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any books you read or wish you had read in high school? look...
Galvanic ladyboy marketing idea
  12/18/25
I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderso...
Transparent house
  12/18/25
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712? Reasonable price, ...
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  12/18/25
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Hairraiser sanctuary
  12/18/25
"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys...
Amber dopamine church building
  12/19/25
this is now forever in my search history I want you dead,...
Amber dopamine church building
  12/19/25
mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel
Turquoise Menage Twinkling Uncleanness
  12/18/25
A few offhand: -On the Shortness of Life - Seneca -Sta...
Irradiated roommate
  12/18/25
https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&a...
Amber dopamine church building
  12/19/25
or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of...
spruce aromatic main people elastic band
  12/19/25
The Illustrated Man Odyssey The International Jew 1984 M...
Judgmental Senate Black Woman
  12/18/25
Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters
Poppy toaster
  12/18/25
i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer readin...
Galvanic ladyboy marketing idea
  12/18/25
Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Ce...
Poppy toaster
  12/18/25
they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your...
Galvanic ladyboy marketing idea
  12/18/25
180
Poppy toaster
  12/18/25
The eyes and the impossible sourdough heart of samurai...
haunting rigor tattoo
  12/18/25
rocket boys is 180
Alcoholic Site Jap
  12/18/25
Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo
haunting rigor tattoo
  12/18/25
...
Alcoholic Site Jap
  12/19/25
weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party...
spruce aromatic main people elastic band
  12/22/25
CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" thos...
razzle orchestra pit blood rage
  12/18/25
he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that&rsq...
Galvanic ladyboy marketing idea
  12/18/25
The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)
Violent corner
  12/18/25
ty for the recs, this is helpful i just asked him what bo...
Galvanic ladyboy marketing idea
  12/18/25
Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has rea...
soul-stirring theatre
  12/18/25
seconding count of monte cristo three musketeers is also ...
Green public bath
  12/18/25
JackTales 🤡😳
Up-to-no-good faggotry
  12/18/25
those are for reading out loud , clown
haunting rigor tattoo
  12/18/25
The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton https://www.amazon...
sable contagious location
  12/18/25
Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz) We Were Soldiers Once… And...
cream odious box office
  12/18/25
are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by ...
sooty boyish multi-billionaire
  12/18/25
I’m not even sure which author you’re talking ab...
cream odious box office
  12/18/25
lol
sooty boyish multi-billionaire
  12/18/25
he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers &qu...
pink curious pozpig
  12/21/25
Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000
Alcoholic Site Jap
  12/18/25
No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a bet...
cream odious box office
  12/18/25
James Bond novels Conan (only read the flemming and howard...
Purple Arousing Place Of Business
  12/18/25
The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.
Irradiated roommate
  12/18/25
Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 ...
Purple Arousing Place Of Business
  12/18/25
Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new boo...
Irradiated roommate
  12/18/25
1. Goldfinger 2. Moonraker 3. Casino Royale 4. From Russ...
Purple Arousing Place Of Business
  12/19/25
tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I th...
Irradiated roommate
  12/21/25
cr
Alcoholic Site Jap
  12/18/25
Anabasis
Metal topaz church new version
  12/18/25
...
sooty boyish multi-billionaire
  12/18/25
Flowers for Algernon
dashing silver ticket booth
  12/18/25
The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant Man's Sear...
sooty boyish multi-billionaire
  12/18/25
a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it...
Comical Azure Lay
  12/18/25
Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in ...
Twinkling painfully honest immigrant
  12/18/25
Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?) Zen and the Art of Motorc...
Useless Dull Cuckoldry Knife
  12/18/25
> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance lol
sooty boyish multi-billionaire
  12/18/25
read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class i...
Galvanic ladyboy marketing idea
  12/18/25
zorba the greek
Alcoholic Site Jap
  12/18/25
...
cream odious box office
  12/18/25
Several good recs already upthread. Some others: The Thin...
razzle orchestra pit blood rage
  12/18/25
Cr. list I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit ov...
cream odious box office
  12/18/25
The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorit...
Marvelous pit nibblets
  12/18/25
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razzle orchestra pit blood rage
  12/18/25
agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise cau...
pink curious pozpig
  12/22/25
Watership Down A Day No Pigs Would Die 2nd Where the R...
Arrogant Turdskin Friendly Grandma
  12/18/25
...
low-t flesh clown
  12/18/25
Starship Troopers Enders Game Johnny Tremain Childhoods E...
Buff locus
  12/18/25
A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES
Amber dopamine church building
  12/19/25
Neon Bible better rec for younger kid
Metal topaz church new version
  12/19/25
abridged edgar allen poe short stories
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  12/19/25
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  12/26/25


