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Do essentially all men REGULARLY MASTURBATE?

Excluding the tiny number with some severe issue (i.e., in a...
angry hall
  12/03/25
This sounds like flame. Are you telling me that half of men ...
Domesticated fanboi
  12/03/25
That people can go a whole month without nutting is unbeliev...
angry hall
  12/03/25
I can't go more than a day or two
Lascivious seedy love of her life masturbator
  12/03/25
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""'"''""
  12/06/25
i used to do it daily when i was younger but now i do miss a...
infuriating mental disorder
  12/03/25
We are all wankers. When I was in high school my friend's el...
razzmatazz lemon gas station jewess
  12/03/25
This is what libs took from us, the real America where 80yo ...
Laughsome Flirting Faggotry
  12/03/25
You misunderstand. He beat off in private. He was just givin...
razzmatazz lemon gas station jewess
  12/03/25
its sad, really
rusted excitant pisswyrm
  12/04/25
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arousing tan dragon
  12/04/25
...
Splenetic gaped trailer park becky
  12/03/25
You've dropped that anecdote here before and it's great
coral comical laser beams
  12/03/25
I remember. Just thought it needed refreshing for those who ...
razzmatazz lemon gas station jewess
  12/03/25
xo newcomers are also what libs took from us
rusted excitant pisswyrm
  12/04/25
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.,..,.,,.,..,,,.,.,.,..,..,..,.,..,,.,.,.,.
  12/08/25
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Trust If Aryan
  12/06/25
ty gonna use this if i make it another few decades
very tactful address keepsake machete
  12/03/25
i think guys don't beat off as much as they get older lik...
provocative pearly police squad theatre
  12/03/25
Why? At 50 almost all guys regularly crave orgasm?
angry hall
  12/03/25
i'm not anywhere near 50 yet but i definitely don't beat off...
provocative pearly police squad theatre
  12/03/25
are you fat or diabetic?
angry hall
  12/03/25
no just Old (late 30s)
provocative pearly police squad theatre
  12/03/25
You're actually young for this site.
angry hall
  12/03/25
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Cerebral Institution
  12/03/25
Happy 43rd birthday ! 🎉
Unholy house
  12/03/25
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Cerebral Institution
  12/03/25
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Pontificating abode
  12/03/25
...
angry hall
  12/03/25
Do you still trim/shave your pubes? just curious
angry hall
  12/03/25
only when i'm Having Sex are you a Woman? no Male would e...
provocative pearly police squad theatre
  12/03/25
no, but why would no male ask?
angry hall
  12/03/25
I'm in my late 40's, and I still jerk off almost daily. It u...
Domesticated fanboi
  12/03/25
Yea, I think in most studies the majority of guys just reall...
angry hall
  12/03/25
I'm over 40 and shoot ropes into tissues at least once a day...
canary odious indirect expression clown
  12/03/25
need doodikoff's opinion on this
Flushed balding shrine
  12/03/25
Men and women
trip maroon piazza windowlicker
  12/03/25
Apparently there are many men who say they don't.
angry hall
  12/03/25
IME some do.
Magical insanely creepy therapy
  12/03/25
describe your experience
Heady mauve spot
  12/03/25
Decent anmount of guys i know masturbate with some regularit...
Magical insanely creepy therapy
  12/03/25
How often?
angry hall
  12/03/25
varies from guy to guy.
dupa
  12/05/25
nobody ITT has asked for a def of regularly. this used to be...
blue diverse deer antler
  12/03/25
How should we define these? Once a month seems very infrequ...
angry hall
  12/03/25
once a week doesnt seem like "regular" to me. seem...
blue diverse deer antler
  12/03/25
what if you regularly do it once per week though?
fluffy rigor locus
  12/03/25
I agree, once a week has to be the absolute bare minimum for...
angry hall
  12/03/25
even once per week is pushing it
fluffy rigor locus
  12/03/25
What do you think is a better number?
angry hall
  12/03/25
I feel like my dad really doesn’t. He seems Ascended ...
Hairraiser resort
  12/03/25
Once in college I went like 2 weeks without nutting and ende...
Pontificating abode
  12/03/25
...
provocative pearly police squad theatre
  12/03/25
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.,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:..:.
  12/06/25
how do i stop this its consuming my life
jade gunner ceo
  12/03/25
No idea. If you're a porn watcher, stopping that is a goo...
turquoise razzle goal in life
  12/03/25
I went onto nofap over 8 years ago. It's been great. All k...
drab overrated locale preventive strike
  12/03/25
I suspect that everyone who claims to do nofap is lying.
angry hall
  12/03/25
exactly. Its not possible and possibly bad for you
Lascivious seedy love of her life masturbator
  12/04/25
Do you watch porn or use imagination? I think the rise of A...
angry hall
  12/04/25
yeah especially after marriage
supple newt party of the first part
  12/03/25
Wouldn't it be the opposite?
angry hall
  12/03/25
lol ok junior
supple newt party of the first part
  12/04/25
Ok, I may be an idiot but I'm going to need you to explain t...
""'"''""
  12/05/25
it's like fucking a man in the ass - you can explain until t...
\'\'\"\"\'\'\'\"
  12/05/25
Well, you can stop fucking a man in the ass if you decide yo...
""'"''""
  12/08/25
...
very tactful address keepsake machete
  12/03/25
It wanes a bit when the intensity of the orgasm wanes.
Die Hard 2: Die Harder
  12/05/25
if you don't, you get cancer
Roblox
  12/05/25
Do you think this is really true? The studies maxed out at ...
""'"''""
  12/06/25
the studies do seem to suggest there is some benefit emptyin...
Kenneth Play
  12/08/25
if i go a week+ without nutting my jizz will be yellowed and...
Buck Broken
  12/08/25
When I was a kid I listened to Howard Stern and he complaine...
Madison Avenue Lemming Enslaved to Conformity
  12/08/25
on the assumption that the OP is a chick, I am masturbating ...
Scut Farkas
  12/08/25


