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SPLC INDICTMENT claims they pretty much invented the 'alt-right'
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Date: April 21st, 2026 6:37 PM Author: Iridescent big personal credit line rigor Blake Neff @BlakeSNeff While raising hundreds of millions of dollars from neurotic left-wingers via direct mail by stoking fear of surging "hate groups," the SPLC literally paid someone more than $270,000 to, among other things, plan and organize the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, VA. The SPLC also paid six-figure amounts to people at the same time they were listed as extremists the group was dedicated to battling against.
If accurate, the SPLC was literally funding and coordinating the "hate" surge it used to solicit funds for its operations. The whole organization was a con job.
Absolutely wild suff from the Trump DOJ. Here’s the full indictment: https://justice.gov/opa/media/1437146/dl
So MAGA was always fake? Is this what you are claiming, Trumpkins? That your whole 'moevment' was a lib psyop?
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 10:59 AM Author: glittery bronze forum travel guidebook They create the “disease” and then sell the “cure” lol. You have to manufacture “racism” to “battle” it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49834107) |
Date: April 21st, 2026 6:40 PM Author: Vigorous Idea He Suggested Most of the culture wars BS is a psyop from the elites to keep us divided. Not surprised at all if the SPLC was working toward that goal the whole time, in addition to creating demand for its own services.
Blake Neff, like all the other reactionary Trumptards, fell for it hard. |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 6:43 PM Author: Salmon multi-billionaire old irish cottage BIG IF TRUE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49832805) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 8:55 PM Author: onyx angry university messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49833142) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 6:45 PM Author: violent stimulating home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49832810) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 6:46 PM Author: laughsome black weed whacker charge those shitlibs with accessory to murder of Heather heyer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49832812) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 6:46 PM Author: Cordovan bateful spot dysfunction What was the DOJ’s and FBI’s and Epstein’s role in this? Any coordination? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49832813) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 6:48 PM Author: Vigorous Idea He Suggested Epstein met with the creator of 4chan right before the /pol/ board was created, and QAnon popped up there shortly after. There were also emails around that meeting talking about how useful 4chan could be. So the Epstein class definitely propped up the alt-right in that way. Some people even think Bannon was Q. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49832818) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 6:53 PM Author: Iridescent big personal credit line rigor we're through the looking glass here, people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49832827) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 6:55 PM Author: Salmon multi-billionaire old irish cottage *The Rand Corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people, under the supervision of the reverse vampires snatches you up and disappears you* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49832829) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 1:10 AM Author: Light naked piazza liquid oxygen > right before the /pol/ board was created, and QAnon popped up there shortly after
/pol/ predates qanon by years, it went online in 2011 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki//pol/
qanon didn't start until 2017 |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 1:21 AM Author: Vigorous Idea He Suggested Oh my bad I thought it was within a few years but either way /pol/ is where QAnon was incubated (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49833642) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 6:46 PM Author: big-titted amethyst roommate fortuitous meteor Person of Interest had a subplot like this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49832814) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 6:47 PM Author: multi-colored goyim Would not be at all surprised if it ends up coming out that they literally had Richard Spencer on their payroll (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49832817) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 6:51 PM Author: Cordovan bateful spot dysfunction Or Fuentes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49832823) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 8:55 PM Author: onyx angry university messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49833144) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 8:56 PM Author: Dead Jet Sandwich Hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49833145) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 9:31 PM Author: Painfully honest chestnut internal respiration didnt he turn into a standard dem pretty quickly after this went down? seems more likely than not (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49833200) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 6:53 PM Author: Adulterous Wonderful Jap Why do I always roll my eyes at stuff like this? Even if it’s gets proven, like 10 years will have gone by and they’ll be like “ 😏 “ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49832826) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 7:02 PM Author: snowy gas station Lol wtf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49832852) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 7:27 PM Author: vengeful crusty selfie organic girlfriend well im sure this was just a one-time exception. no way these lefty orgs extended the fraud to, say, the 2020 election (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49832923) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 7:40 PM Author: Salmon multi-billionaire old irish cottage are you all willing to allow for the possibility that the Trump Admin knows this will get 12b6'ed but they were willing to bring this ridiculous conspiracy theory in court just to gin up their base a little? their base which apparently and to my shock a bit includes you all? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49832941) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 7:41 PM Author: multi-colored goyim No not really this is something that everyone assumed was happening for the past 30 years
