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A reminder about Michael Jordan's first season w/ the Wizards (01-02)
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Date: December 23rd, 2020 12:19 PM Author: Tan ladyboy Before Jordan inured his knee on 2/7 going into the All Star break because of faggot Etan Thomas, he was averaging 6 rebounds, 5 assists, 1-2 steals, and 25 points a night at the ripe old age of 38 going on 39 years old. And he was on the upswing: In MJ's last ten games up to the injury, he was doing 7 rebounds, 6 assists, a steal and 30(!) points a night. Those are wild stats considering his age and the terrible caliber of the team he was playing on.
After the injury, he averaged 4 boards, 5 assists, a steal and 16 points a game on drastically reduced minutes for the rest of the season; he somewhat came back from the injury through the off-season to play in 02-03 but he was never in the same form he'd been in prior to colliding with Thomas. From this analysis, we may draw a few conclusions:
1) Jordan clearly had gas in the tank for another championship run or two 98 - 01. The numbers he was putting up as a WIZARD pre-injury weren't that far off from what he produced during the second three-peat (6/4/2/30). Again, that's insane. I'm thinking he takes 2 of 3 in another three seasons of play with a rebuilt Bulls roster after deadweight Pippen is discarded. Jordan retires in 2001 with eight rings and less wanderlust.
2) If Jordan hadn't injured himself in February 02, the shitty Wizards were going to have a playoff run and Jordan may have been in contention for MVP especially considering the narrative. It would have been wild seeing Jordan at 39 going balls out in the playoffs again and lighting up e.g., Orlando or Detroit for 45 points on any given night.
3) Jerry Krause is a fucking faggot.
That is all. |
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Date: April 15th, 2023 1:01 PM Author: Cream boiling water Shut the fuck up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#46189183) |
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Date: April 15th, 2023 1:02 PM Author: Cream boiling water You're perfect except for the "age" bullshit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#46189186) |
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Date: April 15th, 2023 1:03 PM Author: Cream boiling water You're perfect except for the "age" bullshit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#46189189) |
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Date: November 14th, 2025 1:31 PM Author: Pink sick church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#49430407) |
Date: December 23rd, 2020 1:00 PM Author: electric greedy tanning salon You guys hate on Lebron so hard but it’s bc of everything he and Rich Paul did that there will never be another Jerry Krause again. An incompetent team with an incompetent GM will always get pwn3d eventually. It’s unthinkable to imagine a GM fresh off a three peat today saying “OK we’re breaking up the team.” That might be the result of the behind the scenes talk and not offering stars enough to stay so they leave but it’s just absurd how butthurt that fat ugly troll got that people were giving Jordan too much credit instead of him. Pretty lulzy that Jordan made a 10 part doc series just to piss on his grave though, the subtext of which is “every time I or Larry Bird or Barkley shit on LeBron for not being loyal to a city we were being retarded house slaves. He was right and we were wrong.” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#41603414) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2020 1:07 PM Author: Adulterous chocolate set Asian or Jew? I can’t telll (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#41603460) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2020 3:21 PM Author: Tan ladyboy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#41604500) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2020 3:26 PM Author: Passionate Business Firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#41604531) |
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Date: December 12th, 2021 8:10 PM Author: chestnut stubborn stag film (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#43598722) |
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Date: December 12th, 2021 8:12 PM Author: mahogany excitant gaping coldplay fan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#43598729) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2020 1:04 PM Author: brindle foreskin sex offender Went to one of the home games that season and Jordan scored like 45 points and hit a buzzer beater. Was the best day of my life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#41603437) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2020 3:21 PM Author: Tan ladyboy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#41604499) |
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Date: January 3rd, 2023 7:56 PM Author: cocky aromatic marketing idea piazza But for him it was Tuesday (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#45737299) |
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Date: January 3rd, 2023 7:58 PM Author: fear-inspiring space Sort of like watching j shad poasting on any given Sunday. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#45737309) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2020 1:07 PM Author: Milky Box Office Gay Wizard That’s interesting, I had no idea
(Not sarcasm) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2020 3:21 PM Author: Tan ladyboy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#41604501) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2020 3:24 PM Author: Mentally Impaired Theater Circlehead Cr. I was busy with college and kind of dropped out of following the NBA then but from what I remember the impression was that he didn’t play that great and was a huge faggot taking peoples starting spots at the All Star game (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#41604523) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2020 3:21 PM Author: Tan ladyboy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#41604498) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2020 3:22 PM Author: aphrodisiac haunting puppy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#41604504) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2020 3:23 PM Author: Cheese-eating plaza lmao i remember when media was like OMG HE"S SO OLD