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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:27 PM
Author: angry hall

Excluding the tiny number with some severe issue (i.e., in a coma, etc.), how common is it for a bro to just not spank it at least every now and then? According to chatgpt, there is a "consistent minority that simply don't" and about half haven't done it in a month. Lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49479891)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 1:57 PM
Author: Domesticated fanboi

This sounds like flame. Are you telling me that half of men can do NNN without even trying?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49480247)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 2:23 PM
Author: angry hall

That people can go a whole month without nutting is unbelievable to me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49480357)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 6:45 PM
Author: Lascivious seedy love of her life masturbator

I can't go more than a day or two

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49481351)



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Date: December 6th, 2025 6:40 PM
Author: ""'"''""



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49489502)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:28 PM
Author: infuriating mental disorder

i used to do it daily when i was younger but now i do miss a day here or there

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49479897)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:28 PM
Author: razzmatazz lemon gas station jewess

We are all wankers. When I was in high school my friend's elderly father, who looked like a turtle, told us, "Boys, every New Year's Day I take out my meat and if I can still beat I know I'll make it another year." P.S. He had 13 kids.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49479898)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:35 PM
Author: Laughsome Flirting Faggotry

This is what libs took from us, the real America where 80yo old birdshits beat off in front of their grown sons

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49479945)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:36 PM
Author: razzmatazz lemon gas station jewess

You misunderstand. He beat off in private. He was just giving us advice for the future.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49479952)



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Date: December 4th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: rusted excitant pisswyrm

its sad, really

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49483727)



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Date: December 4th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: arousing tan dragon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49483728)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:44 PM
Author: Splenetic gaped trailer park becky



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49479978)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:49 PM
Author: coral comical laser beams

You've dropped that anecdote here before and it's great

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49479998)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 11:44 PM
Author: razzmatazz lemon gas station jewess

I remember. Just thought it needed refreshing for those who missed. I can't say newcomers because we don't have any.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49482386)



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Date: December 4th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: rusted excitant pisswyrm

xo newcomers are also what libs took from us

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49483731)



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Date: December 8th, 2025 10:26 PM
Author: .,..,.,,.,..,,,.,.,.,..,..,..,.,..,,.,.,.,.




