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PSA: Jones Day is ranked 15 by Vault and doesn't pay lockstep

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.
big space foreskin
  06/15/18
“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”
maroon office
  06/15/18
As I understand it.
flickering twinkling macaca
  06/15/18
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Spruce insanely creepy institution
  06/15/18
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Spruce insanely creepy institution
  02/12/22
they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. th...
Dark pisswyrm
  06/15/18
oh we got a legal expert here
Razzle doobsian internal respiration
  10/06/21
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big space foreskin
  02/12/22
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Coprophilia Johnny
  08/12/25
they have no debt as I understand it
erotic sienna pozpig
  06/15/18
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Spruce insanely creepy institution
  06/15/18
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mahogany rambunctious quadroon
  06/15/18
260k is a huge salary
erotic sienna pozpig
  06/15/18
goes a long way in shaker heights
black appetizing trailer park
  06/15/18
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smoky piazza marketing idea
  06/15/18
Cr. Thats city janitor money
Spruce insanely creepy institution
  06/15/18
Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal ...
puce rehab volcanic crater
  06/15/18
How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 ...
tan locale electric furnace
  02/12/21
It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your cha...
frisky awkward death wish lodge
  06/15/18
they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live ...
Dark pisswyrm
  06/15/18
sounds 180
erotic sienna pozpig
  06/15/18
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smoky piazza marketing idea
  06/15/18
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mahogany rambunctious quadroon
  06/15/18
https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/myst...
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Spruce insanely creepy institution
  06/15/18
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flickering twinkling macaca
  06/15/18
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mahogany rambunctious quadroon
  06/15/18
https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1
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frisky awkward death wish lodge
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180 chartreuse school
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mahogany rambunctious quadroon
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180 chartreuse school
  10/06/21
is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 intera...
big space foreskin
  10/06/21
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big space foreskin
  01/18/25
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I hate being a lawyer and want to die
  08/12/25
omg 260k where do they get off
mind-boggling university filthpig
  06/15/18
For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t ...
big space foreskin
  06/15/18
p depressing news going into the weekend
cocky lettuce genital piercing
  06/15/18
Eat my dick nigger lover
big space foreskin
  06/15/18
your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire...
cocky lettuce genital piercing
  06/15/18
Explain
big space foreskin
  06/15/18
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big space foreskin
  06/16/18
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big space foreskin
  09/04/18
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180 chartreuse school
  06/16/18
yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put...
yellow national security agency whorehouse
  06/15/18
To be fair, *Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends
Obsidian Thriller Reading Party Parlor
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big space foreskin
  02/12/21
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zippy factory reset button
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mahogany rambunctious quadroon
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big space foreskin
  10/14/21
I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.
Fuchsia racy menage mother
  02/12/21
holy shit out the firm
yapping histrionic corner dopamine
  02/12/21
or at least give us vault range. that is really low.
big space foreskin
  02/12/21
Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.
misanthropic bawdyhouse sex offender
  02/12/21
it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression a...
big space foreskin
  02/12/21
That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cr...
misanthropic bawdyhouse sex offender
  02/12/21
i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.
big space foreskin
  02/15/21
They systematically overpay top performers though. If you'r...
nubile lay really tough guy
  02/12/21
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zippy factory reset button
  02/12/21
No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an...
Fuchsia racy menage mother
  02/12/21
Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they ca...
nubile lay really tough guy
  02/12/21
Better partnership odds
Plum temple
  02/12/21
That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner ...
nubile lay really tough guy
  02/12/21
Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except f...
Plum temple
  02/12/21
(Stevie Brogan)
yapping histrionic corner dopamine
  02/12/21
lol no
Out-of-control Magenta Feces
  02/12/21
how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Clevel...
Aromatic home
  02/15/21
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big space foreskin
  06/29/21
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big space foreskin
  10/06/21
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learning disabled fishy locus
  10/06/21
that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.
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  10/06/21
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big space foreskin
  02/12/22


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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: big space foreskin

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36252934)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: maroon office

“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36252952)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:33 PM
Author: flickering twinkling macaca

As I understand it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36253562)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:37 PM
Author: Spruce insanely creepy institution



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36253586)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:55 AM
Author: Spruce insanely creepy institution



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#43955228)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Dark pisswyrm

they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. the high ranking is from their NY and DC specialty practices, which didn't arrive until the 80s. they lost their entire DC office when it broke off to form crowell & moring

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36252972)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:10 PM
Author: Razzle doobsian internal respiration

oh we got a legal expert here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#43231415)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:41 AM
Author: big space foreskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#43955203)



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:15 PM
Author: Coprophilia Johnny ((zurich is stained))



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#49178217)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: erotic sienna pozpig

they have no debt as I understand it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36252979)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: Spruce insanely creepy institution



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36253066)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: mahogany rambunctious quadroon



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: erotic sienna pozpig

260k is a huge salary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36252984)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: black appetizing trailer park

goes a long way in shaker heights

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36252989)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:41 PM
Author: smoky piazza marketing idea



