart with their money can do this, except maybe minimum wage earners

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031404)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 10:38 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle bright keepsake machete base

Yeah Hmoobs and Cambodians are chronically poor. A lot of 1st gen Vietnamese and Korean came up poor af in the 80s.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#49568054)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:22 PM
Author: indigo elastic band

azns are good at math/sci & latinos are willing to perform backbreaking labor

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031356)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:22 PM
Author: amber marvelous dilemma

this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031362)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:23 PM
Author: Gay comical spot hairy legs

immigrants go home if they cant make it here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031372)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:24 PM
Author: know-it-all bipolar athletic conference

(has never been to LA)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031389)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:26 PM
Author: bistre garrison

some races have more losers than others

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031403)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:27 PM
Author: khaki concupiscible station generalized bond

WTF, the Asians who work at fast Chinese food stores aren't any close to wealthy. It's uncertain why they don't go homeless, but they are definitely not rich or even close.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031416)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:28 PM
Author: bistre garrison

i've always wondered what their lives are like. what kind of living arrangements do the ones outside of major cities have? i'm imagining a dozen people crammed into a 1 bedroom apartment, possibly divided up with hanging sheets

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031426)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:31 PM
Author: ultramarine odious messiness sneaky criminal

we lived with family in tight quarters with my aunt for the first 2-3 years we were in america, not anything close to a dozen of us in a 1 bedroom apt tho, 5 of us in a two bedroom tho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031442)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:34 PM
Author: bistre garrison

were your family members made up of those people who slave away in the kitchen portion of a chinese take-out place? those are the ones i mean. usually there are at least a half a dozen of them working, even when it is slow. i can't imagine a take-out place generates enough money to pay them even minimum wage. sometimes i wonder if they are indentured servants

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031482)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:36 PM
Author: ultramarine odious messiness sneaky criminal

my dad worked as a janitor and my mom worked at a sewing shop, this might sound a little strange but i saw my mom and dad's tax returns from 1980 something and it almost made me cry the suffering that they went through, my mom and dad made a combined total of 6 grand that year, i think my mom was making below minimum wage

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031497)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:38 PM
Author: bistre garrison

what are they doing now?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031509)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:39 PM
Author: indigo elastic band

he sold them to human traffickers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031520)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:42 PM
Author: ultramarine odious messiness sneaky criminal

they eventually saved up enough to open up a resturaunt, then a dry cleaners, now they are retired

it pisses me off when ppl assume we came over here with like 100s of thousands of dollars and now because of that they live wel, they worked their asses off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031547)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 10:40 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle bright keepsake machete base

They would have worked twice as hard back home in Korea for 1/10 of that money. They knew

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#49568058)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:29 PM
Author: ultramarine odious messiness sneaky criminal

credited, maybe i'm reading too much into it, but when i hear ppl talk about how asians do well in america because they were the upper echelons of society in their home country it makes me think they are minimizing what asian ameicans have accomplished, especially since from my experience MOST asians who come over don't have PhDs or were wealthy when they came over

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031432)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:44 PM
Author: clear mildly autistic haunted graveyard

Having that extended family that'll allow you to room with them is a big asset bro. I got booted from my parents house and my grandparents house and they both had extra rooms.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031556)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:46 PM
Author: ultramarine odious messiness sneaky criminal

you think your case is typical of the average white american family? most all my friends were white in high school, don't know a single one who wasn't free to go back home if they chose to, and a lot of them did make that choice

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031581)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:50 PM
Author: indigo elastic band

what kind of HS did you attend? probably really ghetto, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031611)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:52 PM
Author: ultramarine odious messiness sneaky criminal

the elementary school and junior high i attended was ghetto, the HS i attended was solidly middle class

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031627)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 10:02 PM
Author: indigo elastic band

mine too. all of the whites I knew were pressured to GTFO ASAP & very few were allowed to return after college.

my white female cousin fell on hard times & had to move in with some weird nigger she barely knew because nobody in her family would help her get back on her feet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031721)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 10:04 PM
Author: ultramarine odious messiness sneaky criminal

this seems mildly flamish, what parents let their daughter move into some weird person's house rather than let them move back home.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031734)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:44 PM
Author: Purple incel

You're confusing azns with indiandoods

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031559)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:34 PM
Author: Sinister mad cow disease

Come to think of it, I've never seen a homeless Latino in NYC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031484)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:36 PM
Author: khaki concupiscible station generalized bond

Me neither, I only ever see blacks and whites.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031496)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:36 PM
Author: Passionate white lay reading party

They tend to live in the same house, lots.

I've seen some, btw. Penn Station, Union Square station, etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031499)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:41 PM
Author: khaki concupiscible station generalized bond

I think Asians and Hispanics tend to help each other a lot more, so they wouldn't let each other be on the street, perhaps? Whites and blacks are Americans and they have different values, so they can easily ignore each other.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031542)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:39 PM
Author: lascivious brunch factory reset button

mexicans & asians usually have huge extended families and are used to having houseguests. whites & blacks don't have tight extended families and are more individualistic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031524)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:45 PM
Author: Purple incel

Americans are more individualistic. People of other nationalities (blacks/whites) are not like their american counterparts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031574)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:52 PM
Author: khaki concupiscible station generalized bond

Right, Americans think of each other as products. Because the American culture has capitalism at its core.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#20031626)



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Date: December 23rd, 2025 6:00 PM
Author: spruce motley striped hyena native

I have plenty of homeless Latino clients. I think I see them just as much if not more than homeless whites

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#49535014)



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Date: December 23rd, 2025 6:01 PM
Author: Buff laughsome nibblets bbw

asians and latinos have strong family structures

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#49535019)



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Date: December 23rd, 2025 6:27 PM
Author: aromatic iridescent pistol mediation

dont stereotype cumskins as not having family values, RACIST

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#49535085)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 11:37 PM
Author: dashing french chef dingle berry

Asians and Latinos have countries they can return to if life in the US is not working out for them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2/#49568146)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 11:53 PM
Author: electric sienna police squad

asians and latinos barged into the country just recently. just wait a bit their kids will be homeless soon enough.

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