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Here's my take on the tsinah/zzz motion hearing
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 4:56 PM Author: Magenta hairraiser jap milk ZZZ won it hands fucking down. he opposed a motion, had a bitchy judge who didn't like him, and still managed to throw enough shit at the wall to stop it. thats what matters, RESULts. and he got them. lawsuit continues. discover spends more legal fees. whether he can leverage this victory for a settlement we'll see.
the citation stuff isn't a big deal at all. yea he should have known it but who cares. this is a tiny case for him. doesn't make sense to spend a bunch of time on it. He's probably sick of tsinah at this point too and is neutral on committing to this case.
the real blame goes to the lawyer for discover and its absurd she is being given a pass. she filed an MSJ and didn't include key evidence. it is HER motion, not ZZZ's motion. it is her burden and she asked the judge to just ASSUME tsinah paid. she is the one at fault and the one with the embarrasing performance.
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:10 PM Author: hilarious fat ankles cuckold i think you did great, bro. you won. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47552633) |
Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:00 PM Author: flickering bawdyhouse (ZZZ) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47552603) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:04 PM Author: Adventurous parlour why? just because this poaster is saying the exact same as zzz regarding an unrecorded hearing that he apparently viewed with the rest of us but didn't say shit about it until now, two days later? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47552611) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:04 PM Author: Magenta hairraiser jap milk i didn't even see the hearing i just read the thread summaries. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47552615) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:11 PM Author: hilarious fat ankles cuckold lmao, guy just reading thread summaries and making a very heated poast about how ZZZ is a good lawyer. sup bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47552634) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:14 PM Author: Magenta hairraiser jap milk not sure why that is unusual on a board full of alcoholic lawyers who fight about the gayest shit imaginable all day every day online (never in person) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47552646) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:22 PM Author: hilarious fat ankles cuckold it's weird that 3-4 people immediately concluded that you are ZZZ. weird stuff indeed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47552664) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:54 PM Author: Magenta hairraiser jap milk 12 angry posters
all wrong. but i still believe that when someone takes them through the evidence, they will see. acquit. |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:23 PM Author: Adventurous parlour good chance he's just stirring the pot and trying to juice candy ride/zzz up. reminds me of when the stevedores convinced ziggy to fight a guy 3x his size. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47552672) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:04 PM Author: Magenta hairraiser jap milk doesn't take a genuis to realize what happened. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47552612) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:05 PM Author: effete box office old irish cottage "this is a tiny case for him"
Cr, he also has some high-stakes landlord-tenant cases on his docket |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:06 PM Author: Magenta hairraiser jap milk "I've got a $4,000 case against Discover, and a bunch of tiny ones too" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47552619) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:09 PM Author: bossy copper hospital wagecucks OP is definitely not ZZZ, not even close. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47552628) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:36 PM Author: Bateful locus HaHa (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47552728) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:11 PM Author: black toaster heaven According to gunneratttt, if only ZZZ were a better lawyer, he would've lost on the MSJ and the case would already be over. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47552636) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:11 PM Author: hilarious fat ankles cuckold (either another ZZZ alt or RT) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47552637) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:18 PM Author: Adventurous parlour pretty sure this is rt. was responding in .5 seconds to all my posts until i called him rt. appearing everywhere to defend zzz and claims to make $1m+.
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512961&mc=89&forum_id=2#47552229
this whole episode is basically a litmus test for who is connected to candy ride/zzz. there is absolutely no unbiased lawyer who read the filings and viewed the hearing thinking "wow, zzz did a great job!" like, we all fuck up sometimes, and if this was me i'd own it or walk away. but the stubborn retardation is really what makes this great. this whole thing would have been over monday evening if candy ride didn't show up to defend zzz and declare victory. |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:27 PM Author: black toaster heaven Great detective work, man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47552682) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:31 PM Author: Adventurous parlour i mean you and candy ride/zzz don't exactly make it difficult. there is a reason epah just teases you guys here and treats your lawfare as the joke that it is.
