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Was/is anyone here an HONEST biller in biglaw?

i turned off my timer if I was just chatting with coworkers,...
razzmatazz metal milk locale
  05/22/25
Look at this fucking nerd using a timer
Wonderful Newt
  05/23/25
230 with no fluff is fucking insane. I routinely billed 200 ...
Obsidian Forum Liquid Oxygen
  05/23/25
lol @ any "man" even using a timer, let alone turn...
glittery avocado piazza clown
  05/22/25
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histrionic pervert nibblets
  05/22/25
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bull headed son of senegal set
  05/22/25
When I was above 200 my bills were most honest.
violet adventurous space
  05/22/25
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Jade Kink-friendly Rehab Partner
  05/22/25
I bill only for time where I'm 100% engaged, doing my best a...
Aquamarine site
  05/22/25
Partner: Please see me
violet adventurous space
  05/22/25
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Jade Kink-friendly Rehab Partner
  05/22/25
I am the partner. That's what's so insane about this.
Aquamarine site
  05/22/25
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histrionic pervert nibblets
  05/22/25
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arrogant water buffalo
  05/23/25
the internal moral stress of retaining honesty is a large re...
Odious fiercely-loyal skinny woman
  05/22/25
why bother retaining honesty? the whole thing is fraud
Obsidian Forum Liquid Oxygen
  05/23/25
On average probably padded 15 %. Consider it your “tip...
dun electric furnace double fault
  05/22/25
18% is now normal and many biglaw firms are suggesting 20% o...
histrionic pervert nibblets
  05/22/25
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dun electric furnace double fault
  05/22/25
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Lake Home Codepig
  05/22/25
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violet adventurous space
  05/23/25
My favorite story is still that Sidley associate who wrote a...
violet adventurous space
  05/22/25
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glittery avocado piazza clown
  05/22/25
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vivacious shimmering generalized bond
  05/22/25
Any time I've been honest I've been passed up or fired Wh...
vivacious shimmering generalized bond
  05/22/25
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Motley brunch sex offender
  05/22/25
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histrionic pervert nibblets
  05/22/25
what happens when the truth comes out later?
razzmatazz metal milk locale
  05/22/25
Never does imo It's all a big ponzi scheme and everyone e...
vivacious shimmering generalized bond
  05/22/25
people who make it see the truth immediately, xo autistd and...
bearded violent national people who are hurt
  05/23/25
I’m more of a look at my sent inbox and estimate type ...
yellow hideous place of business
  05/22/25
...
arrogant water buffalo
  05/23/25
While I would bill more than my actual time frequently, I ne...
Big-titted state ape
  05/22/25
(superstar biglawyer)
Unholy garrison crotch
  05/22/25
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bearded violent national people who are hurt
  05/23/25
self preservation through mental gymnastics we're all good ...
charcoal principal's office
  05/23/25
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razzmatazz metal milk locale
  05/22/25
If someone makes $15 an hour at McDonalds, you don't get to ...
Beady-eyed Alpha Lodge
  05/22/25
>Similarly, when you get an email on your blackberry at 1...
glittery avocado piazza clown
  05/22/25
For a single email id do like a 0.3 or 0.4 but if you're ans...
Beady-eyed Alpha Lodge
  05/22/25
wait why cant they mop the floor when orders get slow
Misanthropic Bronze Therapy
  05/22/25
When its super slow, they should. When its just a short ...
Beady-eyed Alpha Lodge
  05/22/25
im all for workers rights but i dont think mickey d's employ...
Misanthropic Bronze Therapy
  05/22/25
...
violet adventurous space
  05/23/25
this guy gets it
Obsidian Forum Liquid Oxygen
  05/23/25
I bill mainly based upon the value of my work product to the...
brindle hairy legs
  05/22/25
(Wachtel)
violet adventurous space
  05/23/25
Why would anyone be honest when you can inflate your hours b...
godawful stage private investor
  05/23/25
The thing most non-Jewish juniors don’t understand is ...
glittery avocado piazza clown
  05/23/25
Real talk: the people who get "caught" are overbil...
Appetizing immigrant menage
  05/23/25
I once had to bill more than 24 hours in a day, because our ...
chocolate passionate factory reset button
  05/23/25
I massively underbill by a few hundred hours a year, often t...
Ruby Razzle-dazzle Persian Institution
  05/23/25
lol
Wonderful Newt
  05/23/25
At my V5 prestigious elite M&A MFH shop at which I was c...
Wonderful Newt
  05/23/25
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chocolate passionate factory reset button
  05/23/25
The first thing my biglaw partner told me on day 1 is that y...
duck-like disturbing school roommate
  05/23/25
I'm not even joking when I say that it's rare and heartwarmi...
Appetizing immigrant menage
  05/23/25
Wasn't this the premise for Jim Carrey's Liar Liar?
Lake Home Codepig
  05/23/25


