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Who's better off? Biglaw equity partner or shitlaw king, same income
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Date: May 12th, 2025 10:32 PM Author: When I grow up I want to be a pumo Assume both make $2 million a year, live in the same city. One has a moderate-sized book of corporate clients, one has a PI mill. Which one is better off in the great scheme of things? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48925743) |
Date: May 12th, 2025 10:33 PM Author: Long Red Poon Tie Covering Your Wang Kang (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48925747) |
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Date: May 12th, 2025 10:38 PM Author: """'"'"""'' OP is a CSLG alt right? he's trying to justify his trash existence, correct? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48925761) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 3:31 AM Author: When I grow up I want to be a pumo Just a curious observer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48926123) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 5:37 AM Author: ;::;:;;::;;;;;:::: shitlaw. I am a biglaw litigator and it is pure hell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48926189) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 6:59 AM Author: Drunkard Managing shitlawyers seems worse than managing biglaw associates and clients. But if you have the shitlaw machine in place, a shitlawyer king can do less work I think. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48926249) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 7:02 AM Author: Covid was a Hoax if literally the same income then biglawyer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48926251) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 8:10 AM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., biglaw partner is much more stable, so i vote for that. shitlaw king has to constantly be hustling and advertising, whereas a corporate book is relatively stable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48926321) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 8:15 AM Author: blow off some steam u spend all day looking at child porn and thinking abt ur wife getting fucked by jeets
sorry but you just don't know anything about the law or legal practice you're basically just a retard |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 8:36 AM Author: Pyotr Retardo ((zurich is stained)) Blow off some steam, Bennett
*steam shoots out pipe Arnold just impaled a guy on* |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 8:38 AM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48926351) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 1:25 PM Author: UhOh don't biglaw partners need to constantly go to charity events and art openings and join boards and country clubs and shit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48927199) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 8:14 AM Author: blow off some steam either way youre some fat annoying kike dealing with a bunch of niggers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48926328) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 8:15 AM Author: business dad (gunneratttt) shitlaw. you are still the clients bitch in biglaw, whereas in shitlaw your clients are deferential to you and individually unimportant so you can fire them if they suck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48926329) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 8:23 AM Author: disco fries (his own flesh as well as all space was still a cage) *shitlaw lawyer settles a case and presents client with the closing statement* *shitlaw client tries to renegotiate the fees* |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 8:59 AM Author: Long Red Poon Tie Covering Your Wang *shitlawyer keeps settlement proceeds in escrow and keeps his third or client gets $0* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48926396) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 12:41 PM Author: business dad (gunneratttt) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48927093) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 1:23 PM Author: the walter white of this generation (walt jr.) CR, what the hell is this guy talking about? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48927195) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 1:27 PM Author: 88022 “Escrow? Fuck that!” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48927209) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 3:39 PM Author: ...,....,,........ MOTHERFUCKING THIS! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48927547) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 8:27 AM Author: When I grow up I want to be a pumo I'm inclined to agree. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48926344) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 8:15 AM Author: cowgod (retired) (🧐) I'd rather chew my own balls than be a "lawyer" unless it's a chill cool suave PD like luis (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48926330) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 8:24 AM Author: Ass Sunstein Shitlaw king, it's right there in the name (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48926339) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 8:28 AM Author: richard clock shitlaw. biglaw partner still needs to produce, if he slacks, he will eventually get kicked out. shitlaw king only answers to himself and his family and can grind as much or as little as he wants (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48926345) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 8:37 AM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., Shitlaw king still needs to produce to keep paying his employees and keep his wife from leaving him
Also it’s Easier to slack when you have an institutional book and t14 associates and service partners |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 8:42 AM Author: Pyotr Retardo ((zurich is stained)) Agree with this, assuming any of the clients are institutional. At the end of the day, both of these roles have a lot of good and a lot of bad to them. The key is to have an exit planned so you can go enjoy life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48926361) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 8:45 AM Author: disco fries (his own flesh as well as all space was still a cage) Shitlaw king definitely has it harder when it comes to his exit. Tons of lawyers don't plan the transition well and expect that someone will just buy their firm outright at some ridiculous valuation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48926366) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 8:46 AM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., It’s long been xo flame that a shitlaw firm has inherent value. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48926368) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 8:42 AM Author: richard clock shitlaw boss pays his employees like 80k and probably doesnt like his wife (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48926362) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 8:45 AM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., Based on CSLG’s light staff before he got really successful, even A shitlaw king netting 2m with a light staff probably has one associate and several paralegals / intake people and has a payroll of several hundred. Shitlawyers can clarify. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48926367) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 9:26 AM Author: ceci n'est pas un avocat shitlaw kings are a lot less "chill" than xoers seem to believe ime (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48926451) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 12:27 PM Author: ....:::..:....:::..:...;;;..;...:.:: Shitlaw king here but I've spent some time around biglolyers both personally and professionally.