Also you're Jewish |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 7:44 PM Author: Salmon multi-billionaire old irish cottage you think the SPLC has funded the Klu Klux Klan for 30 years? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49832949) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 7:46 PM Author: overrated gay lodge pozpig LIBS IS THE REAL RAYCISTS!?!?!?!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49832952) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 7:48 PM Author: multi-colored goyim They were unironically probably their single biggest source of funding other than the federal government itself, yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49832958) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 8:01 PM Author: Comical hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49832982) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 11:01 AM Author: Impertinent senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49834109) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 7:41 PM Author: Vigorous Idea He Suggested We all know the Trump admin makes shit up for lawsuits all the time – more often than not, really – but it wouldn't be surprising if this were true. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49832944) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 7:42 PM Author: overrated gay lodge pozpig Trumptards are the stupidest motherfuckers on the planet. They will gobble this up and ignore the inevitable dismissal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49832945) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 7:46 PM Author: laughsome black weed whacker No. 12b6 is a Civil Procedure rule, that would be a hawaii judge move to use it against a crimprosbro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49832953) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 7:55 PM Author: Salmon multi-billionaire old irish cottage # 1, Hawaii judge Fucks
Part B. - ljl @ shitttigators |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 7:43 PM Author: overrated gay lodge pozpig All a Democrat candidate at this point has to do is promise to hold everyone accountable who is using the federal government as Trump’s personal score settling service
They could run on this single campaign issue and win |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 7:49 PM Author: Vigorous Idea He Suggested But the DNC would never let a truly anti-corruption candidate win the nomination. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49832962) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 7:49 PM Author: razzle useless ape I'm sure the Trump DOJ has its best and brightest working on this, and this one won't turn out like the indictments of Comey, Letitia, the sandwich guy, Mark Kelly, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49832961) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 7:50 PM Author: overrated gay lodge pozpig Needed to rush something out on TACO Tuesday (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49832964) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 9:23 PM Author: Cobalt crackhouse Sandwich guy was objectively guilty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49833192) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 2:27 PM Author: Swashbuckling twinkling uncleanness Jury said he was objectively NOT guilty 🤷♂️ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49834496) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 3:26 PM Author: Exciting Set (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49834687) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 8:00 PM Author: Comical hall This should void the James Fields sham conviction (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49832981) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 10:46 AM Author: dull talking factory reset button address (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49834058) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 8:47 PM Author: irradiated gaped principal's office lol, we’ll see what unfolds (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49833128) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 8:49 PM Author: adventurous friendly grandma more Jew psyop bullshit
see also: 'Tucker is paid by Putin and his entire audience is bots! Tune it to Mark Levin tonight for authentic, grassroots MAGA!' |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 8:50 PM Author: carnelian cruise ship Is this Blake Neff feller a reliable source? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49833140) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 8:54 PM Author: Dead Jet Sandwich Hominid not surprising. all the actual alt-right figures thought Charlottesville was retarded and had no idea who the goons behind it were. was obviously a false flag by someone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49833141) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 9:03 PM Author: Arousing Dilemma Bbw i'm still waiting to hear what the crime is. i'm not denying it's a crime.
but what a fucking fraud on the public. lol. the demand for racism so far exceeds the supply that the SPLC had to spend real money to gin up some racism. |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 9:40 PM Author: laughsome black weed whacker Appears to be defrauding donors by misrepresenting how their funds were used
the consequences of non-profits being held criminally accountable for the story they tell would be earth shattering |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 12:59 AM Author: disturbing space (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49833627) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 1:51 AM Author: razzle useless ape 💯 BTW, I recently started a GoFundMe to Finish the WALL!! Pls donate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49833651) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 11:38 AM Author: overrated gay lodge pozpig I'm sure donors to the SPLC were shocked to learn their funds were used in this fashion.