and the median age of XO now is probably 41-42
we could still maek it |
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Date: December 23rd, 2020 3:26 PM Author: razzle-dazzle public bath George Foreman did his 90s comeback solely to show people you can still maek it after 40 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#41604535) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2020 3:29 PM Author: Cheese-eating plaza i bet i could score 2 pts if i went out there today (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#41604562) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2020 3:26 PM Author: amethyst sneaky criminal national Krause is a faggot but the Bulls ended the right way. 2x 3-peats with no losses in the finals is very aesthetic and beautiful (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#41604529) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2020 3:26 PM Author: Passionate Business Firm They could have won another one in 99 at the very least (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#41604537) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2020 3:34 PM Author: amethyst sneaky criminal national I agree but 2 3-peats (6 in 8) is way more aesthetically pleasing than 3 and 4 (7 in 9).
3, 3, 6, and 8 are very harmonious. Augustine wrote at length about the perfection of the number 6.
3, 4, 7, and 9 are awkward, unbalanced, and ugly. |
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Date: December 23rd, 2020 3:43 PM Author: Passionate Business Firm Hmmm cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#41604687) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2020 3:57 PM Author: Tan ladyboy great poast (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#41604803) |
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Date: April 15th, 2023 1:32 PM Author: chartreuse abode shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#46189264) |
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Date: August 23rd, 2022 11:55 AM Author: Tan ladyboy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#45057246) |
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Date: April 15th, 2023 1:01 PM Author: bright university rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#46189178) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2020 3:57 PM Author: Tan ladyboy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#41604801) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2020 3:53 PM Author: Tan ladyboy Pippen was clearly on his way out all season. But the rest of them strike me as willing to stick around if it meant another championship run or three. Jordan and Rodman would both likely have been willing to take a haircut on salary if it meant increased cap room to bring on someone to take the SF position with major impact like Antonio McDyess. Or maybe do something more drastic like bring in a star center like Rik Smits.
The frustrating thing about the Bulls at the end of the 98 run is they still had so much versatility. There were 50 different ways a GM who gave a damn could have freshened up the lineup while still retaining Jordan-Rodman at the core to stock them for another run. But Krause didn't give a damn and the culture had become toxic there by 98; it was a prematurely ended dynasty. |
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Date: June 16th, 2021 2:32 PM Author: Tan ladyboy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#42637388) |
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Date: August 23rd, 2022 11:55 AM Author: Tan ladyboy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#45057249) |
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Date: August 23rd, 2022 12:02 PM Author: Awkward wonderful property clown True Greatness can only be destroyed from within, whether it’s the 90s Bulls or postwar USA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#45057298) |
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Date: April 15th, 2023 1:12 PM Author: Pearly Razzle Bawdyhouse Mcdyess could not have played the three (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#46189215) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2020 4:02 PM Author: Out-of-control boltzmann nba sucks and i dont watch it but all of the modern players would have split that michael jordan over their knee (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#41604841) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2020 4:09 PM Author: Tan ladyboy Nah. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#41604890) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2020 4:10 PM Author: Out-of-control boltzmann they would absolutely crush him lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#41604896) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2020 4:10 PM Author: Passionate Business Firm Asian or jew? I can't tell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#41604902) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2020 4:13 PM Author: Out-of-control boltzmann (guy who "saw him play live") lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#41604921) |
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Date: August 23rd, 2022 12:24 PM Author: odious goal in life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#45057421) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2020 4:06 PM Author: Tan ladyboy Straight chills:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEVCjUG1Mww |
