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Rabbi Had Me Talk To Prospective Cardozo 0L (at Sticker). CRUSHED His Dreams.
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:25 PM Author: cerebral parlour at shabbat, a rabbi told this kid with a stem phd to come talk to me about ip law.
he's considering enrolling in cardozo at sticker in the fall. i asked if his parents were helping, and he said nope, and he'd have to take out full loans for it.
then i proceeded to give him xo scholarship on TTTs being a scam with bullshit employment data, whittier closing down, etc. told him he'll be 200k in debt and may never make that money back.
he said no lawyer he talked to ever told him any of this before. jfc are other lawyers not saying anything of this shit to him? how fucking irresponsible.
he seemed to think he'd be okay with a patent bar number. i told him that means you MIGHT get a medium-paying job doing patent prosecution, not that you'll get biglaw ip.
i told him to get into a patent agent program and have them pay for law school, or just stay a patent agent. and see if he likes it.
pddj said i literally crushed his life dreams. i couldnt tell bc im low eq but she said he seemed like he was about to cry. |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:28 PM Author: confused painfully honest brunch internal respiration you're doing G-d's work (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#33205915) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:36 PM Author: cerebral parlour it's a double mitzvah on shabbat! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#33205988) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 6:43 PM Author: Sable Drunken Forum (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#33207429) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:28 PM Author: Passionate mad-dog skullcap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#35509848) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 11:21 PM Author: Arousing immigrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#33209547) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:25 PM Author: Sable Drunken Forum (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#35509835) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 11:25 PM Author: Glassy excitant new version "i told him to get into a patent agent program and have them pay for law school, or just stay a patent agent. and see if he likes it."
This makes a lot of sense. If he still wants to do it after learning a bit more (and potentially getting someone else to pay for it), godspeed. |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 2:16 PM Author: primrose degenerate indirect expression This guy has a STEM phd and the best he could get into was fucking Cardozo? What was the STEM field, biology? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#34011837) |
Date: May 1st, 2017 3:29 PM Author: gold tanning salon crotch I routinely get asked to speak to college juniors and seniors who are thinking about law school. I always try to discourage them by having the same sort of frank conversation you describe.
I am invariably the first one to go through the cost-benefit analysis with them.
Nearly every damn one of them has gone on to law school anyway, including several to TTTs and FTTs. |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:34 PM Author: Metal godawful plaza Thhe highest lsat scorers are not going to law school as much...dumbs are still going. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#33205965) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:36 PM Author: gold tanning salon crotch In an odd twist, that means that some who should not have gone to law school in the past because all they could muster would be a school in the 20-30 range are getting into decent programs, which might make it worth it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#33205991) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:13 AM Author: Mauve Macaca Faggot Firefighter Weirder, it's often the slightly dumber kids who are best suited for BigLaw and make partner. Just so long as they keep around one or two super nerds they'll be fine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#34010313) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:16 AM Author: razzmatazz hateful dilemma "decent programs" are not what make law school worth it. Cost is the determining factor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#34010339) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:38 PM Author: cerebral parlour cr. this kid isnt the first one i've had this frank convo with. usually they're just not about to put a deposit now.
but in any event, they literally never listen. retarded decisionmaking correlates to poor lsat scores. |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:29 PM Author: arrogant shitlib That is such a good thing to have done I can't believe DBG actually did it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#33205927) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:35 PM Author: cerebral parlour tbf i run xo law-school-is-a-scam scholarship on every prospective i meet. this is the first time i've ran it on a 0L deciding what to do in april/may who was sent by a rabbi to talk to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#33205980) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:32 PM Author: Mischievous maroon juggernaut resort You did a good thing even if you are autistic about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#33205939) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 6:40 PM Author: aphrodisiac ladyboy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#33207404) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:35 PM Author: Metal godawful plaza Where was his phd from? How does a phd stem fail the lsat that bad? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#33205969) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:39 PM Author: cerebral parlour cq
seems to be a top 10-25 stem program in his field.
the funny thing is he has options, unlike a fucking poli sci shithead. wtf is he thinking?
