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MLB Bros: Is Skenes' Cy Young @ 10-10 Worst For SP? (De Grom Won @ 10-9, 11-8)
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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:48 PM Author: 180 arrogant immigrant king felix won at 13-12.
obv relief pitchers have won with worse or losing records, but incredible how far baseball has come that a 10-10 record can win a cy young. |
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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:49 PM Author: pink autistic water buffalo hominid didnt some closers with a losing record win? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2:#49360993) |
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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:57 PM Author: Crimson Concupiscible Mad Cow Disease Fanboi Apparently only Gagne in '03. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2:#49361004) |
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Date: October 20th, 2025 12:00 AM Author: 180 arrogant immigrant n.b. looks like sutter won a cy @ 6-6 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2:#49361009) |
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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:58 PM Author: 180 arrogant immigrant yes, hence "SP" in the thread title and "obv relief pitchers" int he OP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2:#49361006) |
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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:59 PM Author: pink autistic water buffalo hominid sheeit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2:#49361008) |
Date: October 19th, 2025 11:58 PM Author: Umber house cy young was a great pitcher, but he didn't get a lot of wins (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2:#49361005) |
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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:58 PM Author: pink autistic water buffalo hominid good point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2:#49361007) |
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Date: October 20th, 2025 12:10 AM Author: Gaped Brethren Partner Cr it's not the Cy WINS award (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2:#49361025) |
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Date: October 20th, 2025 1:27 AM Author: Nudist new version He literally has the most wins and the most losses of any MLB pitcher ever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2:#49361092) |
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Date: October 20th, 2025 1:29 AM Author: big hissy fit nursing home you cant just magically win games as a pitcher when you dont give up any runs to begin with. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2:#49361097) |
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Date: October 20th, 2025 8:00 AM Author: 180 arrogant immigrant poor RC? nobody ITT is shitting on skenes. ITT we all recognize he's on a terrible team
the issue ITT is discussion of a fundamental shift in baseball thinking -- away from wins and losses, and toward advance stats. which is a good thing. a guy with a 10-10 record and a sub-2 ERA would never have won the cy prior to ~15 years ago bc of hur durr writers |
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Date: October 20th, 2025 8:14 AM Author: brilliant soul-stirring university nibblets See: 2004 NL Cy Young, where Clemens beat Big Unit because Roger was 18-4 while Randy was 16-14. Randy led the league in WAR (8.4 to Roger's 5.4), strike outs, WHIP, ERA+, and had 2.60 ERA to Roger's 2.98.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_2004.shtml#all_NL_CYA_voting |
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Date: October 20th, 2025 9:27 AM Author: 180 arrogant immigrant great example. yankee fan who loved clemens then -- even after he left -- and i was totally fine with that outcome at the time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2:#49361383) |
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Date: October 20th, 2025 10:49 AM Author: brilliant soul-stirring university nibblets Randy was 40 years old that year and threw a perfect game.
Ben Sheets actually also had way better stats than Roger but because he played in Milwaukee nobody gave a shit and he only got ONE tiny pink vote |
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Date: October 20th, 2025 11:07 AM Author: 180 arrogant immigrant Did randy juice? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2:#49361583) |
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Date: October 20th, 2025 11:32 AM Author: brilliant soul-stirring university nibblets Not sure why that matters but probably given that everyone juiced and he was coming off injuries in 2003 and he was so good as he got old. Argument against him juicing: he has never been accused, his stats can be explained by learning control as he got older/gave up a couple MPH. Conclusion: he's 18000000 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2:#49361619) |
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Date: October 20th, 2025 11:39 AM Author: 180 arrogant immigrant It’s an interesting question given he’s never been linked. Guys not linked that obviously doped, like David Ortiz, are heroes in the baseball media because they didn’t dope. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2:#49361626) |
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Date: October 20th, 2025 9:55 AM Author: Drunken nowag Only 3 players pitched 200+ innings.
In 2019, 15 pitchers did that. |
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Date: October 20th, 2025 10:21 AM Author: 180 arrogant immigrant these guys still have as many injuries and tommy john surgeries despite all this pussy pitch count crap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2:#49361477) |