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Anything wrong with buying yr kid an enterprise used car ?

For like $12k some shitbox they don’t care they are ju...
alcoholic nursing home voyeur
  09/20/25
how shitty are they? https://www.enterprisecarsales.com/l...
saffron infuriating church building
  09/20/25
They aren’t bad. I had several as a grown ass man in l...
alcoholic nursing home voyeur
  09/20/25
The biggest cost of buying your kid a car is the liability e...
massive dysfunction pit
  09/20/25
Form an LLC that exists only to own this one car and lease i...
doobsian boistinker
  09/20/25
Even easier: his LLC can rent/lease to the son and then enjo...
geriatric violet market sex offender
  09/20/25
you guys are obviously brilliant with this nerd stuff thanks...
alcoholic nursing home voyeur
  09/20/25
Clever, but see: 2) there is no negligence or criminal wrong...
Glittery garnet base
  09/20/25
Use a cousin with a different surname to form the LLC in a s...
geriatric violet market sex offender
  09/20/25
Shitlawyers hate this ONE TRICK
Glittery garnet base
  09/20/25
That’s unlikely to work. Also, you can just buy anoth...
Glittery garnet base
  09/20/25
Teen can’t control a corp
Glittery garnet base
  09/20/25
its kenny no one takes him seriously afaik
alcoholic nursing home voyeur
  09/20/25
You can put a waiver in the LLC's charter allowing it to be ...
doobsian boistinker
  09/21/25
Stupid post. Everyone HNW should have an umbrella anyway.
Coral costumed dopamine crotch
  09/21/25
Hmmm How much is umbrella policy … and am I just bu...
alcoholic nursing home voyeur
  09/20/25
Beater is tcr for any sixteen year old, so no.
Glittery garnet base
  09/20/25
i thought about that but driving a real pos around is also a...
alcoholic nursing home voyeur
  09/20/25
I bought a used rental car a few years back and had great lu...
cracking hall karate
  09/20/25
Why would a used car company offer a warranty? Any warranty ...
Glittery garnet base
  09/20/25
Why should I give someone $15,000 for something that might b...
cracking hall karate
  09/20/25
a car with 30,000 miles on it isnt gonna fuck up over night ...
alcoholic nursing home voyeur
  09/20/25
Carmax does
Mewling gas station
  09/20/25
90-days or 4,000 miles hardly counts.
Glittery garnet base
  09/20/25
https://www.carmax.com/car-buying-process/maxcare-service-pl...
Mewling gas station
  09/20/25
That’s an extended warranty retard.
Glittery garnet base
  09/20/25
Ok what would you want instead, for it to be Priced In and F...
Mewling gas station
  09/21/25
No, you’re fundamentally misunderstanding the purpose ...
Glittery garnet base
  09/21/25
when was the last time you went to carmax? serious decline....
alcoholic nursing home voyeur
  09/20/25
I only go there to get a competitive quote on my trade in
Glittery garnet base
  09/20/25
thats a good call nowadays. honestly they are on a decline....
alcoholic nursing home voyeur
  09/20/25
There’s been a decline in everything champ
Mewling gas station
  09/20/25
well put some skin in the game first kiddo
alcoholic nursing home voyeur
  09/20/25
If you buy it at the right price it is fine. Some used cars ...
rusted forum
  09/20/25
thanks actually i was looking at camry as decent car because...
alcoholic nursing home voyeur
  09/20/25
This is outdated Gen X wisdom/prole wisdom that was valid in...
Mewling gas station
  09/20/25
lol at “the SHARP play is buy a sedan” This t...
Glittery garnet base
  09/20/25
i personally like sedans but really have to stretch locally ...
alcoholic nursing home voyeur
  09/20/25
Camry retains its value very well. It makes no sense to buy ...
rusted forum
  09/20/25
Every time I cross-shop with Hyundai or other cheap brand th...
Mewling gas station
  09/21/25
So who are the people buying camry's at 90% of new and why a...
;;......,.,.,.;.,.,.,.,.,
  09/22/25
My teenagers all drive something semi-modern with airbags, l...
Sexy magenta coffee pot
  09/20/25
Daddy Warbucks here
Glittery garnet base
  09/20/25
...
alcoholic nursing home voyeur
  09/20/25
They each started off in what’s now a 10 year old High...
Sexy magenta coffee pot
  09/20/25
...
Obsidian adulterous mad-dog skullcap goyim
  09/21/25
Why not just rent a Turo, steal it and change the plates &am...
Twinkling Property Rigor
  09/21/25
...
Glittery garnet base
  09/21/25
ITT proles who can’t afford a Mazda CX-50.
Sapphire Vengeful Theater
  09/21/25
enterprise kars 4 kids
Coral costumed dopamine crotch
  09/21/25
tcr is, as always, to just buy the best toyota or honda that...
silver state gaming laptop
  09/21/25
you'd take a 2010 corolla over a 2020 domestic?
saffron infuriating church building
  09/21/25
2010 corolla doesn't have a screen. Something to be said for...
rusted forum
  09/21/25
yes, every day of the week and twice on sundays, the point o...
silver state gaming laptop
  09/21/25
https://www.reddit.com/r/EnterpriseCarRental/comments/1c6e3g...
saffron infuriating church building
  09/21/25
OP will get some LINGLONG tires Enterprise is the low cos...
saffron infuriating church building
  09/21/25
its a cr way to buy kid a car
puce marvelous locale
  09/21/25
They are not priced in a way that would cause me to feel a n...
Insane ruby meetinghouse generalized bond
  09/21/25