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49495541)



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Date: December 6th, 2025 1:44 PM
Author: Trust If Aryan



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49488712)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 10:59 PM
Author: very tactful address keepsake machete

ty gonna use this if i make it another few decades

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49482287)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:28 PM
Author: provocative pearly police squad theatre

i think guys don't beat off as much as they get older

like the idea of a 50 year old guy jerking it to videos of women more than once a week is pretty absurd

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49479900)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:32 PM
Author: angry hall

Why? At 50 almost all guys regularly crave orgasm?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49479918)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:34 PM
Author: provocative pearly police squad theatre

i'm not anywhere near 50 yet but i definitely don't beat off or chase pussy as much as i did at 20 years old and in my experience other guys don't either

your T goes down and also you just don't care about sexual release as much because you have other stuff going on

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49479934)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:43 PM
Author: angry hall

are you fat or diabetic?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49479974)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:45 PM
Author: provocative pearly police squad theatre

no just Old (late 30s)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49479981)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:45 PM
Author: angry hall

You're actually young for this site.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49479984)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:48 PM
Author: Cerebral Institution



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49479991)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 1:00 PM
Author: Unholy house

Happy 43rd birthday ! 🎉

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49480046)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: Cerebral Institution



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49480144)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 2:31 PM
Author: Pontificating abode



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49480396)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 10:57 PM
Author: angry hall



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49482284)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: angry hall

Do you still trim/shave your pubes? just curious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49480137)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: provocative pearly police squad theatre

only when i'm Having Sex

are you a Woman? no Male would ever ask this question

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49480160)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: angry hall

no, but why would no male ask?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49480192)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 1:56 PM
Author: Domesticated fanboi

I'm in my late 40's, and I still jerk off almost daily. It used to be every day (sometimes multiple times per day) without fail. Now sometimes I fall asleep without wanking. Sometimes it even happens more than one night in a row. But if I go more than a couple days, I start to get horny, and I need to nut. I'm doubtful that this will change drastically as I hit 50.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49480246)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 2:14 PM
Author: angry hall

Yea, I think in most studies the majority of guys just really understate their frequency.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49480299)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 11:49 PM
Author: canary odious indirect expression clown

I'm over 40 and shoot ropes into tissues at least once a day, sometimes more.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49482390)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:33 PM
Author: Flushed balding shrine

need doodikoff's opinion on this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49479931)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:35 PM
Author: trip maroon piazza windowlicker

Men and women

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49479946)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:38 PM
Author: angry hall

Apparently there are many men who say they don't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49479957)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:44 PM
Author: Magical insanely creepy therapy

IME some do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49479980)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 1:14 PM
Author: Heady mauve spot

describe your experience

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49480111)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 2:33 PM
Author: Magical insanely creepy therapy

Decent anmount of guys i know masturbate with some regularity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49480401)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 3:11 PM
Author: angry hall

How often?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49480538)



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Date: December 5th, 2025 6:15 PM
Author: dupa

varies from guy to guy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49487094)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:46 PM
Author: blue diverse deer antler

nobody ITT has asked for a def of regularly. this used to be a law boart. regularly is a hopelessly vague and ambiguous term, and this thread is retarded.