Is the big brained theory here that SPLC was fraudulent in not cutting checks to their informants directly from the SPLC itself? Did it need to be a giant cardboard check so every person who donated could see? |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 9:33 PM Author: floppy church building this doesn't explain or reveal much, since groups like the 'national alliance' and 'the KKK' were irrelevant by the 2010's. it would be more interesting to see some modern/current groups on the list rather than relics of the 60's/70's. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49833205) |
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Date: April 21st, 2026 11:56 PM Author: Cordovan bateful spot dysfunction Modern groups are all FBI, sorry. See "proud boys" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49833543) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 10:40 AM Author: Arousing Dilemma Bbw https://x.com/KatiePavlich/status/2046732842974027869/photo/1
this guy: paid $270,000 to poast racist comments. u: ? |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 10:56 AM Author: Iridescent big personal credit line rigor I put in my bid but he came in low. probably took a loss in order to get his foot in the door. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49834098) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 10:41 AM Author: Trip learning disabled plaza I thought XO created the alt-right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49834051) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 10:45 AM Author: dull talking factory reset button address People who post here have always vastly overinflated XO’s notoriety and influence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49834055) |
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Date: April 24th, 2026 2:46 AM Author: zippy turquoise dragon no u (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49839073) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 11:02 AM Author: Impertinent senate They also were behind ESPN promoting the SEC in college football to the detriment of other conferences (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49834111) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 11:03 AM Author: multi-colored goyim (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49834113) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 12:13 PM Author: Arousing Dilemma Bbw Alex Jones' crazy take, way back when, that Charlottesville was orgainzed by lefties:
https://x.com/HarrisonHSmith/status/2046795074520899807 |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 12:22 PM Author: Iridescent big personal credit line rigor Everyone though it was a set-up which is why a lot of major 'alt-right' guys avoided going. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49834225) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 12:24 PM Author: Arousing Dilemma Bbw TIL. i've seen Gavin McInness saying that his group was being heavily pressured to attend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49834230) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 12:38 PM Author: Impertinent senate A lot of us alt-right guys weren't allowed to attend by our asian wives (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49834246) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 12:51 PM Author: multi-colored goyim (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49834272) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 12:52 PM Author: Cobalt crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49834274) |
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Date: April 24th, 2026 8:14 AM Author: snowy gas station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49839255) |
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Date: April 24th, 2026 10:18 PM Author: Sepia insanely creepy trump supporter tanning salon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49841093) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 12:19 PM Author: Arousing Dilemma Bbw CNN: "A second informant was paid about $6,000 to take the fall for the theft, the indictment says."
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that sounds criminal to me.
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 12:42 PM Author: Diverse business firm laser beams Now THAT is a business plan! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49834251) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 12:49 PM Author: Arousing Dilemma Bbw Adams nailed it a while back.
https://x.com/BowTiedTrance/status/2046781312959181045 |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 1:01 PM Author: zippy turquoise dragon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49834298) |
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Date: April 24th, 2026 2:11 AM Author: Diverse business firm laser beams (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49839061) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 12:48 PM Author: fragrant mauve stage mexican This reminds me of MAGAs converting “the FBI responded to MAGA J6 riots and had informants!” into “the FBI organized J6!”