I think what xoxo misses often is that the skillset and personality types are just wildly different. Shitlaw kings aren't risk averse. I'm one of the least risk averse ppl i know and having my neck on the line (in a way) on any given case stimulates me.
Most of my buddies in biglaw believe contingency is insanely risky and would stress non stop about getting paid, not fucking up some retarded motion or discovery, etc. For those ppl, shitlawing would be incredibly stressful, scary, unpredictable.
For me, biglaw would be literal hell. I have very little patience for "the majesty of the law", or the "scholarship". I like the hustle and I much prefer talking to my prole clients as opposed to corpo clients.
My machine is fairly well established and while I'm nowhere close to CSLG I'm making close to or above 1 mil a year relatively consistently with not a ton of work... (I am home by 6 every day and i very very rarely do any work from home).
EDIT: Adding I also basically take off 2-3 months every year where i just login here and there to answer questions, occasionally fly home to cut checks and check in, but otherwise everyone here just keeps the machine running. My staff has all been with me for years and know what they're supposed to do. |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 12:31 PM Author: Long Red Poon Tie Covering Your Wang 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48927046) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 12:31 PM Author: The Buzz Aldrin Spacelaw Fellowship How long did it take you to build to that point ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48927048) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 12:48 PM Author: ....:::..:....:::..:...;;;..;...:.:: I'm 6 years in... Years 2-5 were insanely stressful and this is when a significant portion of shitlaw contingency firms fail because you have to scale to keep up with demand but your are 1-4 years away from making much money off that demand.
That means you're floating your overhead and staff costs for a while.
We never had to taken out a loan and I didn't really have any money going into it so it was just white knuckling over that 3 year period and barely making payroll month over month but we survived and the last 2-3 years have been doing really well, we have a solid team including an attorney, several paralegals, and then probably 7/8 support staff in various depts. who are in office and another 7 or so who are overseas (phillipines, latin america, etc.) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 12:50 PM Author: michael doodikoff question - I've been presented with one of those overseas assistants from a buddy who owns one of those companies, he offered it to me at cost (like $800/mo for 40 hours a week assistant in Brazil).
How are those working for you? What type of shit do you have them doing? |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 12:58 PM Author: ....:::..:....:::..:...;;;..;...:.:: We use latin americans and filipinos exclusively. We dabbled with indians and they were universally shitty.
The agencies hiring these people are complete trash and we had horrible experiences with them.
Now we hire all remote ppl directly. I interview them myself over zoom and largely am just trying to figure out if they're intelligent, have a personality (i think ppl with personalities tend to be relatively smart), and are motivated.
We've had really good results with some, others have been hit or miss. We have software that tracks exactly what they're doing so we can see who's working and who's not. This is somewhat crucial.
The key is if someone is shitty, just get rid of them quickly and hire someone new. These ppl are all independent contractors with no ability to sue you in the us so you can fire at will with no advance notice and you'll have 30 applicants lined up tmw ready to interview. |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 1:06 PM Author: Diane Rehm talking dirty (🐿️ ) AI is going to gut this whole thing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48927151) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 12:35 PM Author: business dad (gunneratttt) cr
i'm a smooth talking, risk taking prole with a sales background. biglaw was not for me. i bought that lie that high stakes bet-the-company lit would be suitable to my personality type but it turns out it's just a bunch of neurotic faggots hyperventilating over commas in routine discovery motions. i can't stand most biglawyers whereas almost all shitlawyers are chill.
but it's really a difference of personality and outlook. nebbish prestige-obsessed autists (i.e. most of xo) are suitable for biglaw and probably would not enjoy hanging out with fratty shitlawmos. |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 12:50 PM Author: ....:::..:....:::..:...;;;..;...:.:: This is pretty accurate and reflects my experience. The shit biglolyers literally lose their minds over i wouldn't give a second thought to.
A typo on a brief?? ljl who gives a shit.
And yes so much more of shitlaw is chill networking, grabbing dinner with other lawyers and getting hammered, hanging with docs, even defense lawyers sometimes, etc. |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 1:33 PM Author: physical computer this is the key. assuming that in the hypo you’re temperamentally suited for the role you choose, it’s not even a close question. ham-and-eggers absolutely eat up the self-promoting hustling bullshit that would turn off most xo poas. it’s a feature, not a bug. now compare that with the typical job/life satisfaction of the modal glory boy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48927223) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 3:42 PM Author: ...,....,,........ 180^180
I make great money, reasonably low stress, and I'm home by 6 every night. |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 12:40 PM Author: michael doodikoff seems like the shitlaw king would be his own boss, wouldn't have to put up with bullshit from other biglaw "partners," etc. I doubt a shitlaw king stresses too much about "contingency" fee risks - it probably averages out pretty well (with some big pops here and there) with a legit PI mill with lots of cases.
