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Back from Cannes w/ $20m film
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Date: May 28th, 2025 6:15 AM Author: territorial travel guidebook Pretty much bet my career a few weeks ago. One film is off the ground. Went to Cannes to create something out of nothing.
2nd night a producer asked for my help after family emergency cancelled their trip.
2 days later I had a handshake deal to finance a $20m Oscar contender subject to signatures on remaining talent deals.
Looks like it was worth it. Post Cannes, I'm playing a few other companies off each other and stirring up a mini-bidding war. |
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Date: June 16th, 2025 7:57 AM Author: territorial travel guidebook Off to the races. Another $10m++ in play from another company, and I'm discussing with another studio to acquire the entire film outright...offer from last month is still safety net, so we've got ourselves the beginning of a bidding war. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#49019654) |
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Date: June 17th, 2025 9:56 AM Author: territorial travel guidebook An affiliated producer is now bringing me into a revolving fund. Away we go. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#49023628) |
Date: May 28th, 2025 6:22 AM Author: Arousing Filthy French Chef What’s your favorite Terrence Malick movie? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48966847) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 6:37 AM Author: territorial travel guidebook Tree of Life?
thin red line was good but so fucking long. |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 6:43 AM Author: Arousing Filthy French Chef You seem stuck in your aesthetic phase. How is your faith? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48966865) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 7:16 AM Author: territorial travel guidebook After Cannes, my faith in everything is a helluva lot stronger. I've very grateful.
Aesthetics will hopefully underly everything I do. I'm helping make entertaining films, but I am focusing on projects that are hopefully visually moving or at least try to push film back into being some semblance of an art form too. I've diverted 2 films away from Netflix in the past few weeks convincing the producers not to take their cash and to give their hard work a chance at a run in cinemas. |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 8:15 AM Author: Thriller Rose Theatre That guy definitely molests kids (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48966932) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 6:53 AM Author: Arrogant effete base queen of the night What's the latest on funding for the Getty film? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48966873) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 7:21 AM Author: territorial travel guidebook Finalised a $300k portion. But I had to kick international sales off to another agent for Cannes as they were putting up extra $$$$$$ - luckily a dinner confirmed sales are strong enough to cover the gap in the budget. Final contracts to be finalized eow. Weak dollar fucked the producers but finally getting sorted. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48966889) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 7:22 AM Author: Citrine friendly grandma volcanic crater Do you need a Curator? E-mail me privately (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48966890) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 7:23 AM Author: territorial travel guidebook I have some really great films lined up with various folks. Would be curious to hear your thoughts tbh. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48966892) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 9:37 AM Author: Citrine friendly grandma volcanic crater E-mail me privately (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48967091) |
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Date: May 30th, 2025 10:26 AM Author: territorial travel guidebook will do this weekend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48973365) |
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Date: July 16th, 2025 10:12 PM Author: territorial travel guidebook I’m in Vegas and have an emergency deal. Literally once in a lifetime. 140% return.
Call me.
Call me, so I don’t have to do a deal with a fucking production company and can do it with an individual instead. I’ve got five production partnersready to close with this company but I don’t wanna do it with them.
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Date: May 28th, 2025 7:25 AM Author: territorial travel guidebook fucking wonderful email to get - now meeting with a major film financier tomorrow to discuss slate financing. Thank fucking god. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48966894) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 7:53 AM Author: useless sneaky criminal Weren’t you asking XO to crowdfund like $100k? Where are you gonna crowdfund $20m? Get 20m redditors to all chip in $1? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48966909) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 9:36 AM Author: territorial travel guidebook Needed the final 300k out of $8m after an equity investor dropped out towards the end of last year.
$20m is institutional cash. |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 4:51 PM Author: dead lavender gas station stain Just so you know -- you're almost certainly facilitating money laundering. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48968624) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:32 AM Author: territorial travel guidebook when I joined the production I actually helped get rid of the Italian production services company that was almost certainly going to. The rest of the financiers and producers are on the up and up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48969815) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 7:56 AM Author: Vengeful area reading party Yeah I’m sure it’s an “Oscar contender” lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48966911) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 9:39 AM Author: Arousing Filthy French Chef Any film released in theaters for a week is an Oscar contender (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48967097) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 4:44 PM Author: territorial travel guidebook Killer directorial debut of a major A-list star with an even better ensemble. I actually stumbled onto an Oscar contender. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48968606) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:24 AM Author: Dun degenerate Does it contain enough trans nigger chomo heroes to qualify for Academy consideration? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48969995) |
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Date: June 1st, 2025 1:30 AM Author: drab crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48978110) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2025 11:08 AM Author: territorial travel guidebook features a hero of civil rights. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48980544) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2025 11:12 AM Author: brilliant stirring field Sounds like total garbage.