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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:03 PM
Author: Galvanic ladyboy marketing idea

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? looking for something that would be motivating / tools for life genre

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519424)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:15 PM
Author: Transparent house

I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderson (Broken Sword, Three Hearts and Three Lions) Fritz Lieber (Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser) etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519444)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:19 PM
Author: indigo hideous plaza coldplay fan

https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712?

Reasonable price, free shipping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519452)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: Hairraiser sanctuary



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519458)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:35 AM
Author: Amber dopamine church building

"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys and crayons, a bubble bath, and lots of love."

-- School Library Journal

"Will undoubtedly be scooped up by families seeking queer representation in board books."

-- Kirkus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49521596)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:42 AM
Author: Amber dopamine church building

this is now forever in my search history

I want you dead, Malk Poo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49521719)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: Turquoise Menage Twinkling Uncleanness

mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519459)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: Irradiated roommate

A few offhand:

-On the Shortness of Life - Seneca

-Starship Troopers (the book is much better and more serious than the movie)

-Bonfire of the Vanities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519460)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:10 AM
Author: Amber dopamine church building

https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&forum_id=2#35633765

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49521571)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:32 AM
Author: spruce aromatic main people elastic band

or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of his vanities

toughens him up a bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49522050)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:23 PM
Author: Judgmental Senate Black Woman

The Illustrated Man

Odyssey

The International Jew

1984

Meditations

The Myth of Sisyphus

Hamlet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519465)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: Poppy toaster

Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519476)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: Galvanic ladyboy marketing idea

i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer reading assignments



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519493)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:34 PM
Author: Poppy toaster

Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Celestine Prophecy, Lord of the Flies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519513)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: Galvanic ladyboy marketing idea

they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your other recs, ty!

he just finished peak, so hatchet is a good one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519523)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:45 PM
Author: Poppy toaster

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519559)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:01 PM
Author: haunting rigor tattoo

The eyes and the impossible

sourdough

heart of samurai

artemis

rocket boys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519953)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:13 PM
Author: Alcoholic Site Jap

rocket boys is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49520282)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:18 PM
Author: haunting rigor tattoo

Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49521280)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:34 AM
Author: Alcoholic Site Jap



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49521595)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 10:54 AM
Author: spruce aromatic main people elastic band

weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party scene at my rural West Virginia high school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49530601)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: razzle orchestra pit blood rage

CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" those by HS, especially later in HS?

My 7 year old just read--and really enjoyed--Hatchet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519755)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:00 PM
Author: Galvanic ladyboy marketing idea

he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that’s more his reading level

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519767)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:28 PM
Author: Violent corner

The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519483)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: Galvanic ladyboy marketing idea

ty for the recs, this is helpful

i just asked him what book he’s reading (we’re on a flight) and its war and peace

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519489)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:24 PM
Author: soul-stirring theatre

Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has read tons of other Russian lit and has a solid grounding in religion and philosophy.

Count of Monte Cristo is a goat novel that is also accessible and really exciting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519679)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: Green public bath

seconding count of monte cristo

three musketeers is also great and vastly superior to any adaptation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519686)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: Up-to-no-good faggotry

JackTales 🤡😳

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519490)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:02 PM
Author: haunting rigor tattoo

those are for reading out loud , clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519956)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: sable contagious location

The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton

https://www.amazon.com/Boy-Pink-Hair-Perez-Hilton/dp/0451234200

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519492)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:32 PM
Author: cream odious box office

Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz)

We Were Soldiers Once… And Young (Moore & Galloway)

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage (Lansing)