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36253024)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Spruce insanely creepy institution

Cr. Thats city janitor money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36253068)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: puce rehab volcanic crater

Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal profession will always have a massive oversupply problem unless major changes are made.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36252986)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:14 PM
Author: tan locale electric furnace

How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 firms are all competing over the same band of graduates and to a lesser extent laterals. There's an oversupply of lawyers in the country but there isn't an oversupply of Class of 2017 Stanford Law graduates willing to do debt financing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41935785)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: frisky awkward death wish lodge

It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your chances of making a career of it v. maximizing your earnings. That's always been my impression, although maybe incorrect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36252995)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Dark pisswyrm

they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live in the midwest making six figures as basically a career of counsel, it might work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36253002)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: erotic sienna pozpig

sounds 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36253004)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:42 PM
Author: smoky piazza marketing idea



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36253030)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: mahogany rambunctious quadroon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36253696)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: greedy weed whacker

https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/mysterybox.png

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36253012)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Spruce insanely creepy institution



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36253073)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: flickering twinkling macaca



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36253597)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: mahogany rambunctious quadroon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36253628)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: mahogany rambunctious quadroon

https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36253692)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: frisky awkward death wish lodge



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36253708)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:46 PM
Author: 180 chartreuse school



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36254559)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: mahogany rambunctious quadroon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41949790)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:12 PM
Author: 180 chartreuse school



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: big space foreskin

is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 interacts with 7.2" guy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#43231447)



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Date: January 18th, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: big space foreskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#48564541)



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:32 PM
Author: I hate being a lawyer and want to die



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#49178251)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: mind-boggling university filthpig

omg 260k where do they get off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36253074)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: big space foreskin

For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t pay lockstep and was making 260k when I made partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36253521)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:28 PM
Author: cocky lettuce genital piercing

p depressing news going into the weekend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36253537)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:15 PM
Author: big space foreskin

Eat my dick nigger lover

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36253786)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: cocky lettuce genital piercing

your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire du jour

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36254215)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: big space foreskin

Explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36254517)



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Date: June 16th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: big space foreskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36256523)



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Date: September 4th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: big space foreskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36743851)



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Date: June 16th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: 180 chartreuse school



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36254823)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:28 PM
Author: yellow national security agency whorehouse

yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put in some time and then afterwards you basically write your own ticket

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36253827)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: Obsidian Thriller Reading Party Parlor

To be fair,

*Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#36254339)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:22 PM
Author: big space foreskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41933386)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:21 PM
Author: zippy factory reset button



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41933826)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: mahogany rambunctious quadroon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41949789)



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Date: October 14th, 2021 1:53 PM
Author: big space foreskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#43271055)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:36 PM
Author: Fuchsia racy menage mother

I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41933507)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:37 PM
Author: yapping histrionic corner dopamine

holy shit

out the firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41933521)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:15 PM
Author: big space foreskin

or at least give us vault range. that is really low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41933783)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:22 PM
Author: misanthropic bawdyhouse sex offender

Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41933832)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: big space foreskin

it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression at firms that don't pay lockstep (like mine). I think when i made partner biglaw was at 180 or 190 for first years. i was making 260 when i was put up. my firm always matches the market salary for first years but does nothing for anyone year 2 and beyond.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41933852)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:27 PM
Author: misanthropic bawdyhouse sex offender

That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cravath scale but it’s been a while since I’ve seen the list

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41933882)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:02 PM
Author: big space foreskin

i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41949761)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: nubile lay really tough guy

They systematically overpay top performers though. If you're a 6th year doing 2400+ hours and unhappy with your pay and you're good, you could walk across the street to any other firm that does lockstep. But now you make the same as their worst sixth year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41933851)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:39 PM
Author: zippy factory reset button



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41933950)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:10 PM
Author: Fuchsia racy menage mother

No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an associate of the same year at a lockstep firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41935758)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:57 PM
Author: nubile lay really tough guy

Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they can go to another firm tomorrow and get more money?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41935989)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:00 PM
Author: Plum temple

Better partnership odds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41935999)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:04 PM
Author: nubile lay really tough guy

That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner classes, but it's a longer track too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41936016)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:10 PM
Author: Plum temple

Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except for places where no one makes partner (Cravath, S&C, etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41936043)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:15 PM
Author: yapping histrionic corner dopamine

(Stevie Brogan)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41935792)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:22 PM
Author: Out-of-control Magenta Feces

lol no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41935828)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:12 PM
Author: Aromatic home

how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Cleveland? the Shaker Heights trolling has got me curious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#41949811)



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Date: June 29th, 2021 8:18 AM
Author: big space foreskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#42703414)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:07 PM
Author: big space foreskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#43231403)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:15 PM
Author: learning disabled fishy locus



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: passionate white toilet seat

that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/en-en/#43231452)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:43 AM
Author: big space foreskin



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