Sorry for your bad luck to get into the movie biz and just start to get this sort of career traction when the medium of “film” is at an all-time, (probably-permanent) low in quality. I’m sure you’d have been involved in great movies in the 70s and 80s. |
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Date: June 2nd, 2025 12:31 PM Author: territorial travel guidebook This one will be good, unless production fucks it up.
ty- I love film so I'm going to keep going - but the industry is a gnarled mess at the moment. Lots to be hopeful for, though, and feels like there could be a comeback for film in the next few years if things keep going the way they are. Studios are fucked for a few years. |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 8:12 AM Author: abnormal balding prole 180 good for you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48966929) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 4:42 PM Author: territorial travel guidebook ty ty, appreciate it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48968598) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 8:15 AM Author: mildly autistic trust fund i expect you to invite us all to the oscar party (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48966933) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 4:42 PM Author: territorial travel guidebook investors get invites. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48968601) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 4:56 PM Author: mildly autistic trust fund ive invested time in reading this thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48968639) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 5:04 PM Author: Thriller Rose Theatre slam dunk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48968662) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:33 AM Author: territorial travel guidebook no yacht party for you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48969816) |
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Date: May 30th, 2025 4:30 AM Author: territorial travel guidebook negative ROI. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48972786) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 8:27 AM Author: gay razzle lodge coldplay fan Nice work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48966955) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:47 AM Author: territorial travel guidebook TY - you should join next year - https://imgur.com/a/IXf8qXh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48969823) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 3:32 PM Author: gay razzle lodge coldplay fan I’d be down (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48971505) |
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Date: May 30th, 2025 10:25 AM Author: territorial travel guidebook Do it. Actually, I should email you anyway. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48973360) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 8:44 AM Author: Drunken Know-it-all Masturbator Does your movie explore Blacks or transgender? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48966973) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:34 AM Author: territorial travel guidebook One explores and important piece of black history.
Another producer is pitching me a trans story which probably would be a good film but would be extremely difficult to sell so prob won't take it on. |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:43 AM Author: Drunken Know-it-all Masturbator flame, there is no important Black history. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48969952) |
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Date: June 1st, 2025 2:50 AM Author: puce laughsome dragon piazza already been done
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0274518/ |
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Date: June 1st, 2025 2:53 AM Author: Thriller Rose Theatre (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48978147) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 9:37 AM Author: Yapping Anal Box Office what happened to the Al Pacino Vehicle (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48967092) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 9:38 AM Author: abnormal balding prole I think that's now getting made, isn't it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48967096) |
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Date: May 28th, 2025 4:42 PM Author: territorial travel guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48968594) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 2:46 AM Author: motley chest-beating toilet seat Are you talking about the Imogen Poots movie? That doesn't look marketable
Urchin and Exit 8 have commercial potential |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:13 AM Author: Arousing Filthy French Chef This doesn’t look like box office gold to you: https://images.app.goo.gl/VNNjdCb6DGtK6wTE9 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48969806) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM Author: motley chest-beating toilet seat Imagine listing that actor, director and screenplay on a piece of paper and claiming it's a strong investment at $20m
Either op needs to run his decisions by XO or stop being so obvious about blatant money laundering schemes |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:46 AM Author: territorial travel guidebook not my film, friend. Mine includes some of the cast from Pulp Fiction... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48969822) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:00 AM Author: motley chest-beating toilet seat You should do something with Ben Foster
That guy is low key the Marlon Brando of our generation |
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Date: June 2nd, 2025 5:28 AM Author: territorial travel guidebook 95% certain one of my other producer partners has a film with him...I'll check on Wednesday. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48980100) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:46 AM Author: territorial travel guidebook Naw, that's arthouse prestige piece. Not my film. I was at a meeting overlooking that red carpet though - https://imgur.com/a/IXf8qXh
Mine is in pre-production. Working with talent agency to finish locking the rest of the above-the-line down to satisfy conditions for funding. Have another meeting in an hour with another finance co. who's interested in a mix of debt and equity, and a third option next week. Have another offer in hand for half the budget but then I'd have to fill the rest with equity and apparently people here don't have as many millions as they say they do.