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Date: December 23rd, 2020 5:50 PM Author: Tan ladyboy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#41605512) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2020 9:10 PM Author: Tan ladyboy Goddamn I can't stop thinking about this now. It's like seeing the sun for the first time. He had another couple championship runs in him WTF (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#41606727) |
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Date: December 28th, 2020 11:00 PM Author: Tan ladyboy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#41634754) |
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Date: June 16th, 2021 2:32 PM Author: Tan ladyboy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#42637390) |
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Date: December 28th, 2020 11:37 PM Author: Passionate Business Firm If MJ returned for the 99 season, what do you think the Bulls roster would have looked like? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#41635013) |
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Date: August 23rd, 2022 12:16 PM Author: Light up-to-no-good trust fund sound barrier Don't know but '99 was a strike shortened year. Season started in Jan. or something. Knicks couldn't get it together for the regular season and wound up as the 8 seed and rode it to the Finals. While that Knicks team was better than the Heat and Pacers (and swept Atlanta) I'm certain the Bulls could have put together a team with MJ to take down the Knicks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#45057370) |
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Date: August 23rd, 2022 12:22 PM Author: odious goal in life Yup. When the Last Dance aired I would talk with people about if they could have done it again in '99. Hell yeah they could have. They would have beaten the Knicks and whoever else easily. And then they would have beaten the Spurs with an old Robinson and young Duncan.
But by 2000, the Lakers were unstoppable with Shaq and Kobe and arguable the Pacers take out the Bulls (with a 37-year-old Jordan) in the playoffs. |
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Date: April 15th, 2023 12:58 PM Author: Glittery cuck Even by 2000 there are ways you could have a very, very competitive Bulls team still centered on Jordan. As pointed out above Pippen was clearly on the decline by 98 and he was unhappy with the organization. Both the suggestions already mentioned ITT are interesting. Say they'd taken someone like Antonio McDyess during the 98 strike and transitioned him into a starting small forward position. Or say they promoted Kukoc to a starter (he scored almost 20 ppg in the 98-99 season) and spent cap money on bringing on an all star center like Rik Smits. There are many ways to reconfigure the team after 98 that makes it a huge threat for another 3/4/5 years given you have Jordan at the core. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#46189162) |
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Date: April 15th, 2023 1:01 PM Author: brindle foreskin sex offender Lakers were unstoppable because they got Phil Jackson lol. He only went there because MJ retired (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#46189180) |
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Date: December 29th, 2020 12:20 AM Author: Spectacular lilac church Reminds me how manute bol was playing in the NBA in his 50s
Age is flame |
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Date: February 23rd, 2021 6:11 PM Author: Glittery cuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#41998225) |
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Date: June 1st, 2021 5:59 PM Author: Tan ladyboy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#42557277) |
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Date: June 16th, 2021 2:36 PM Author: Passionate Business Firm Here's the play where that faggot Thomas crashes into MJ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XgrUd9jUJLc |
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Date: June 16th, 2021 2:45 PM Author: Tan ladyboy I wish I could go back in time and take out Thomas to give MJ another playoff run. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#42637451) |
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Date: December 12th, 2021 8:47 PM Author: Khaki twisted den twinkling uncleanness Maybe we could. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#43598884) |
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Date: June 16th, 2021 2:56 PM Author: Tan ladyboy no not in the least. I enjoy this subthread because it makes sure this post I love keeps going to the top of the bort. I think neither more nor less of u because I don't even think about u (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#42637501) |
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Date: December 12th, 2021 8:13 PM Author: Poppy ratface Michael had the shit genes in the family:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJAIyXQ5wNU |
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Date: August 23rd, 2022 11:52 AM Author: Tan ladyboy Still think about this poast. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#45057233) |
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Date: August 23rd, 2022 12:19 PM Author: Tantric Site Dysfunction Why does the low caliber of his team make his stats more impressive? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#45057390) |
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Date: January 3rd, 2023 7:55 PM Author: fear-inspiring space Because, generally speaking (and there are exceptions) good teams tend to make good environments to achieve good stats. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#45737293) |
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Date: August 23rd, 2022 12:21 PM Author: racy karate well being injury prone is part and parcel of being that age.