btw, are you going to advise tsinah to file a knowingly false statement saying he didn't make the payment, or did the whole texas affair teach you the risks of lying to courts? |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:33 PM Author: black toaster heaven Obviously not going to disclose anyone's confidential litigation strategy here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47552707) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:50 PM Author: Adventurous parlour based on what we've seen from you and zzz so far i don't blame you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47552766) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 7:08 PM Author: hilarious fat ankles cuckold cr, don't want to jeopardize a $5k case. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47553059) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:13 PM Author: Supple senate sup Robert! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47552642) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:34 PM Author: black toaster heaven I'm not Robert (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47552709) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:13 PM Author: Magenta hairraiser jap milk Cr lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47552644) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:23 PM Author: hilarious fat ankles cuckold further evidence that you are NOT zzz (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47552670) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 7:54 PM Author: unholy learning disabled hominid Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47553183) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:13 PM Author: saffron stimulating pozpig King in the Torts! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47552643) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:19 PM Author: Adventurous parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47552655) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:37 PM Author: Bateful locus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47552730) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:41 PM Author: Bateful locus He absolutely defeated the MSJ, which is a victory of sorts. His underlying claim as to why TSINAH doesn't have to pay back the loan is dubious as fuck though (arguably frivolous), and since they're at this point, Discover will either ask for a fraction of the loan $ as a settlement or take him to trial and win a judgment that TSINAH will obviously never pay until he is either garnished or his "bank account" is levied. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47552736) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:42 PM Author: saffron stimulating pozpig One weird trick (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47552743) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:43 PM Author: Magenta hairraiser jap milk that would be hilarious if Discover wins a judgment that they try to enforce then tsinah sues them again for improper collection and it just keeps going on like this like the human centipede of lawsuits (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47552746) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:43 PM Author: Bateful locus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47552748) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:46 PM Author: Harsh chartreuse international law enforcement agency lay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47552755) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:51 PM Author: saffron stimulating pozpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47552772) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 11:34 PM Author: angry crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47553793) |
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Date: April 5th, 2024 1:55 AM Author: bossy copper hospital wagecucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47557076) |
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Date: April 7th, 2024 7:53 AM Author: Chest-beating Hyperactive Idiot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47561655) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:48 PM Author: Adventurous parlour tsinah sued discover here. the debt is like $10k. even if they just walk about because they're tired of dealing with candy ride, he won't have "won." the amount of time he's spent on this along with filing fees is worth far more than $10k.*
*Assuming Candy Ride could earn more than minimum wage with his UChicago degree, which is dubious. |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:53 PM Author: Magenta hairraiser jap milk thats what happens when you step to tsinah and ask for your money back with interest. dont step to the plate if you only want softballs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47552778) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 5:56 PM Author: Adventurous parlour debt collectors hate this one weird trick: have a friend with a law license who will spend hundreds of hours resisting collection efforts for a four figure loan. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47552789) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 6:44 PM Author: charcoal fragrant volcanic crater 4 figures is a lot of more key for an hr firm monkey tho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47552962) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 7:26 PM Author: Adventurous parlour being a partner at an employment law firm is a great accomplishment imo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47553126) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 7:29 PM Author: hilarious fat ankles cuckold (louis cannon) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47553131) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 7:30 PM Author: Magenta hairraiser jap milk Rabbi dont you dare defame, mock, threaten the best employment lawyer on this board (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47553135) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 7:24 PM Author: Rose ladyboy philosopher-king Are you sure the cause of action doesn't entitle ZZZ to attorneys fees? That would surely improve Discover's settlement posture after ZZZ racked up a bunch of hours defeating their MSJ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47553116) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 7:31 PM Author: Magenta hairraiser jap milk i am sure that ZZZZZZZ, and not me, is definitely going to get fees. and get this - costs, too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47553136) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 7:32 PM Author: hilarious fat ankles cuckold weren't you pretending to NOT be zzz? you should edit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47553140) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 7:38 PM Author: spectacular silver hairy legs trailer park (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47553153) |
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Date: April 4th, 2024 10:14 AM Author: hilarious fat ankles cuckold LMAO you actually edited your poast.
the poast previously said "oh, we will get fees- and more!" |
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Date: April 4th, 2024 10:17 AM Author: Adventurous parlour in several poasts i've said "why did you x" and he's responded "because i...".
