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any books you read or wish you had read in high school? look...
galvanic plum property pistol
  12/18/25
I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderso...
Mauve set
  12/18/25
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712? Reasonable price, ...
flirting casino
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citrine dopamine garrison
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"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys...
startling arrogant shrine
  12/19/25
this is now forever in my search history I want you dead,...
startling arrogant shrine
  12/19/25
mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel
wonderful senate
  12/18/25
A few offhand: -On the Shortness of Life - Seneca -Sta...
passionate frozen bawdyhouse keepsake machete
  12/18/25
https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&a...
startling arrogant shrine
  12/19/25
or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of...
Concupiscible doobsian old irish cottage
  12/19/25
...
Cerebral spot main people
  12/18/25
Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters
Alcoholic karate office
  12/18/25
i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer readin...
galvanic plum property pistol
  12/18/25
Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Ce...
Alcoholic karate office
  12/18/25
they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your...
galvanic plum property pistol
  12/18/25
180
Alcoholic karate office
  12/18/25
The eyes and the impossible sourdough heart of samurai...
indecent boltzmann
  12/18/25
rocket boys is 180
ivory den
  12/18/25
Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo
indecent boltzmann
  12/18/25
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ivory den
  12/19/25
weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party...
Concupiscible doobsian old irish cottage
  12/22/25
CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" thos...
shimmering locale
  12/18/25
he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that&rsq...
galvanic plum property pistol
  12/18/25
The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)
bat shit crazy plaza cumskin
  12/18/25
ty for the recs, this is helpful i just asked him what bo...
galvanic plum property pistol
  12/18/25
Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has rea...
Sapphire house love of her life
  12/18/25
seconding count of monte cristo three musketeers is also ...
Titillating Flushed Whorehouse
  12/18/25
JackTales 🤡😳
flesh chest-beating telephone
  12/18/25
those are for reading out loud , clown
indecent boltzmann
  12/18/25
The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton https://www.amazon...
Racy insanely creepy chapel
  12/18/25
Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz) We Were Soldiers Once… And...
Crystalline Stubborn Site
  12/18/25
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Stirring Awkward Goal In Life
  12/18/25
I’m not even sure which author you’re talking ab...
Crystalline Stubborn Site
  12/18/25
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Stirring Awkward Goal In Life
  12/18/25
he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers &qu...
hairraiser associate
  12/21/25
Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000
ivory den
  12/18/25
No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a bet...
Crystalline Stubborn Site
  12/18/25
James Bond novels Conan (only read the flemming and howard...
cheese-eating travel guidebook idea he suggested
  12/18/25
The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.
passionate frozen bawdyhouse keepsake machete
  12/18/25
Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 ...
cheese-eating travel guidebook idea he suggested
  12/18/25
Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new boo...
passionate frozen bawdyhouse keepsake machete
  12/18/25
1. Goldfinger 2. Moonraker 3. Casino Royale 4. From Russ...
cheese-eating travel guidebook idea he suggested
  12/19/25
tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I th...
passionate frozen bawdyhouse keepsake machete
  12/21/25
cr
ivory den
  12/18/25
Anabasis
histrionic codepig dilemma
  12/18/25
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Stirring Awkward Goal In Life
  12/18/25
Flowers for Algernon
Floppy sick foreskin
  12/18/25
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Stirring Awkward Goal In Life
  12/18/25
a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it...
Talking hall
  12/18/25
Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in ...
Curious Gay Wizard Death Wish
  12/18/25
Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?) Zen and the Art of Motorc...
Charismatic Lodge Coldplay Fan
  12/18/25
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Stirring Awkward Goal In Life
  12/18/25
read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class i...
galvanic plum property pistol
  12/18/25
zorba the greek
ivory den
  12/18/25
...
Crystalline Stubborn Site
  12/18/25
Several good recs already upthread. Some others: The Thin...
shimmering locale
  12/18/25
Cr. list I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit ov...
Crystalline Stubborn Site
  12/18/25
The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorit...
overrated ticket booth
  12/18/25
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shimmering locale
  12/18/25
agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise cau...
hairraiser associate
  12/22/25
Watership Down A Day No Pigs Would Die 2nd Where the R...
mind-boggling jap mad-dog skullcap
  12/18/25
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Sepia Reading Party School
  12/18/25
Starship Troopers Enders Game Johnny Tremain Childhoods E...
duck-like jet rigpig
  12/18/25
A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES
startling arrogant shrine
  12/19/25
Neon Bible better rec for younger kid
histrionic codepig dilemma
  12/19/25
abridged edgar allen poe short stories
dull vigorous private investor stage
  12/19/25
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  12/26/25