Also in Atlanta, there are literal shitlaw king groupies out there. Not flame, i've seen it happen. Example - Watched old as fuck Alexander Shunnarah (Alabama shitlaw king doing business in Atlanta) take a PI medical office "marketing girl" home from a night club and everyone gossiped about it after. Seen a bunch of younger shitlaw dorks absolutely clean it up with buxon "marketing girl" babes because they have a little success in PI. |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 12:53 PM Author: ....:::..:....:::..:...;;;..;...:.:: I think the one thing is ppl understimate how difficult it is to be the next Alexander Shunnarah or "Barnes Firm" or "Sweet James".
These guys are marketing geniuses and have a deep bench of knowledge on seo, ppc, billboard, tv and radio. They also have massive war chests to fund the advertising machine, the staff, overhead etc. We're talking monthly ad spends well over 1-2 mil a month for the big dogs.
Also these guys have huge teams of staff managing everything that they've built and continuously scaled over years and years. |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 1:09 PM Author: michael doodikoff I watched Alexander Shunnarah speak at an event once. He was talking about the "humble beginnings" of his firm and how he started out, and how far he has come. He literally said "I'm just like you guys. When I first started my firm, I only made $20,000 in the first month. $20,000!" to a room of shitlawyers and PI-hangerson (scummy chiros, marketing girls, runners, etc) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48927156) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 1:20 PM Author: Drunkard Rotflol. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48927185) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 1:36 PM Author: 88022 Lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48927236) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 2:56 PM Author: ceci n'est pas un avocat wtf how old is he? pics on the billboard from 20 years ago? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48927416) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 3:02 PM Author: michael doodikoff old.
Here is the billboard that has been up for 20+ years, like a 40ish husky fratty dude https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRBzuZ0gKOUWIbXxRmCCaKofN74_iMViqK4xQ&s
Current IRL: https://www.instagram.com/p/C8dmY-Jsv8k/?hl=en&img_index=1 https://www.instagram.com/p/C5Pi85WtN8o/?hl=en
He's also like 5'5" |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 3:03 PM Author: Ass Sunstein Alexander Shunnarah Entrepreneur • Attorney • Motivator @AlexanderShunnarahLaw: Founder + President “Some believe the sky’s the limit. I believe the limit doesn’t exist.” |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 3:31 PM Author: ceci n'est pas un avocat holy shit I really thought he was between 45-50
is that his gf? I assumed daughter but lmao |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 4:00 PM Author: ....:::..:....:::..:...;;;..;...:.:: gf, he has posts with his daughters too who aren't as hot. lol. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48927597) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 3:43 PM Author: ...,....,,........ Alexander Motherfuckin' Shunnarah!
I've been to events that he's hosted and he's actually pretty squared away, if not drunk as shit. |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 12:43 PM Author: tarrifs Shitlaw and it's not even close. You need to give the biglaw partner $4mm year to make the hypo at all interesting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48927100) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 1:35 PM Author: the walter white of this generation (walt jr.) CR. It needed to give *something* to the biglawyer -- 1.5x comp, hot mormon wife, 5 years younger, city of your choice vs. city of your choice not in your top 10 -- to give him a chance.
The ppl choosing biglawyer ITT are just choosing wrong, because they don't understand. Like a "hypo" asking if you'd rather have a bmw 5 series or an aston martin vanquish. |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 3:03 PM Author: Drunkard I will take the 5er (any e34 or e39) and not have to deal with the Aston. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48927430) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 3:12 PM Author: the walter white of this generation (walt jr.) You could sell your aston and buy a whole FLEET of shitty mid-range foreign sedans that cost 2 grand minimum to repair when they continually break down every 6-8 months. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48927461) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 4:35 PM Author: Drunkard Yes. Although e34 and e39 are very reliable. An e39 M5 is about the best sports sedan ever made. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48927692) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 1:27 PM Author: Judas Jones Shitlaw king if you’re a jock or scumbag. Biglaw if prep or loser. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48927207) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 1:36 PM Author: 88022 What if you have nougat? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48927234) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 2:39 PM Author: The Emilio Estevez of the SEC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48927394) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 2:48 PM Author: cowgod (retired) (🧐) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48927407) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 2:48 PM Author: The Emilio Estevez of the SEC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48927408) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 4:34 PM Author: scholarship (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48927688) |
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Date: May 13th, 2025 3:35 PM Author: Jason Genova Being around buglaw faggots would be hell. This isn’t even close (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724290&forum_id=2:#48927536) |