he's quite dumb and it's not hard to trip him up and get him to self-out. which is why he's been recognized as one of the dumbest poasters here years now. |
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Date: April 4th, 2024 10:20 AM Author: Magenta hairraiser jap milk damn you got me! i was not just playing along either. you knew it all along. youre so smart. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47554540) |
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Date: April 7th, 2024 8:20 AM Author: hilarious fat ankles cuckold (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47561672) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 7:37 PM Author: Adventurous parlour i'm sure it does entitle zzz to attorneys fees. and all he has to do to get there is win on the merits and then convince a judge the hundreds of hours he spent on this is reasonable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47553151) |
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Date: April 5th, 2024 1:08 AM Author: know-it-all azn Why doesn't tsinah, who also has a law license, do all of this himself? Is the thought that he is incompetent to handle a five figure pro se debt collection case? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47557031) |
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Date: April 5th, 2024 1:09 AM Author: talented office someone here said that if you file several pro se cases in FL then you can be labeled a vexatious litigant and it has impact on filing future cases, but if you hire the same shitlawyer you evade this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47557032) |
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Date: April 6th, 2024 1:48 PM Author: Henna Chapel Police Squad clever girl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47560185) |
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Date: April 6th, 2024 1:50 PM Author: mauve whorehouse kike simp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47560188) |
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Date: April 7th, 2024 7:55 AM Author: Chest-beating Hyperactive Idiot you're not entitled to attorneys fees if you're pro se
how is this difficult to understand? the intent is to ratchet up the pressure against discover and to get them to fold.
again, for a board of ostensibly practicing attorneys, HOW IS THIS DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND? |
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Date: April 7th, 2024 8:18 AM Author: hilarious fat ankles cuckold many (maybe most) non-shitlawyers wouldn't be aware of that rule. there aren't that many shitlaw litigators here. however, there are a few and it is telling that none of them chimed in with this observation.
you don't have to (and probably won't) answer this, but are you paying ZZZ? |
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Date: April 7th, 2024 8:39 AM Author: Chest-beating Hyperactive Idiot I can't understand how a practicing attorney wouldn't be aware of the rule. It says it right there in the name: "Attorney Fees" -- fees for an attorney. If you're pro se (even if you are an attorney!) you are not an attorney for the proceedings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47561686) |
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Date: April 7th, 2024 8:49 AM Author: hilarious fat ankles cuckold why would a non-shitlawyer know this? another thing, non-shitlawyers don't think like shitlawyers, so your strategy would probably occur to CSLG but not people who push paper for corporations or work in house or whatever.
do you think that discover will fold after last week's hearing? i didn't get to listen, but it sounds like it was a debacle.
my guess is that you aren't paying for this representation on an hourly basis so what do you care. what is ZZZ getting out of this? experience? |
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Date: April 7th, 2024 8:53 AM Author: Chest-beating Hyperactive Idiot he's going to get paid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47561694) |
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Date: April 7th, 2024 9:14 AM Author: hilarious fat ankles cuckold unclear what you mean here. can you give details? ty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47561737) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 7:54 PM Author: yellow ticket booth pistol "This is a small case for him"
This point would be defensible if he was doing pro bono on behalf of a single mom.
Isn't he a lawyer being sued for not paying a credit card bill, making frivolous arguments in defense, and getting admonished by the judge for fucking things up? |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 7:57 PM Author: unholy learning disabled hominid Counterpoint, losing on the msj might have been the best result for TSINAH, because it would be reversed on appeal and discover would have to pay dem costs of appeal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47553194) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2024 8:01 PM Author: Magenta hairraiser jap milk Cr. IMO he wins either way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47553201) |
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Date: April 4th, 2024 10:14 AM Author: hilarious fat ankles cuckold why are you talking to yourself? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47554516) |
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Date: April 5th, 2024 12:56 AM Author: talented office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47557011) |
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Date: April 5th, 2024 7:25 AM Author: Supple senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47557291) |
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Date: April 5th, 2024 7:25 AM Author: Supple senate wrong account? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47557292) |
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Date: April 5th, 2024 12:55 AM Author: talented office Thank you THE BIG LIE, great poast/moniker synergy here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47557009) |
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Date: April 5th, 2024 7:42 AM Author: hilarious fat ankles cuckold Another odd thing just occurred to me. Considering op is not zzz, isn’t it amazing that he didn’t listen to the hearing but knew Discover’s atty was a woman? I didn’t listen but I assume that’s correct. Maybe people were posting about her gender and I missed it.
