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PSA: Jones Day is ranked 15 by Vault and doesn't pay lockstep

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.
onyx space
  06/15/18
“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”
contagious ivory dog poop
  06/15/18
As I understand it.
Violent School Cafeteria Fat Ankles
  06/15/18
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Dashing Windowlicker
  06/15/18
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Dashing Windowlicker
  02/12/22
they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. th...
Claret locus double fault
  06/15/18
oh we got a legal expert here
Racy topaz principal's office faggotry
  10/06/21
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onyx space
  02/12/22
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Echoes of Wisdom
  08/12/25
they have no debt as I understand it
adventurous primrose french chef
  06/15/18
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Dashing Windowlicker
  06/15/18
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galvanic honey-headed pervert
  06/15/18
260k is a huge salary
adventurous primrose french chef
  06/15/18
goes a long way in shaker heights
Bronze unhinged dysfunction
  06/15/18
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charismatic skinny woman hominid
  06/15/18
Cr. Thats city janitor money
Dashing Windowlicker
  06/15/18
Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal ...
Cerebral famous landscape painting
  06/15/18
How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 ...
Razzle gunner
  02/12/21
It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your cha...
Floppy Twinkling Uncleanness Mother
  06/15/18
they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live ...
Claret locus double fault
  06/15/18
sounds 180
adventurous primrose french chef
  06/15/18
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charismatic skinny woman hominid
  06/15/18
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galvanic honey-headed pervert
  06/15/18
https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/myst...
Sable impressive lay goal in life
  06/15/18
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Dashing Windowlicker
  06/15/18
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Violent School Cafeteria Fat Ankles
  06/15/18
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galvanic honey-headed pervert
  06/15/18
https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1
galvanic honey-headed pervert
  06/15/18
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Floppy Twinkling Uncleanness Mother
  06/15/18
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crawly cordovan menage
  06/15/18
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galvanic honey-headed pervert
  02/15/21
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crawly cordovan menage
  10/06/21
is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 intera...
onyx space
  10/06/21
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onyx space
  01/18/25
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I hate being a lawyer and want to die
  08/12/25
omg 260k where do they get off
lascivious church building
  06/15/18
For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t ...
onyx space
  06/15/18
p depressing news going into the weekend
swashbuckling nighttime elastic band
  06/15/18
Eat my dick nigger lover
onyx space
  06/15/18
your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire...
swashbuckling nighttime elastic band
  06/15/18
Explain
onyx space
  06/15/18
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onyx space
  06/16/18
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onyx space
  09/04/18
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crawly cordovan menage
  06/16/18
yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put...
Demanding heady dragon electric furnace
  06/15/18
To be fair, *Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends
Turquoise Sex Offender
  06/15/18
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onyx space
  02/12/21
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aphrodisiac incel resort
  02/12/21
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galvanic honey-headed pervert
  02/15/21
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onyx space
  10/14/21
I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.
Mustard Exciting Yarmulke Point
  02/12/21
holy shit out the firm
Plum Supple Crackhouse
  02/12/21
or at least give us vault range. that is really low.
onyx space
  02/12/21
Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.
concupiscible stage
  02/12/21
it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression a...
onyx space
  02/12/21
That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cr...
concupiscible stage
  02/12/21
i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.
onyx space
  02/15/21
They systematically overpay top performers though. If you'r...
180 orchestra pit
  02/12/21
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aphrodisiac incel resort
  02/12/21
No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an...
Mustard Exciting Yarmulke Point
  02/12/21
Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they ca...
180 orchestra pit
  02/12/21
Better partnership odds
Vengeful range
  02/12/21
That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner ...
180 orchestra pit
  02/12/21
Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except f...
Vengeful range
  02/12/21
(Stevie Brogan)
Plum Supple Crackhouse
  02/12/21
lol no
clear idiot gas station
  02/12/21
how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Clevel...
Cerise bateful halford
  02/15/21
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onyx space
  06/29/21
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onyx space
  10/06/21
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bistre casino
  10/06/21
that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.
idiotic beady-eyed theatre
  10/06/21
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onyx space
  02/12/22


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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: onyx space

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36252934)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: contagious ivory dog poop

“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36252952)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:33 PM
Author: Violent School Cafeteria Fat Ankles

As I understand it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36253562)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:37 PM
Author: Dashing Windowlicker



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:55 AM
Author: Dashing Windowlicker



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Claret locus double fault

they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. the high ranking is from their NY and DC specialty practices, which didn't arrive until the 80s. they lost their entire DC office when it broke off to form crowell & moring

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36252972)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:10 PM
Author: Racy topaz principal's office faggotry

oh we got a legal expert here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#43231415)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:41 AM
Author: onyx space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#43955203)



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:15 PM
Author: Echoes of Wisdom ((zurich is stained))



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: adventurous primrose french chef

they have no debt as I understand it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36252979)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: Dashing Windowlicker