All 3 of the films you mentioned had a killer market though. Sales were stronger this year than in the past 5. Mood was elevated and folks eager to make deals.
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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:48 AM Author: Arousing Filthy French Chef Ghastly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48969955) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:55 AM Author: federal cerebral marketing idea Entourage, c.2007
Nice cribbing of the plotline |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:03 AM Author: territorial travel guidebook I've said this before .... my life has turned into the worst Entourage episode I could have dreamed of. But it's actually working out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48969970) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 9:13 AM Author: Marvelous swollen center ladyboy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48970145) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:49 AM Author: Lake Hunting Ground who ended up financing the 300k ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48970031) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:15 PM Author: territorial travel guidebook family office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48971633) |
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Date: May 30th, 2025 11:46 AM Author: underhanded range is Sentimental Value good as hyped? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48973594) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2025 3:18 PM Author: territorial travel guidebook supposedly it is as good as hyped. Haven't had the time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48981315) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2025 3:45 PM Author: underhanded range did u gush over any starlets like Renate or Elle? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL6JJrjr97o |
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Date: June 3rd, 2025 5:06 AM Author: territorial travel guidebook Actually did cross paths with Elle Fanning - and in person she's a showstopper.
Saw Brad Pitt get denied entry through a backdoor because the guard didn't recognise him...fucking hilarious. He took a step back and smiled at him, then the guard was like oh fuck! and demanded a picture....and still didn't let him through the back door. Made Brad go to the front where the paps were waiting for him. Brad saw me smoking a spliff and laughing at him, air-gestured if he wanted a drag - - he hesitated and I think almost was going to....sad he didn't join me for a smoke :( |
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Date: June 3rd, 2025 5:08 AM Author: territorial travel guidebook Also didn't know who she was whatsoever, but turns out Cara Delevingne in person is another one who makes everyone stop in their tracks. Crazy to see when someone has an actual presence that makes other folks just stop. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48982660) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2025 7:39 AM Author: underhanded range say Cara is alone at a party and you are standing next to her waiting for champagne being served-- what's your line? "hi, Cara, I'm a big fan and I loved your role in (obscure early film of hers). . . . -- would you mind reading my script? I think you would find l(the female lead character) interesting" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48982767) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2025 11:00 AM Author: territorial travel guidebook honestly I'd probably say "You wound up needing a second drink too, huh? Grab the champagne bottle, I spotted a door to patio outside and am definitely going to smoke this spliff if I'm going to last another hour here. You're welcome to join" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48983209) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2025 11:44 AM Author: underhanded range noice (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48983325) |
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Date: May 30th, 2025 2:49 PM Author: Dashing French Parlor Is there an opportunity to get involved in financing for bridging pre-production and early production costs until committed investor funds are disbursed? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48974099) |
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Date: May 30th, 2025 5:48 PM Author: territorial travel guidebook Very very much so. It's a form of backstop deal. Can do small $50k up to a full backstop for a territory up to like $1.5m+
It's sheltered a bit so risk is lower compared to other film/tv deals. Can chat if you email me. |
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Date: June 1st, 2025 1:56 AM Author: Jet provocative heaven patrolman wait, you're telling me retards basically loan money to a film production assuming new retards will pay them some sort of interest to get in later on? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48978122) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2025 5:28 AM Author: territorial travel guidebook this is the case. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48980101) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2025 3:28 PM Author: motley chest-beating toilet seat Isn't that literally how crypto works (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48981337) |
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Date: May 30th, 2025 6:00 PM Author: Infuriating Set why is film financing even a thing? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48974767) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2025 5:38 AM Author: territorial travel guidebook filmmakers are usually poor for a long while but have the ability to make other people a lot of money in a perceivably glamorous way. And when you finally hit it, it pours. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48980104) |
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Date: June 1st, 2025 1:25 AM Author: motley chest-beating toilet seat What do you think about the Ridley Scott / Mark Walhberg movie about the Getty kidnap? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48978107) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2025 5:36 AM Author: territorial travel guidebook Wasn't true to story (ofc) and went against the wishes of the Getty estate. Hollywood wasted a shit ton of money on that.