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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:03 PM
Author: galvanic plum property pistol

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? looking for something that would be motivating / tools for life genre

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519424)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:15 PM
Author: Mauve set

I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderson (Broken Sword, Three Hearts and Three Lions) Fritz Lieber (Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser) etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519444)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:19 PM
Author: flirting casino

https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712?

Reasonable price, free shipping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519452)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: citrine dopamine garrison



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519458)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:35 AM
Author: startling arrogant shrine

"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys and crayons, a bubble bath, and lots of love."

-- School Library Journal

"Will undoubtedly be scooped up by families seeking queer representation in board books."

-- Kirkus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49521596)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:42 AM
Author: startling arrogant shrine

this is now forever in my search history

I want you dead, Malk Poo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49521719)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: wonderful senate

mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519459)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: passionate frozen bawdyhouse keepsake machete

A few offhand:

-On the Shortness of Life - Seneca

-Starship Troopers (the book is much better and more serious than the movie)

-Bonfire of the Vanities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519460)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:10 AM
Author: startling arrogant shrine

https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&forum_id=2#35633765

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49521571)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:32 AM
Author: Concupiscible doobsian old irish cottage

or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of his vanities

toughens him up a bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49522050)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:23 PM
Author: Cerebral spot main people



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519465)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: Alcoholic karate office

Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519476)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: galvanic plum property pistol

i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer reading assignments



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519493)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:34 PM
Author: Alcoholic karate office

Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Celestine Prophecy, Lord of the Flies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519513)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: galvanic plum property pistol

they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your other recs, ty!

he just finished peak, so hatchet is a good one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519523)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:45 PM
Author: Alcoholic karate office

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519559)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:01 PM
Author: indecent boltzmann

The eyes and the impossible

sourdough

heart of samurai

artemis

rocket boys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519953)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:13 PM
Author: ivory den

rocket boys is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49520282)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:18 PM
Author: indecent boltzmann

Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49521280)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:34 AM
Author: ivory den



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49521595)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 10:54 AM
Author: Concupiscible doobsian old irish cottage

weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party scene at my rural West Virginia high school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49530601)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: shimmering locale

CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" those by HS, especially later in HS?

My 7 year old just read--and really enjoyed--Hatchet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519755)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:00 PM
Author: galvanic plum property pistol

he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that’s more his reading level

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519767)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:28 PM
Author: bat shit crazy plaza cumskin

The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519483)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: galvanic plum property pistol

ty for the recs, this is helpful

i just asked him what book he’s reading (we’re on a flight) and its war and peace

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519489)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:24 PM
Author: Sapphire house love of her life

Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has read tons of other Russian lit and has a solid grounding in religion and philosophy.

Count of Monte Cristo is a goat novel that is also accessible and really exciting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519679)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: Titillating Flushed Whorehouse

seconding count of monte cristo

three musketeers is also great and vastly superior to any adaptation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519686)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: flesh chest-beating telephone

JackTales 🤡😳

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519490)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:02 PM
Author: indecent boltzmann

those are for reading out loud , clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519956)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: Racy insanely creepy chapel

The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton

https://www.amazon.com/Boy-Pink-Hair-Perez-Hilton/dp/0451234200

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519492)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:32 PM
Author: Crystalline Stubborn Site

Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz)

We Were Soldiers Once… And Young (Moore & Galloway)

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage (Lansing)

