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Finished THE EPIC OF GILGAMESH [not a lit mo] - thoughts ITT
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Date: May 5th, 2023 3:03 PM Author: Chartreuse useless brakes i found it well worth an hour of my time to read this tale that i've heard much talk about. random thoughts:
- i read the steven mitchell translation. wife got it from the library. i have no idea if it's good or bad, but it was clear and easily readable. it seems very modernized, which made it a very quick read -- knocked it out in like an hour over two days on the bike. i figured if it's called an EPIC, it'd be much longer; didn't realize it was so short.
- for epicness, i'd rank gilgamesh well below the odyssey and way, way above beowulf. adjusting for age, beowulf goes even lower for its lack of complexity.
- gigamesh is a fun, manly heroic epic. there's a lot of depth to it -- bros helping bros, the meaning of life and death, good and evil, collective punishment for man, etc. i enjoyed the story and thinking about the issues it raises.
it's significantly more complex than beowulf which i found very one-dimensional and with honor/heroism the only character trait that comes about. on the other hand, the plot is much simpler than not a whole lot happens in this short story.
- the big question i had in my head as i read the story was is whether gilgamesh's flood story debunks the divinity of the torah and the noah story. i just don't see how gilgamesh necessarily debunks the torah's divinity. a god-created flood could have actually happened in more or less the way set forth in genesis, and it could have been documented in BOTH the torah and also in a mesopotamian epic. i don't see how the fact that the story gilgamesh predates the lifetime of moses necessarily proves that the jews just stole the story from gilgamesh.
- it's funny because gilgamesh sounds like a turd name, as opposed to some mesopotamian bro.
- the seduction scene in the beginning was quite explicit for a 4,000 year old work. the priest brings in a hot chick to seduce gilgamesh's alter-ego bro dude and fuck him into good person, and i got HARD AS FUCK reading this account.
all in all, it's very little effort to read such a well known work, and anyone who hasn't read it should get off this shitboart and spend an hour reading it.
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Date: May 5th, 2023 3:32 PM Author: Olive pungent yarmulke boistinker Interesting stuff. I agree that the flood story certainly doesn’t need to chip away at the divinity of Genesis. Many scholars have noted the similarities and conclude that Genesis borrowed the story from ancient near-eastern literature. But I think the easiest answer is that both the Torah, and the author of the epic of Gilgamesh, likely experienced (or heard stories passed down from people who experienced) a flood unlike any other in human history. In other words, they are both describing the same event, one via a divinely inspired narrator, and the other via epic poetry. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5335421&forum_id=2/en-en/#46274226) |
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Date: May 5th, 2023 3:48 PM Author: Chartreuse useless brakes right. and IF you accept the truth and divinity of the torah and that there's an all knowing god, there's no reason this all knowing god wouldn't allow the flood narrative to be passed down not only through the torah but to pagan mesopotamians.
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Date: May 5th, 2023 3:53 PM Author: emerald coiffed ape or, you know, the massive flood we know actually occurred was noticed by a lot of people and the story passed down (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5335421&forum_id=2/en-en/#46274294) |
Date: May 5th, 2023 7:35 PM Author: Provocative frisky volcanic crater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5335421&forum_id=2/en-en/#46275105) |
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Date: May 5th, 2023 7:38 PM Author: pale range voyeur Lol at spinning your wheels to defend your Torah which obviously borrowed heavily from this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5335421&forum_id=2/en-en/#46275112) |
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Date: May 5th, 2023 7:42 PM Author: Chartreuse useless brakes oviously? lolno (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5335421&forum_id=2/en-en/#46275134) |
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Date: May 5th, 2023 8:52 PM Author: pale range voyeur Israel was probably still mostly polytheistic when Genesis was written. It’s clearly an ancient near East origin polemic written by Israelites who wanted Yahweh only worship. They retrofitted the stories from Gilgamesh and Enuma Elish to fit their rhetorical narrative. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5335421&forum_id=2/en-en/#46275404) |
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Date: May 6th, 2023 9:14 PM Author: Chartreuse useless brakes lol @ this 110 reddittt atheist garbage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5335421&forum_id=2/en-en/#46278897) |
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Date: May 7th, 2023 4:17 PM Author: pale range voyeur Try Yale, faggot. Your religion isn’t special. https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLh9mgdi4rNeyuvTEbD-Ei0JdMUujXfyWi |
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Date: May 6th, 2023 9:18 PM Author: hairless cuck athletic conference With which character (no matter how minor) do you relate? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5335421&forum_id=2/en-en/#46278913) |
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Date: May 6th, 2023 9:25 PM Author: Chartreuse useless brakes literally none. they're all way too manly. who do you think i relate to?
i relate to lots of the jews in the torah, especially the rank and file who were constantly bitching and whining to moses and wanting to go back to egypt because it was better than suffering in the desert. |
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Date: May 6th, 2023 10:22 PM Author: Provocative frisky volcanic crater 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5335421&forum_id=2/en-en/#46279168) |
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Date: May 7th, 2023 6:35 PM Author: Saffron excitant mexican Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5335421&forum_id=2/en-en/#46282076) |
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Date: May 6th, 2023 10:24 PM Author: Nudist cocky address sex offender was Gilgamesh an ancient alien at all? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5335421&forum_id=2/en-en/#46279173) |
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Date: May 7th, 2023 6:34 PM Author: Provocative frisky volcanic crater Cq (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5335421&forum_id=2/en-en/#46282071) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2025 6:46 PM Author: cock of michael obama reading it now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5335421&forum_id=2/en-en/#49367136) |