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Date: September 20th, 2025 6:32 PM
Author: alcoholic nursing home voyeur

For like $12k some shitbox they don’t care they are just happy as hell to have wheels and you don’t have to be a taxi driver for them all weekend any more

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49287327)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 6:35 PM
Author: saffron infuriating church building

how shitty are they?

https://www.enterprisecarsales.com/list/buy-a-car/price---15000/?zipcode=10020

they dont look too bad

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49287332)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 6:37 PM
Author: alcoholic nursing home voyeur

They aren’t bad. I had several as a grown ass man in law school etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49287338)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 6:40 PM
Author: massive dysfunction pit

The biggest cost of buying your kid a car is the liability expousre. Imagine they kill someone and the car is in your name. The victim's family will argue negligent entrustment to a shithead teenager. Now you gotta lawyer up because your carrier isn't motivated to defend your personal assets. Then you're in the world where fraudulent conveyances are on the table as an actual GTO strategic decision. That's just part of the actual true cost. The $12k or whatever for some beat up jalopy is chump change

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49287345)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 6:43 PM
Author: doobsian boistinker

Form an LLC that exists only to own this one car and lease it to your son, and also he's the whole shareholder. Bam, you haven't created joinder with the liability.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49287349)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 10:09 PM
Author: geriatric violet market sex offender

Even easier: his LLC can rent/lease to the son and then enjoy the immunity of 49 U.S.C. § 30106.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49287931)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 10:32 PM
Author: alcoholic nursing home voyeur

you guys are obviously brilliant with this nerd stuff thanks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49287959)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 10:37 PM
Author: Glittery garnet base

Clever, but see: 2) there is no negligence or criminal wrongdoing on the part of the owner (or an affiliate of the owner).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49287966)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 10:45 PM
Author: geriatric violet market sex offender

Use a cousin with a different surname to form the LLC in a state without annual filing requirements.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49287985)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 10:46 PM
Author: Glittery garnet base

Shitlawyers hate this ONE TRICK

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49287994)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 10:35 PM
Author: Glittery garnet base

That’s unlikely to work. Also, you can just buy another $5 million in coverage.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49287962)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 10:36 PM
Author: Glittery garnet base

Teen can’t control a corp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49287965)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 10:43 PM
Author: alcoholic nursing home voyeur

its kenny no one takes him seriously afaik

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49287981)



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Date: September 21st, 2025 8:08 AM
Author: doobsian boistinker

You can put a waiver in the LLC's charter allowing it to be controlled by a teen

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49288401)



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Date: September 21st, 2025 8:17 AM
Author: Coral costumed dopamine crotch

Stupid post. Everyone HNW should have an umbrella anyway.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49288405)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 6:43 PM
Author: alcoholic nursing home voyeur

Hmmm

How much is umbrella policy … and am I just buying a lawsuit by buying one

I have commercials what not but it’s all local and just dumb get your name out there stuff any realtor would do I’m not a target

But maybe umbrella policy is appropriate in the next couple of years

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49287351)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 10:34 PM
Author: Glittery garnet base

Beater is tcr for any sixteen year old, so no.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49287961)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 10:48 PM
Author: alcoholic nursing home voyeur

i thought about that but driving a real pos around is also a liability plus we all know that kind of car is gonna run for 2 mos tops

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49288001)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 10:39 PM
Author: cracking hall karate

I bought a used rental car a few years back and had great luck with it.

People claim that renters "beat the hell out of the car" but I think the reverse is true - plus the car has actually been regularly cleaned and serviced - and if it was a lemon Enterprise would've sent it back.