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: galvanic honey-headed pervert



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: adventurous primrose french chef

260k is a huge salary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36252984)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Bronze unhinged dysfunction

goes a long way in shaker heights

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36252989)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:41 PM
Author: charismatic skinny woman hominid



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Dashing Windowlicker

Cr. Thats city janitor money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36253068)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Cerebral famous landscape painting

Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal profession will always have a massive oversupply problem unless major changes are made.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36252986)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:14 PM
Author: Razzle gunner

How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 firms are all competing over the same band of graduates and to a lesser extent laterals. There's an oversupply of lawyers in the country but there isn't an oversupply of Class of 2017 Stanford Law graduates willing to do debt financing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41935785)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: Floppy Twinkling Uncleanness Mother

It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your chances of making a career of it v. maximizing your earnings. That's always been my impression, although maybe incorrect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36252995)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Claret locus double fault

they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live in the midwest making six figures as basically a career of counsel, it might work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36253002)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: adventurous primrose french chef

sounds 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36253004)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:42 PM
Author: charismatic skinny woman hominid



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: galvanic honey-headed pervert



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: Sable impressive lay goal in life

https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/mysterybox.png

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36253012)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Dashing Windowlicker



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: Violent School Cafeteria Fat Ankles



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: galvanic honey-headed pervert



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: galvanic honey-headed pervert

https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: Floppy Twinkling Uncleanness Mother



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:46 PM
Author: crawly cordovan menage



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: galvanic honey-headed pervert



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41949790)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:12 PM
Author: crawly cordovan menage



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: onyx space

is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 interacts with 7.2" guy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#43231447)



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Date: January 18th, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: onyx space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#48564541)



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:32 PM
Author: I hate being a lawyer and want to die



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: lascivious church building

omg 260k where do they get off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36253074)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: onyx space

For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t pay lockstep and was making 260k when I made partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36253521)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:28 PM
Author: swashbuckling nighttime elastic band

p depressing news going into the weekend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36253537)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:15 PM
Author: onyx space

Eat my dick nigger lover

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36253786)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: swashbuckling nighttime elastic band

your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire du jour

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36254215)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: onyx space

Explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36254517)



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Date: June 16th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: onyx space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36256523)



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Date: September 4th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: onyx space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36743851)



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Date: June 16th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: crawly cordovan menage



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:28 PM
Author: Demanding heady dragon electric furnace

yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put in some time and then afterwards you basically write your own ticket

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36253827)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: Turquoise Sex Offender

To be fair,

*Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36254339)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:22 PM
Author: onyx space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41933386)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:21 PM
Author: aphrodisiac incel resort



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41933826)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: galvanic honey-headed pervert



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41949789)



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Date: October 14th, 2021 1:53 PM
Author: onyx space



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:36 PM
Author: Mustard Exciting Yarmulke Point

I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41933507)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:37 PM
Author: Plum Supple Crackhouse

holy shit

out the firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41933521)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:15 PM
Author: onyx space

or at least give us vault range. that is really low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41933783)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:22 PM
Author: concupiscible stage

Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41933832)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: onyx space

it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression at firms that don't pay lockstep (like mine). I think when i made partner biglaw was at 180 or 190 for first years. i was making 260 when i was put up. my firm always matches the market salary for first years but does nothing for anyone year 2 and beyond.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41933852)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:27 PM
Author: concupiscible stage

That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cravath scale but it’s been a while since I’ve seen the list

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41933882)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:02 PM
Author: onyx space

i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41949761)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: 180 orchestra pit

They systematically overpay top performers though. If you're a 6th year doing 2400+ hours and unhappy with your pay and you're good, you could walk across the street to any other firm that does lockstep. But now you make the same as their worst sixth year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41933851)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:39 PM
Author: aphrodisiac incel resort



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41933950)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:10 PM
Author: Mustard Exciting Yarmulke Point

No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an associate of the same year at a lockstep firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41935758)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:57 PM
Author: 180 orchestra pit

Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they can go to another firm tomorrow and get more money?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41935989)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:00 PM
Author: Vengeful range

Better partnership odds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41935999)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:04 PM
Author: 180 orchestra pit

That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner classes, but it's a longer track too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41936016)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:10 PM
Author: Vengeful range

Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except for places where no one makes partner (Cravath, S&C, etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41936043)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:15 PM
Author: Plum Supple Crackhouse

(Stevie Brogan)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41935792)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:22 PM
Author: clear idiot gas station

lol no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41935828)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:12 PM
Author: Cerise bateful halford

how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Cleveland? the Shaker Heights trolling has got me curious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41949811)



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Date: June 29th, 2021 8:18 AM
Author: onyx space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#42703414)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:07 PM
Author: onyx space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#43231403)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:15 PM
Author: bistre casino



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: idiotic beady-eyed theatre

that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#43231452)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:43 AM
Author: onyx space



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