The Way of Men (Donovan)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519502)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:35 PM
Author: sooty boyish multi-billionaire

are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by a homo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519701)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:45 PM
Author: cream odious box office

I’m not even sure which author you’re talking about, though I’m 99.99% sure that it’s not Moore or Galloway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519724)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:41 PM
Author: sooty boyish multi-billionaire

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519873)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:48 PM
Author: pink curious pozpig

he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers "androphile," a term he uses to describe romance and sex between masculine men

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Donovan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49528627)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:46 PM
Author: Alcoholic Site Jap

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519898)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:28 PM
Author: cream odious box office

No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a better idea of what it means to be a man and to experience the thrill, the triumph, of surviving impossible odds. Leadership, loyalty, discipline. And then they get home and are like, fuck it, sign me up for WWI’s trenches

My middle son needed a bit of coaching on perseverance, so we read this together and then did a HARD AS FUCK mountain bike camping trip in western NC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49520739)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: Purple Arousing Place Of Business

James Bond novels

Conan (only read the flemming and howard originals though)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519505)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:39 PM
Author: Irradiated roommate

The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519535)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:51 PM
Author: Purple Arousing Place Of Business

Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 or so) in a summer. all were 180. I tried reading the non-flemming but its not the same. They don't write novels like that anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519587)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: Irradiated roommate

Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new books to read.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519744)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: Purple Arousing Place Of Business

1. Goldfinger

2. Moonraker

3. Casino Royale

4. From Russia With Love

5. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

the order changes based on mood but these five are in a tier above.

the rest are all solid. for example, Diamonds are Forever is my least favorite and that is still leagues better than any modern espionage novel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49522101)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:44 PM
Author: Irradiated roommate

tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49528612)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:46 PM
Author: Alcoholic Site Jap

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519729)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:42 PM
Author: Metal topaz church new version

Anabasis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519542)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: sooty boyish multi-billionaire



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519572)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:43 PM
Author: dashing silver ticket booth

Flowers for Algernon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519548)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: sooty boyish multi-billionaire

The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant

Man's Search for Meaning - Viktor Frankl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519568)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:55 PM
Author: Comical Azure Lay

a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it. great series for boys who like knights, politics, and violence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519602)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:30 PM
Author: Twinkling painfully honest immigrant

Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in the series

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519689)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:36 PM
Author: Useless Dull Cuckoldry Knife

Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?)

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

Dune

anything recent by Lawrence Millman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519705)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:37 PM
Author: sooty boyish multi-billionaire

> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519706)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:01 PM
Author: Galvanic ladyboy marketing idea

read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class in hs. book was so so but class was 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519770)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:38 PM
Author: Alcoholic Site Jap

zorba the greek



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519710)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:49 PM
Author: cream odious box office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:53 PM
Author: razzle orchestra pit blood rage

Several good recs already upthread. Some others:

The Things They Carried

Mark Twain--starting with Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn

1984

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (and throw in The Hobbit)

Infinite Jest

Moby Dick

Blood Meridian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49519751)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:30 PM
Author: cream odious box office

Cr. list

I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit overexposed to the hopelessly feminized librarian space for a time and was looked down upon as kind of trite. But it’s 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49520745)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:55 PM
Author: Marvelous pit nibblets

The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorite. You shouldn't look down on librarian recs. This is all they do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49520815)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:12 PM
Author: razzle orchestra pit blood rage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49521254)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: pink curious pozpig

agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise caution with the second and third sentences just given that the values may not be stoic masculine warrior

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49530736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:09 PM
Author: Arrogant Turdskin Friendly Grandma

Watership Down

A Day No Pigs Would Die

2nd Where the Red Fern Grows

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49520246)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: low-t flesh clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49520756)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:40 PM
Author: Buff locus

Starship Troopers

Enders Game

Johnny Tremain

Childhoods End

Rama



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49520778)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:16 AM
Author: Amber dopamine church building

A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49521578)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:11 AM
Author: Metal topaz church new version

Neon Bible better rec for younger kid

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/#49521698)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:23 AM
Author: Talking sepia love of her life

abridged edgar allen poe short stories

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Date: December 26th, 2025 12:37 AM
Author: vermilion sweet tailpipe

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