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:40 PM Author: Metal godawful plaza Big diff between top 10 and top 25..like huge difference
By stem, i hope he doesnt mean biology...ljl |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:41 PM Author: cerebral parlour he got a postdoc offer at a directional state u. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#33206040) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:46 PM Author: Metal godawful plaza Post doc isnt that impressive for stem. Tenurenjobs are where it is at. But still why the fuck is he going to law achool, esp since he bombed the lsat? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#33206071) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:55 PM Author: cerebral parlour cq. pddj thinks has to be retarded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#33206152) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:35 PM Author: Big-titted Adventurous Ticket Booth Dog Poop "good Shabbos" *DBJ expressionless getting up from seat near tearful jewdood* |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:36 PM Author: cerebral parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#33205986) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 1:32 PM Author: Big-titted Adventurous Ticket Booth Dog Poop I remember my poa being MUCH better when I was gakked Lol |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 3:02 PM Author: cerebral parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#37009445) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:57 PM Author: Glittery brindle senate Israel should plant a tree in your honor. You basically saved a Jew's life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#33206167) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 4:01 PM Author: cerebral parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#33206197) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 11:22 PM Author: Arousing immigrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#33209554) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 4:41 PM Author: cerebral parlour oh even the rabbi told me afterwards that i did the right thing. he said if someone solicits advice from you, you have to tell them your opinion and i have a basis for my opinion as an experienced lawyer.
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Date: May 1st, 2017 10:56 PM Author: Useless set idea he suggested cr, unless the person is a goy, in which case deception and trickery is the preferred approach. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#33209365) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 11:22 PM Author: Arousing immigrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#33209557) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2017 2:02 AM Author: cerebral parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#33210406) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:22 PM Author: crawly legal warrant milk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#35509816) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 5:42 PM Author: cerebral parlour oh yeah, he was convinced that he could lateral into a biglaw job even if he didnt get biglaw right off the bat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#33206995) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 6:35 PM Author: Big-titted Adventurous Ticket Booth Dog Poop moar like lateral from his debt to suicidal ideation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#33207378) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 6:40 PM Author: aphrodisiac ladyboy lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#33207403) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2017 11:14 AM Author: cerebral parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#33211536) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 6:41 PM Author: aphrodisiac ladyboy good on you, you probably saved this guy's life why isn't he working in STEM? STEM phd is ez money |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 10:51 PM Author: cerebral parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#33209308) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 10:52 PM Author: spruce coiffed menage OP is a hero (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#33209318) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 10:55 PM Author: cerebral parlour tyty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#33209348) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 1:45 AM Author: cerebral parlour UPDATE: this fucker just began LS. in 4 yrs he'll be wishing he listened to me
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:10 AM Author: Walnut multi-billionaire ljl
you did what you could, and why can't he get in to a T14 with a decent STEM PhD? |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:11 AM Author: cerebral parlour maybe he's not that smart? maybe he didnt realize he needed to grind thru the 20 LSAT practice tests to get a 165 if he's stupid enough to go to cardozo? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#34010289) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:15 AM Author: Walnut multi-billionaire if he is getting in to a good STEM PhD he is acing the GRE and a fortiori acing the LSAT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#34010337) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:18 AM Author: cerebral parlour maybe he has weaker verbal / RC skills. alternatively, smart people sometimes are out of practice doing LSAT type shit if they're in stem. i know xo likes to think of the lsat as an intelligence test, but two similarly IQ people -- one who has been doing equations for 4 yrs, and the other who has been deconstructing arguments on xo for 4 yrs -- are gonna have diff LSAT results. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#34010360) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:22 AM Author: Walnut multi-billionaire I'll buy that
as far as pure IQ tests go, GRE is closer than LSAT I'm sure, but that opens the door to a high IQ guy relatively bombing LSAT
I suppose he is avoiding post doc purgatory too, which isn't irrational |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:25 AM Author: cerebral parlour yesh, avoiding post doc purgatory makes sense. but why not get an industry job? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#34010423) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:33 AM Author: Walnut multi-billionaire agreed, terrible decision is a parent a lawyer? |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 2:06 PM Author: cerebral parlour nope. if parent were a lawyer, he'd tell the guy not to go (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#34011757) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:02 AM Author: cerebral parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#34010209) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:06 AM Author: diverse boiling water Stem phd probably cops an IP jerb hth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#34010238) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:10 AM Author: cerebral parlour not necessarily biglaw ip. might be a 80k patent prox gig at some small firm when he's 200k in the hole. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#34010274) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:18 AM Author: diverse boiling water nah he's good for biglaw IP if the PhD is in a desirable field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#34010359) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:21 AM Author: cerebral parlour unless he has good grades, he's still got to have some luck to end up at a SHITTY biglaw place.
and then what? there's still ONE | WRONG | MOVE and he could be shitcanned from ipbiglaw. or economy could downturn and he could be latham'd.
and what's the exit option? in-house ip gigs are still fucking hard to come by. so 150k in-house if all the stars align.
and he's still got the debt. the point is he should have stayed in stem. |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:31 AM Author: diverse boiling water nah incorrect.