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Date: April 5th, 2024 8:25 AM Author: Magenta hairraiser jap milk More incredible detective work from Baltimore university’s finest. It couldn’t be that I saw the previous hearing a year or so ago and that there was a big discussion at that time of the somewhat attractive female lawyer then, or that the threads about this current hearing reference a female attorney for discover about 1000 times.
Don’t step to grads of the U of Maryland Law Center folks |
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Date: April 5th, 2024 8:27 AM Author: hilarious fat ankles cuckold 180,i missed all those. can someone link?
your memory retention is amazing considering you have zero actual connection to any of this and you just read about it on a chatboard. and a year ago!
i'm actually surprised it's the same lawyer. i assume she works at a shitlaw firm, and lawyers rarely stay at those places more than a few months or so. |
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Date: April 5th, 2024 8:31 AM Author: Magenta hairraiser jap milk Someone whose best law school they could get into requires an LSAT somewhere in the low 150s would probably think many things about me are amazing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47557376) |
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Date: April 5th, 2024 8:34 AM Author: hilarious fat ankles cuckold not flame, i got a 151 and i had to get a bunch of letters of recommendation to convince them to take me. i also was on academic probation my 2L year. but i wound up in biglaw somehow! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47557388) |
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Date: April 5th, 2024 8:44 AM Author: Adventurous parlour midlaw actually, lil breh. enjoy being a "partner" doing employment insurance defense. everyone knows midlaw is basically just a big collection of ttt shitlawyers lol. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47557401) |
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Date: April 5th, 2024 8:51 AM Author: hilarious fat ankles cuckold (HR lawyer) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47557413) |
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Date: April 5th, 2024 9:03 AM Author: Adventurous parlour candy ride started trying to do cover as a "real estate lawyer" who had a "partner" the other day, but when called out he stopped. they really aren't sending their best. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47557435) |
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Date: April 5th, 2024 8:49 AM Author: Honey-headed useless brakes cr and we all know TSINAH is just not gloating about it because he's a reserved, modest guy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47557409) |
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Date: April 5th, 2024 9:08 AM Author: hilarious fat ankles cuckold he wouldn't be here bragging if this was actually a win, definitely not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47557440) |
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Date: April 5th, 2024 9:17 AM Author: Adventurous parlour he did a couple drive-bys in the main hearing thread. it's very telling that he's not joining zzz here defending this shit to the hilt. tsinah has often had the good sense to stay away from xo in times like this. candy ride/zzz, not so much, lol. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47557448) |
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Date: April 6th, 2024 1:39 PM Author: hilarious fat ankles cuckold (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47560148) |
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Date: April 7th, 2024 7:57 AM Author: Chest-beating Hyperactive Idiot or I've just been very busy working three jobs and making more money than I've ever made in law for less work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47561659) |
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Date: April 7th, 2024 8:06 AM Author: hilarious fat ankles cuckold do you get sundays off? if so, i'm sure a number of people would be interested in your take on all this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47561665) |
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Date: April 7th, 2024 8:53 AM Author: Chest-beating Hyperactive Idiot I do! But I spend my weekends with my family, not with xo. I've only hopped on while the griddle heats up for pancakes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47561696) |
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Date: April 7th, 2024 8:57 AM Author: flickering bawdyhouse You're too busy to poast but it's "less work" than when you were practicing law and megapoasting? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#47561698) |
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Date: April 7th, 2024 9:16 AM Author: hilarious fat ankles cuckold i think what he may have meant was that on a 1:1 basis, the jobs are less work, but he has seven WFH coding jobs each paying $230k. in the aggregate, the guy doesn't have much free time.
that said, he is still pursuing a a meritless shitcase against discover. |
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Date: August 1st, 2025 6:12 AM Author: Adventurous parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5513109&forum_id=2/en-en/#49147812) |