The Way of Men (Donovan)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519502)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:35 PM
Author: Stirring Awkward Goal In Life



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519701)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:45 PM
Author: Crystalline Stubborn Site

I’m not even sure which author you’re talking about, though I’m 99.99% sure that it’s not Moore or Galloway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519724)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:41 PM
Author: Stirring Awkward Goal In Life



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519873)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:48 PM
Author: hairraiser associate

he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers "androphile," a term he uses to describe romance and sex between masculine men

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Donovan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49528627)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:46 PM
Author: ivory den

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519898)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:28 PM
Author: Crystalline Stubborn Site

No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a better idea of what it means to be a man and to experience the thrill, the triumph, of surviving impossible odds. Leadership, loyalty, discipline. And then they get home and are like, fuck it, sign me up for WWI’s trenches

My middle son needed a bit of coaching on perseverance, so we read this together and then did a HARD AS FUCK mountain bike camping trip in western NC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49520739)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: cheese-eating travel guidebook idea he suggested

James Bond novels

Conan (only read the flemming and howard originals though)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519505)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:39 PM
Author: passionate frozen bawdyhouse keepsake machete

The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519535)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:51 PM
Author: cheese-eating travel guidebook idea he suggested

Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 or so) in a summer. all were 180. I tried reading the non-flemming but its not the same. They don't write novels like that anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519587)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: passionate frozen bawdyhouse keepsake machete

Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new books to read.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519744)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: cheese-eating travel guidebook idea he suggested

1. Goldfinger

2. Moonraker

3. Casino Royale

4. From Russia With Love

5. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

the order changes based on mood but these five are in a tier above.

the rest are all solid. for example, Diamonds are Forever is my least favorite and that is still leagues better than any modern espionage novel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49522101)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:44 PM
Author: passionate frozen bawdyhouse keepsake machete

tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49528612)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:46 PM
Author: ivory den

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519729)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:42 PM
Author: histrionic codepig dilemma

Anabasis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519542)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: Stirring Awkward Goal In Life



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519572)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:43 PM
Author: Floppy sick foreskin

Flowers for Algernon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519548)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: Stirring Awkward Goal In Life



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519568)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:55 PM
Author: Talking hall

a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it. great series for boys who like knights, politics, and violence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519602)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:30 PM
Author: Curious Gay Wizard Death Wish

Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in the series

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519689)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:36 PM
Author: Charismatic Lodge Coldplay Fan

Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?)

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

Dune

anything recent by Lawrence Millman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519705)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:37 PM
Author: Stirring Awkward Goal In Life



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519706)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:01 PM
Author: galvanic plum property pistol

read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class in hs. book was so so but class was 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519770)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:38 PM
Author: ivory den

zorba the greek



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519710)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:49 PM
Author: Crystalline Stubborn Site



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:53 PM
Author: shimmering locale

Several good recs already upthread. Some others:

The Things They Carried

Mark Twain--starting with Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn

1984

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (and throw in The Hobbit)

Infinite Jest

Moby Dick

Blood Meridian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49519751)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:30 PM
Author: Crystalline Stubborn Site

Cr. list

I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit overexposed to the hopelessly feminized librarian space for a time and was looked down upon as kind of trite. But it’s 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49520745)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:55 PM
Author: overrated ticket booth

The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorite. You shouldn't look down on librarian recs. This is all they do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49520815)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:12 PM
Author: shimmering locale



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49521254)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: hairraiser associate

agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise caution with the second and third sentences just given that the values may not be stoic masculine warrior

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49530736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:09 PM
Author: mind-boggling jap mad-dog skullcap

Watership Down

A Day No Pigs Would Die

2nd Where the Red Fern Grows

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49520246)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: Sepia Reading Party School



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49520756)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:40 PM
Author: duck-like jet rigpig

Starship Troopers

Enders Game

Johnny Tremain

Childhoods End

Rama



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2/en-en#49520778)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:16 AM
Author: startling arrogant shrine

A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES

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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:23 AM
Author: dull vigorous private investor stage

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Author: Electric abnormal cruise ship

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