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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:45 PM
Author: razzmatazz metal milk locale

i turned off my timer if I was just chatting with coworkers, browsing the internet for personal stuff, using the restroom.

also, if I accidentally left my timer running when I wasn't working, I subtracted the excess time based on my rough estimate.

under this system, the most i ever billed in a month was 230, and that was absolutely hellish.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48953664)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 8:41 AM
Author: Wonderful Newt

Look at this fucking nerd using a timer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48955796)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:17 AM
Author: Obsidian Forum Liquid Oxygen

230 with no fluff is fucking insane. I routinely billed 200 a month but actually workd like a hundred or so

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48956128)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:48 PM
Author: glittery avocado piazza clown

lol @ any "man" even using a timer, let alone turning it off. are u a fempoaster?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48953677)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:10 PM
Author: histrionic pervert nibblets



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48953775)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:49 PM
Author: bull headed son of senegal set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48953683)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:51 PM
Author: violet adventurous space

When I was above 200 my bills were most honest.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48953693)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:52 PM
Author: Jade Kink-friendly Rehab Partner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48953696)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:53 PM
Author: Aquamarine site

I bill only for time where I'm 100% engaged, doing my best and adding value

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48953697)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:57 PM
Author: violet adventurous space

Partner: Please see me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48953711)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:58 PM
Author: Jade Kink-friendly Rehab Partner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48953719)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:01 PM
Author: Aquamarine site

I am the partner. That's what's so insane about this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48953730)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:10 PM
Author: histrionic pervert nibblets



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48953776)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:32 AM
Author: arrogant water buffalo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48956167)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 12:55 PM
Author: Odious fiercely-loyal skinny woman

the internal moral stress of retaining honesty is a large reason why I left biglaw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48953704)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:18 AM
Author: Obsidian Forum Liquid Oxygen

why bother retaining honesty? the whole thing is fraud

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48956129)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:00 PM
Author: dun electric furnace double fault

On average probably padded 15 %. Consider it your “tip” for your services.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48953725)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:11 PM
Author: histrionic pervert nibblets

18% is now normal and many biglaw firms are suggesting 20% or even 22%

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48953779)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:18 PM
Author: dun electric furnace double fault



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48953815)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:19 PM
Author: Lake Home Codepig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48953820)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 6:26 AM
Author: violet adventurous space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48955678)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:12 PM
Author: violet adventurous space

My favorite story is still that Sidley associate who wrote an essay admitting to billing fraud and Sidley was like, “we checked and everything looked good to us. Here’s a ten percent rebate.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48953784)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:13 PM
Author: glittery avocado piazza clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48953787)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:23 PM
Author: vivacious shimmering generalized bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48953844)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:17 PM
Author: vivacious shimmering generalized bond

Any time I've been honest I've been passed up or fired

When applying I'd give honest solid resumes all passed up

Then I lie even a little bit and they all bite

I tell clients realistic timetables that are still aggressive but reasonable passed or fired eventually

Now I straight up lie

Employment is a satanic system built around forcing u to lie cheat and steal in some sick humiliation ritual

Few ever see the truth about this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48953813)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:19 PM
Author: Motley brunch sex offender



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48953819)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: histrionic pervert nibblets



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48953828)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 2:51 PM
Author: razzmatazz metal milk locale

what happens when the truth comes out later?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48954139)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: vivacious shimmering generalized bond

Never does imo

It's all a big ponzi scheme and everyone else is in on it trying not to be caught

Seems like u only get "caught" if u step out of line politically (call out jews etc) or are bottom of the barrel and are essentially a Aztec pyramid blood sacrifice

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48954150)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 9:29 AM
Author: bearded violent national people who are hurt

people who make it see the truth immediately, xo autistd and women struggle

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48955867)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 4:50 PM
Author: yellow hideous place of business

I’m more of a look at my sent inbox and estimate type of bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48954460)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:33 AM
Author: arrogant water buffalo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48956169)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 4:55 PM
Author: Big-titted state ape

While I would bill more than my actual time frequently, I never billed for more than the "value" of my work product. So yes I was honest.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48954471)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 5:22 PM
Author: Unholy garrison crotch

(superstar biglawyer)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48954578)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 9:29 AM
Author: bearded violent national people who are hurt



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48955868)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:28 AM
Author: charcoal principal's office

self preservation through mental gymnastics

we're all good people, right? especially me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48956161)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 5:14 PM
Author: razzmatazz metal milk locale



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48954529)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 9:45 PM
Author: Beady-eyed Alpha Lodge

If someone makes $15 an hour at McDonalds, you don't get to dock their pay because when the orders got slow, they chatted with their cowrker rather than mopped the floor.

The same thing applies to law. You take the time you were at work, working, and you divide proportionally.