there’s no way he could have maintained those numbers even if he was “healthy,” especially not into the playoffs |
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Date: August 23rd, 2022 12:23 PM Author: odious goal in life Jordan's Wizards at 39/40 were better than LeBron's Lakers at 37, also (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#45057411) |
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Date: January 3rd, 2023 7:53 PM Author: fear-inspiring space (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#45737282) |
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Date: January 3rd, 2023 7:59 PM Author: Tantric Site Dysfunction jordan dickriders love to talk about stats until lebron enters the convo.
lebron is 38 and averaging 29 8 and 7.
Oh now you'll pivot to discussions about intangibles and "being a winner".
Well jordan didn't win fucking shit with the wizards. they finished sub-500 both seasons so fuck off. |
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Date: January 3rd, 2023 8:03 PM Author: fear-inspiring space Oh man I thought you were being genuine and not glib in the other thread. Didn't realize who I was interacting with but thanks for the reminder. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#45737332) |
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Date: January 3rd, 2023 8:09 PM Author: Tantric Site Dysfunction the weird thing is i was being glib in the other thread but genuine here.
look i love jordan but the need by his supporters to shit on lebron and create this jordan mystique as if he never lost or didn't need to be surrounded by all-time greats in order to win is tiresome. |
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Date: April 15th, 2023 1:07 PM Author: Cream boiling water All fraud (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#46189201) |
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Date: April 15th, 2023 1:03 PM Author: Glittery cuck Okay? Jordan at the same age was doing 25/6/5 and on the upswing during the hand check era when every credible ball player has acknowledged he would have gone balls out under the current rules. So not sure what your point is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#46189191) |
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Date: November 14th, 2025 1:31 PM Author: Walnut marvelous parlor masturbator (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#49430409) |
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Date: April 15th, 2023 1:15 PM Author: Erotic lodge immigrant Also, keep in mind that Jordan did this 20+ years ago when defensive rules made scoring harder via hand checking and such. He also didn’t have our current understanding of proper nutrition. And orthopedic surgery techniques were not as good either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#46189227) |
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Date: April 15th, 2023 1:19 PM Author: Dark deer antler LeBron has kept in much better shape due to PED/nutrition/fitness improvements. Jordan looked pretty heavy with the Wizards. LeBron still looks fit as fuck. It's like Tennis players in the 80s and 90s were finished by early 30s, and now guys like Djokovic and Nadal in their mid to late 30s are still fitter than the 22 year olds. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#46189233) |
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Date: April 15th, 2023 1:22 PM Author: Glittery cuck Also, let's be honest, the Wizards were a shit-tier organization and Jordan only ended up there because of the fractious dismantling of the the Bulls, so Jordan played "GM" for a couple years trying to figure out wtf to do and then couldn't resist the itch to play. It might have been different if he'd stayed in Chicago and was getting access to the best possible everything within an organization that was honed to win championships. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#46189240) |
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Date: November 14th, 2025 1:25 PM Author: Walnut marvelous parlor masturbator (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#49430381) |
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Date: November 14th, 2025 1:32 PM Author: Walnut marvelous parlor masturbator incredible thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4719196&forum_id=2/#49430410) |
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Date: November 14th, 2025 1:41 PM Author: Pink sick church building If Jordan stayed the 99 Bulls coulda signed Vlade Divac and Charles Barkley and maybe win another title. Barkley took like 1.65 million per year to play in Houston that season.
Starting lineup: Ron Harper MJ Kukoc Barkley Divac
with Brent Barry coming off the bench. Could maybe beat the Spurs idk. |