Ours is good with both the family and the Getty estate telling the story through one of the mobsters, who happens to be the other producer's long passed great uncle. : | |
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Date: June 2nd, 2025 3:26 PM Author: motley chest-beating toilet seat It made the whole Getty family look really bad so that's not surprising
Mark Wahlberg and Plummer were both 180 and perfect for their roles
Do you have anyone good playing the secret agent guy in yours? |
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Date: June 2nd, 2025 7:21 AM Author: Mind-boggling mewling menage cuck Have you ever read/do you have thoughts on film theory? Thinking stuff like Truffaut, Kracauer, Plantinga, Mulvey, Bazin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48980187) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2025 7:35 AM Author: territorial travel guidebook Haven't studied in earnest since undergrad, and only took a few electives, so only a vague background enough for me to fake a one-liner if there are real artists talking. I haven't had time until now to that sort of thing tbh.
That said, realism isn't the most important aspect of film. Film should be about emotional experiences, agree. Women's portrayal in film broadly reinforces patriarchal stereotypes but most attempts to counter that fail miserably from a commercial perspective b/c the filmmakers want to bash the audience in the face with the topic at hand.
I aim to make films that entertain and make you feel something one way or the other, shot like films used to or should be, hopefully have some sort of artistic contribution, and are still commercial enough that they get seen. No use in making art if no one experiences it. |
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Date: June 2nd, 2025 11:16 AM Author: Jade half-breed You sound bald (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48980574) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2025 1:02 PM Author: Thriller Rose Theatre (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48980959) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2025 3:19 PM Author: territorial travel guidebook Luscious long locks. Keep it around shoulder-length now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48981320) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2025 12:04 PM Author: Mind-boggling mewling menage cuck I agree with your sentiments, especially that the point of film should be subjectivity over realism (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48980741) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2025 12:00 PM Author: abnormal balding prole I can’t believe nobody has asked this: DESCRIBE the hot young women lurking around the Cannes film festival, in detail. |
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Date: June 2nd, 2025 1:04 PM Author: dark chapel yes, please DESCRIBE
also RATE their casting couch performances |
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Date: June 2nd, 2025 1:42 PM Author: Jade half-breed Women are scared off by all the leering north africans milling around not flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48981069) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2025 5:09 AM Author: territorial travel guidebook Flame, that's in Marseilles not Cannes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48982662) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2025 3:20 PM Author: territorial travel guidebook later later (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48981322) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2025 5:16 AM Author: territorial travel guidebook First story...
3am, traffic is lined up around old town. 95% of people are hammered. French locals come in to cruise the strip and spot a celebrity or some shit. BMW with 4 young French dudes going 2 mph in traffic rolls by....and a voluptuous, erm music video dancer type from I believe Atlanta, walks up to the car and just starts fucking grinding and twerking on the fucking car. She's hardly cognisant, frenchies are encouraging her and whooping. In a Southern accent she slurs out "where youus going babesssss"
3 seconds later a gigantic bro in a very shiny suit comes barrelling down the street grabs her by the arm and yanks her away mid-twerk, a beast being pulled like a rag doll by an even larger beast - screams at her what the fuck is she doing -- -- answer? -- -- DAAAANCING BBAAAABBBYYYY, THEY MY FRIIIIeNDS. She was called a stupid bitch and pulled like a child up the street back to their hotel room.
The other French just stood there shocked. She's lucky she didn't get TAKEN-ified.
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Date: June 3rd, 2025 10:55 AM Author: Arrogant effete base queen of the night Was the bro who pulled her away of African origin? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48983199) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2025 11:00 AM Author: territorial travel guidebook can neither confirm nor deny. You in the Hollywood of the south? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48983212) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2025 10:57 AM Author: Arrogant effete base queen of the night Will Kevin Spacey ever be back on the scene pressuring young dudes for sex to advance their careers, or have #metoo libs ruined that for him? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48983202) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2025 11:01 AM Author: territorial travel guidebook he may have recently had a shot...and the industry said - no thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5730573&forum_id=2:#48983216) |