It's sort of wild to me that none of the used car companies really offer a meaningful warranty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49287969)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 10:41 PM
Author: Glittery garnet base

Why would a used car company offer a warranty? Any warranty as good as a factory warranty would be too expensive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49287973)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 10:45 PM
Author: cracking hall karate

Why should I give someone $15,000 for something that might break in a week?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49287986)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 10:46 PM
Author: alcoholic nursing home voyeur

a car with 30,000 miles on it isnt gonna fuck up over night thats what i tokld my wife back in the old days when she bitched about getting a shitbox which i bought

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49287996)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 10:47 PM
Author: Mewling gas station

Carmax does

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49287997)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 10:49 PM
Author: Glittery garnet base

90-days or 4,000 miles hardly counts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49288005)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 10:55 PM
Author: Mewling gas station

https://www.carmax.com/car-buying-process/maxcare-service-plans#maxCareCalculator

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49288020)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 11:04 PM
Author: Glittery garnet base

That’s an extended warranty retard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49288035)



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Date: September 21st, 2025 8:27 AM
Author: Mewling gas station

Ok what would you want instead, for it to be Priced In and Free? Your a joke.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49288415)



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Date: September 21st, 2025 3:35 PM
Author: Glittery garnet base

No, you’re fundamentally misunderstanding the purpose and economics of a warranty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49289519)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 10:49 PM
Author: alcoholic nursing home voyeur

when was the last time you went to carmax? serious decline. they cant even prep a car for purchase without adding new dings to it getting it out of their garage.

am not going there any more, its new for me and wife from now on

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49288007)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 10:50 PM
Author: Glittery garnet base

I only go there to get a competitive quote on my trade in

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49288012)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 10:53 PM
Author: alcoholic nursing home voyeur

thats a good call nowadays. honestly they are on a decline. most of those heavily internet based companies for cars are getting fucked on the merchandise now and are fucking their customers as a result.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49288017)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 10:56 PM
Author: Mewling gas station

There’s been a decline in everything champ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49288022)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 11:02 PM
Author: alcoholic nursing home voyeur

well put some skin in the game first kiddo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49288031)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 10:41 PM
Author: rusted forum

If you buy it at the right price it is fine. Some used cars like I think Toyota Camry for example, are sold at such a high premium used it makes no sense and you should just buy new.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49287974)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 10:45 PM
Author: alcoholic nursing home voyeur

thanks actually i was looking at camry as decent car because i had one when i was a kid too but yeeah times have changed. I could do a shitty ford mini suv under $20K and he'd be happy as hell to have it and would probably be in good shape with it thru college assuming he doesnt drive it into a wall or do some dumb shit which would be out of character

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49287988)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 10:50 PM
Author: Mewling gas station

This is outdated Gen X wisdom/prole wisdom that was valid in like 1999. If you compare Toyota with Hyundai or some domestic the prices are way lower than you would think both used and new. The REAL value is in getting a sedan over a crossover because they’re like 10% as popular in 2025.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49288013)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 11:03 PM
Author: Glittery garnet base

lol at “the SHARP play is buy a sedan”

This thread reeks of middle aged men

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49288033)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 11:06 PM
Author: alcoholic nursing home voyeur

i personally like sedans but really have to stretch locally to find them used. maybe im missing something but when i need a sedan in 5 days its really hard to find one locally w low mileage

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49288038)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 11:41 PM
Author: rusted forum

Camry retains its value very well. It makes no sense to buy used. Just buy the car new, and it will depreciate slowly. But it doesn’t make sense to buy a car that has 30k miles on it for 95% of the new price.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49288102)



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Date: September 21st, 2025 10:01 AM
Author: Mewling gas station

Every time I cross-shop with Hyundai or other cheap brand the price is close af. It’s not like 1999 when a used Oldsmobile was $1k and Camry $7995

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49288534)



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Date: September 22nd, 2025 7:16 AM
Author: ;;......,.,.,.;.,.,.,.,., ( )


So who are the people buying camry's at 90% of new and why are they doing it? Seems like a strange market quirk

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49290719)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 11:07 PM
Author: Sexy magenta coffee pot

My teenagers all drive something semi-modern with airbags, lane departure warnings, blind spot detection, backup cameras, and (crucially, because it’s amazing how many teenagers fuck this up) rear end collision avoidance. Reasonably slow SUVs with some mass and not too much rollover potential.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49288040)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 11:10 PM
Author: Glittery garnet base