MAGAs are extremely stupid. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 2:26 PM Author: Swashbuckling twinkling uncleanness Odds of a conviction? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49834490) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 3:02 PM Author: fragrant mauve stage mexican Very, very low. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49834620) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 4:22 PM Author: onyx angry university messiness It's filed in Alabama. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49834815) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 4:37 PM Author: marvelous heaven milk very low. Even if it gets to trial and you get a conviction I can't imagine a circuit court upholding it. Unless the donor puts restrictions on the gift (ex. for a building), the donation can be used to carry out the purposes of the organization. And whether an activity furthers the org's purposes is up to directors, and their decision is given a very high degree of deference (typically something called the "business judgment rule"). If there's some rational justification for the expense, it's protected. SPLC has a pretty rational justification here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49834851) |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 9:53 AM Author: translucent keepsake machete rehab no one cares about gay lawyer shit you fucking loser toolbox. Everyone now knows these people are scammers and full of shit. Damage already is done. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49841537) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 2:29 PM Author: Swashbuckling twinkling uncleanness This has a very “undercover FBI agents made us attack police on J6” feel to it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49834503) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 3:02 PM Author: fragrant mauve stage mexican (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49834618) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 4:39 PM Author: alcoholic frum stead toaster Cr, I also agree it sounds true (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49834857) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 4:39 PM Author: Cordovan bateful spot dysfunction Nice to know your hallucinations are emotive and produce feels in you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49834859) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 4:45 PM Author: Arousing Dilemma Bbw ... except ...
the criminal charges are based on deceptive flows of money. let's see what an Alabama jury thinks. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2026 4:59 PM Author: marvelous heaven milk middle district of alabama is majority black. jury instructions would be very deferential to defendants given the law on the subject. this probably won't ever get to a jury anyway. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49834919) |
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Date: April 24th, 2026 8:34 AM Author: Arousing Dilemma Bbw do you have any link to the law on the subject? i'm curious. the SPLC behavior is deceptive and sleazy but i'm not convinced that it was a crime.
also, don't underestimate the willingness of black jurors to conclude that a white-led organization titled "southern poverty" is a self-aggrandizing piece of shit. |
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Date: April 24th, 2026 10:00 AM Author: fragrant mauve stage mexican State your IQ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49839479) |
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Date: April 24th, 2026 9:07 AM Author: Adulterous Wonderful Jap Im doing everything I can to get on that Jury. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49839343) |
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Date: April 24th, 2026 9:28 AM Author: exhilarant whorehouse masturbator your honor the jury requests access to approximately 3276 pages of gamefaqs message board records to aid its deliberative process. the purchasing patterns of scumbags circa 2002 bears directly on the question of whether funds donated under the guise of combating “southern poverty” were misdirected, and not to give anything away but if just one red cent ended up funding any gamecube advertising whatsoever then i think we’ll have our answer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49839398) |
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Date: April 24th, 2026 9:38 AM Author: Iridescent big personal credit line rigor . (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49839429) |
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Date: April 24th, 2026 1:27 PM Author: Arousing Dilemma Bbw wt holy f?
CBS does a very reasonable job explaining the situation:
https://x.com/SteveGuest/status/2047125332030009656
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Date: April 24th, 2026 10:14 PM Author: Arousing Dilemma Bbw Scott Adams @ScottAdamsSays What are the odds those tiki torch carrying neo-Nazis from Charlottesville would only rally once? Feels like it was an American intel op against Trump. That’s my working assumption. 6:36 PM · Mar 8, 2023 · 1.8M Views
https://x.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1633657985288527872 |
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Date: April 27th, 2026 6:34 PM Author: translucent keepsake machete rehab btw these ppl totally had nothing to do with Jan 6th (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5859180&forum_id=2/#49847530) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2026 10:40 AM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, this is an insanely rambling, detailed side-tracking article on the SPLC situation. but there's a lot of interesting stuff in there.
tl;dr: under banking regs, it would be nearly impossible for SPLC to avoid committing a crime if it was doing the sort of deception it appears they were.
the article also has a long history of how SPLC effectively became an unchecked governmental power that could debank people and organizations.
https://www.complexsystemspodcast.com/episodes/splc-financial-infrastructure/ |
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Date: May 2nd, 2026 11:05 AM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, this is a fun irony. SPLC is getting fukt the way it used to screw over other people.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/29/business/fidelity-southern-poverty-law-center.html
Fidelity and Vanguard Won’t Allow Donations to Southern Poverty Law Center Both entities cited the Justice Department investigation into the civil rights organization in messages to its charitable account holders. |