It's not natural for a person to read 500 pages of bonds without a break - in fact most research says you need to take periodic breaks for your mind to regenerate.

YOu shouldn't "pause your timer" after draftig some document because you're taking a lap to the water cooler or checking Facebook for a bit because you can't rewrite Section 13.6 e.

Similarly, when you get an email on your blackberry at 11 pm, and it takes you 3 minutes to respond - that's not billed as a 0.05 hour. You had to be on call to check for that email, then you lost the momentum from your evening, you're going to think about that email for 10 minutes after, and the deal will be in your head for whatever else you were planning on doing that night.

My point being that whenever your brain is required to be in "work mode" - someone should be paying for that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48955165)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 10:27 PM
Author: glittery avocado piazza clown

>Similarly, when you get an email on your blackberry at 11 pm, and it takes you 3 minutes to respond - that's not billed as a 0.05 hour. You had to be on call to check for that email, then you lost the momentum from your evening, you're going to think about that email for 10 minutes after, and the deal will be in your head for whatever else you were planning on doing that night.

so what do you bill for that? 1.25 to me makes sense

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48955247)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: Beady-eyed Alpha Lodge

For a single email id do like a 0.3 or 0.4 but if you're answering multiple hours then i feel like the entire time is fair game

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48955262)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 10:35 PM
Author: Misanthropic Bronze Therapy

wait why cant they mop the floor when orders get slow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48955265)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 10:40 PM
Author: Beady-eyed Alpha Lodge

When its super slow, they should.

When its just a short break, people would quit if they were expected to be fully working 100% of the time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48955278)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 10:42 PM
Author: Misanthropic Bronze Therapy

im all for workers rights but i dont think mickey d's employees can actually quit. thats mickey d's whole business model.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48955287)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 6:28 AM
Author: violet adventurous space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48955680)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:21 AM
Author: Obsidian Forum Liquid Oxygen

this guy gets it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48956141)



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Date: May 22nd, 2025 10:51 PM
Author: brindle hairy legs

I bill mainly based upon the value of my work product to the client. If I work hard on something but don't end up with a product that helps the client very much then I will actually underbill for my hours spent. Usually the product is good, though, and then I'm pretty fucking loose in my billing. Me and everyone else I know.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48955307)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 6:28 AM
Author: violet adventurous space

(Wachtel)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48955681)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 7:31 AM
Author: godawful stage private investor

Why would anyone be honest when you can inflate your hours by 50% without drawing suspicion? 1500 gets you fired, 2250 gets you a bonus. The only people who ever get caught do colossally stupid shit like bill more than 24 hours in a day, bill for work that was never done, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48955722)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 8:43 AM
Author: glittery avocado piazza clown

The thing most non-Jewish juniors don’t understand is that the firm WANTS you to inflate your bill by 50%. Incentives are entirely aligned.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48955798)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 9:06 AM
Author: Appetizing immigrant menage

Real talk: the people who get "caught" are overbilling by 200-500%, not flame. It's like the young woman who spends too long with one foot out the door, or the dude with developing mental illness who's unable to do more than an hour or two of work a couple times a week. And they're ID'd for qualitative reasons, not the billing itself, which is often a straight-up pretext to expedite getting rid of the person.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48955831)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:24 AM
Author: chocolate passionate factory reset button

I once had to bill more than 24 hours in a day, because our faggy billing system automatically populated 8 hours on holidays. I think this was for the benefit of the hourly employees, but it carried over for salaried lawyers too. Anyway, I ended up working an 18 hour day on Thanksgiving, which the system wouldn't accept. Getting that sorted with the billing system retard was a nightmare.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48956150)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 8:41 AM
Author: Ruby Razzle-dazzle Persian Institution

I massively underbill by a few hundred hours a year, often to the benefit of nobody (lots of contingency matters).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48955792)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 8:41 AM
Author: Wonderful Newt

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48955794)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 8:44 AM
Author: Wonderful Newt

At my V5 prestigious elite M&A MFH shop at which I was considered a top associate we had a universal understanding on asshole taxes for work that came in Friday afternoon with a “don’t kill your self on this, Monday AM is fine for a markup”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48955799)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:31 AM
Author: chocolate passionate factory reset button



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48956165)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 9:08 AM
Author: duck-like disturbing school roommate

The first thing my biglaw partner told me on day 1 is that you never log anything less than a 0.4 even if you spend 30 seconds on it because whatever you’re doing is taking you away from something else you could be doing and billing for

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48955837)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 9:15 AM
Author: Appetizing immigrant menage

I'm not even joking when I say that it's rare and heartwarming to hear about a partner looking out for a young person like that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48955848)



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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:35 AM
Author: Lake Home Codepig

Wasn't this the premise for Jim Carrey's Liar Liar?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5728819&forum_id=2:#48956178)