OP further retardedly uses the similarly imprecise phrase, "every now and then"

xo 2025

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49479987)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:49 PM
Author: angry hall

How should we define these? Once a month seems very infrequent for most men, but I think that may be a reasonable cutoff to include current masturbators. or should we do once a week?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49479997)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:58 PM
Author: blue diverse deer antler

once a week doesnt seem like "regular" to me. seems more "from time to time" than regular

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49480038)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 1:17 PM
Author: fluffy rigor locus

what if you regularly do it once per week though?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49480124)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 1:20 PM
Author: angry hall

I agree, once a week has to be the absolute bare minimum for most guys. I don't believe most guys could stand that little masturbation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49480134)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: fluffy rigor locus

even once per week is pushing it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49480142)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 1:31 PM
Author: angry hall

What do you think is a better number?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49480181)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 1:58 PM
Author: Hairraiser resort

I feel like my dad really doesn’t. He seems Ascended imo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49480250)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: Pontificating abode

Once in college I went like 2 weeks without nutting and ended up fucking a pretty fat mexican chick whose boyfriend was a legit gang member. I got her number in front of him too. He later sent me pics of himself holding guns on facebook. I wasn't even horny at that point it was like I was hungry for pussy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49480382)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 3:20 PM
Author: provocative pearly police squad theatre



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49480573)



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Date: December 6th, 2025 1:58 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:..:.




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49488728)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 2:30 PM
Author: jade gunner ceo

how do i stop this its consuming my life

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49480389)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 7:16 PM
Author: turquoise razzle goal in life

No idea.

If you're a porn watcher, stopping that is a good start.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49481453)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 3:18 PM
Author: drab overrated locale preventive strike

I went onto nofap over 8 years ago. It's been great. All kinds of crazy benefits.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49480558)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 3:36 PM
Author: angry hall

I suspect that everyone who claims to do nofap is lying.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49480622)



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Date: December 4th, 2025 12:34 PM
Author: Lascivious seedy love of her life masturbator

exactly. Its not possible and possibly bad for you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49483319)



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Date: December 4th, 2025 2:47 PM
Author: angry hall

Do you watch porn or use imagination? I think the rise of AI porn is going to be wild for men.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49483722)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 6:38 PM
Author: supple newt party of the first part

yeah especially after marriage

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49481328)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 8:25 PM
Author: angry hall

Wouldn't it be the opposite?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49481786)



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Date: December 4th, 2025 5:47 PM
Author: supple newt party of the first part

lol ok junior

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49484226)



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Date: December 5th, 2025 6:13 PM
Author: ""'"''""

Ok, I may be an idiot but I'm going to need you to explain this to me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49487092)



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Date: December 5th, 2025 7:09 PM
Author: \'\'\"\"\'\'\'\"

it's like fucking a man in the ass - you can explain until the cows come home, but ultimately you must experience it to truly understand.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49487188)



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Date: December 8th, 2025 7:04 PM
Author: ""'"''""

Well, you can stop fucking a man in the ass if you decide you don't like it. Stopping a marriage is, I hear, harder.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49495078)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 11:00 PM
Author: very tactful address keepsake machete



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49482288)



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Date: December 5th, 2025 6:17 PM
Author: Die Hard 2: Die Harder

It wanes a bit when the intensity of the orgasm wanes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49487098)



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Date: December 5th, 2025 7:11 PM
Author: Roblox

if you don't, you get cancer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49487197)



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Date: December 6th, 2025 12:47 PM
Author: ""'"''""

Do you think this is really true? The studies maxed out at 21 orgasms per month, but if true, it could be that more would have been even better, and men should aim for more than once per day.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49488533)



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Date: December 8th, 2025 10:07 PM
Author: Kenneth Play (emotional girth)

the studies do seem to suggest there is some benefit emptying out the pipes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49495510)



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Date: December 8th, 2025 10:21 PM
Author: Buck Broken

if i go a week+ without nutting my jizz will be yellowed and obv unhealthy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49495536)



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Date: December 8th, 2025 10:37 PM
Author: Madison Avenue Lemming Enslaved to Conformity

When I was a kid I listened to Howard Stern and he complained that he thought this shit would die down as he got older but it didn’t. I think he was in his mid-50s then.

I’m in my early 40s and still nut at least one per day, ideally twice. Sometimes 3x. I mean, if you have the time, why not?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49495556)



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Date: December 8th, 2025 10:52 PM
Author: Scut Farkas

on the assumption that the OP is a chick, I am masturbating right now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2/#49495580)