Daddy Warbucks here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49288045)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 11:12 PM
Author: alcoholic nursing home voyeur



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49288051)



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Date: September 20th, 2025 11:20 PM
Author: Sexy magenta coffee pot

They each started off in what’s now a 10 year old Highlander that they shared. Each gets their own older SUV when they go to college (the eldest chose a LandCruiser and I’m sure the others will too).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49288065)



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Date: September 21st, 2025 8:15 AM
Author: Obsidian adulterous mad-dog skullcap goyim



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49288404)



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Date: September 21st, 2025 8:21 AM
Author: Twinkling Property Rigor

Why not just rent a Turo, steal it and change the plates & reg & title, and then when the redditor comes whining after you for it shove him in a locker

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49288409)



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Date: September 21st, 2025 3:36 PM
Author: Glittery garnet base



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49289521)



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Date: September 21st, 2025 8:25 AM
Author: Sapphire Vengeful Theater

ITT proles who can’t afford a Mazda CX-50.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49288413)



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Date: September 21st, 2025 1:28 PM
Author: Coral costumed dopamine crotch

enterprise kars 4 kids

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49289209)



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Date: September 21st, 2025 3:44 PM
Author: silver state gaming laptop

tcr is, as always, to just buy the best toyota or honda that fits your budget, if you have 12k to spend get whatever civic you can find for that money, there is nothing wrong with a 10+ year old car with well over 100k miles on it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49289534)



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Date: September 21st, 2025 8:31 PM
Author: saffron infuriating church building

you'd take a 2010 corolla over a 2020 domestic?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49290060)



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Date: September 21st, 2025 8:35 PM
Author: rusted forum

2010 corolla doesn't have a screen. Something to be said for that in this day and age.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49290062)



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Date: September 21st, 2025 9:38 PM
Author: silver state gaming laptop

yes, every day of the week and twice on sundays, the point of a car is to work as a car not have a bunch of shit in it that breaks on top of the car function also fucking breaking

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49290202)



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Date: September 21st, 2025 8:41 PM
Author: saffron infuriating church building

https://www.reddit.com/r/EnterpriseCarRental/comments/1c6e3gf/pros_cons_buying_a_car_from_enterprise_rental_cars/

Having worked here, I wouldn’t do it. You might find a diamond in the rough, but I wouldn’t risk it. Yes, the vehicles are serviced on a meticulous schedule. BUT, enterprise makes sure that they don’t overpay for ANYTHING. The cheapest tires, oil, parts, you name it. OEM? Forget about it. Plus, the way that they wash and clean these vehicles is heinous. Proper washing practices of the paint to avoid scratches? Ha! Gentle chemicals used on interior surfaces to avoid permanent stains? No way man! Hell, most cars (especially Toyotas) never have the floor mats installed, so by the end of the rental life their carpets are torn to shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49290078)



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Date: September 21st, 2025 8:43 PM
Author: saffron infuriating church building

OP will get some LINGLONG tires

Enterprise is the low cost leader for a reason...

For instance, they will have a Mercedes Benz (or other high end car like an Alfa-Romeo, Maserati, Land Rover) that's due for it's Preventative Maintenance sit for as long as 4 days in their shop, not being rented, while the "shop manager" with no previous auto shop management experience tries to keep within his budget and searches Ebay and Amazon for a $20 aftermarket Chinese oil filter, rather than going to the dealership and paying $50 - 80 for an OEM oil filter. Cars that need antifreeze and windshield washer fluid are instead given straight tap water. And despite the fact that location managers can get dinged for not servicing the cars according to schedule, there are LOTS of times that a renter extends their rental period, and some car miss their PM service by as much as 5-6,000 miles!

Replacing worn tires with name brand tires like Goodyear or Bridgestone? No way! Enterprise buys their tires from companies that sell and deliver tires on a daily basis with names like LingLong, DoubleStar, Giti, and Sailun. These tires are made in China, Thailand, and Vietnam and their quality is subpar compared to an American made tire.

Cars like Chargers, Challengers, Mustangs and even Camrys are beat to sheet by renters, and frequently need their driven tires changes on a 10,000 mile schedule. In closing, I'd never, ever purchase a used car from Enterprise.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49290084)



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Date: September 21st, 2025 8:44 PM
Author: puce marvelous locale

its a cr way to buy kid a car

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5778103&forum_id=2/en-en/#49290090)



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Date: September 21st, 2025 9:10 PM
Author: Insane ruby meetinghouse generalized bond

They are not priced in a way that would cause me to feel a need to purchase one in order to save money

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