NYC law school + hard STEM PhD cops IP biglaw man |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:33 AM Author: cerebral parlour not guaranteed. and not in a recession (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#34010532) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 2:09 PM Author: diverse boiling water Sorry about your polisci shit degree (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#34011787) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 2:11 PM Author: cerebral parlour i'm a stembro / biglawyer who does some ip (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#34011801) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:08 AM Author: Avocado Wonderful Toaster Going to lolschool without an in of some kind (HYS, wealthy folks, instate while living at home) is like playing musical chairs. When the music stops some people will have a place to sit, and some won't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#34010264) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:12 AM Author: Mauve Macaca Faggot Firefighter During the height of ITE, I was talking to a guy on his way to a true TTT after I noticed him studying for the LSAT in a bar. I told him that he shouldn't go and his argument that he should was that his friend (who went to a T14) was being paid $80k to not even work for a year. They're not worth saving. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#34010290) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:16 AM Author: Walnut multi-billionaire jfc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#34010340) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:13 AM Author: Slap-happy Theater My boss went to Dozo after 12 years as a marine. Alpha mother fucker and a major hard ass. As a bank MD he makes north of 300k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#34010307) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:14 AM Author: Mauve Macaca Faggot Firefighter That was when tuition was half today and that means he was on the GI Bill. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#34010323) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:15 AM Author: cerebral parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#34010329) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:16 AM Author: Walnut multi-billionaire (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#34010343) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:27 AM Author: beady-eyed area I'd bet that his success had more to do with being an alpha mother fucker/major hard ass and having the right rabbi. That's how it is at my place, got to have the right godfather/rabbi. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#34010449) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:29 AM Author: Exciting embarrassed to the bone jew Wow a hardass 45 year old marine earning what a 30 year old big law drone earns in the most expensive city in the country. Sign me up!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#34010474) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:34 AM Author: diverse boiling water 300k for a bank MD is absolute shit.
don't you work in compliance b/c you couldn't even cop ANY firm jerb out of TTTulane? |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:17 AM Author: beady-eyed area Damn. lol. He's in for a world of pain when he can't find a job and is looking at the doc review world. Isn't there a forum where doc reviewers post? You should have sent him there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#34010356) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:22 AM Author: black theater stage I think you guys don't understand the calculus for many people $160K seems like a fuckton of money and they'll chance it and can't imagine all the expenses and bullshit that comes with it... I usually burst lawyer dreams by asking my students whether they love grammar and sentence construction and they never do and then I say well lawyering is all about split infinitives and comma placement (this usually comes during an office hours discussion while their paper lies before them bleeding) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#34010403) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:27 AM Author: cerebral parlour that calculus is more understandable for some 21 yo retarded poli sci shithead.
a 26-27yo stem phd should be able to understand the flaw when it is explained to him. |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:23 AM Author: comical selfie you could tell him to go for one yr and drop out if not in top of class (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#34010404) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:24 AM Author: Walnut multi-billionaire this is not an insane suggestion (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#34010421) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:28 AM Author: cerebral parlour this idiot obviously doesnt get the concept that he has to be in the top of the class. he's not gonna listen to that either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#34010469) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:31 AM Author: Carnelian Spectacular Stead Biglaw score isn't bad at 20%
https://www.lstreports.com/schools/cardozo/
Just make sure you finish in top quarter and you have a shot. Law review is probably a near lock as long as you bid intell |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:34 AM Author: cerebral parlour 80% wont finish in the top 20%.
50/50 chance |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 2:13 PM Author: Thriller School Stain I'm worse, I got in on my lawl school's prospective students alumni interviews and I tell every single one to run far far away. As far as I know, not a single one has listened. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#34011812) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:20 PM Author: cerebral parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#35509805) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:29 PM Author: Contagious umber persian How were his first semester grades? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#35509854) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:38 PM Author: cerebral parlour dunno. curious to see what summer job he ends up with as a 2l (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#35509901) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 1:30 PM Author: cerebral parlour Update: ran into him. He got a 2L summer gig at a well known up boutique. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#37008679) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 1:33 PM Author: misunderstood well-lubricated quadroon inshallah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#37008698) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 1:33 PM Author: Bistre Hall Debt? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#37008702) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 2:12 PM Author: cerebral parlour Full debt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#37009063) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 2:55 PM Author: Bistre Hall Rich parents, or copping dat paye? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#37009412) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 3:03 PM Author: cerebral parlour i guess he thinks he's gonna maek it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#37009447) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 10:22 PM Author: i gave my cousin head (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2/en-en/#49210207) |