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Discuss women named "Grace" that you've known
| White Adventurous Crackhouse | 05/23/25 |
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| Cream locus tattoo | 05/24/25 |
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| domesticated lascivious resort | 05/23/25 |
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| Adulterous painfully honest house elastic band | 05/23/25 |
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| Chartreuse pit coldplay fan | 05/24/25 |
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| Cream locus tattoo | 05/24/25 |
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| fishy toilet seat center | 05/27/25 |
| Adulterous painfully honest house elastic band | 05/27/25 |
| yellow exhilarant hominid casino | 05/23/25 |
| big-titted seedy chad library | 05/23/25 |
| Chartreuse pit coldplay fan | 05/24/25 |
| rebellious idiotic plaza deer antler | 05/23/25 |
| Adulterous painfully honest house elastic band | 05/23/25 |
| massive stage | 05/23/25 |
| Chartreuse pit coldplay fan | 05/23/25 |
| massive stage | 05/23/25 |
| marvelous abnormal den psychic | 05/23/25 |
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| electric water buffalo market | 05/24/25 |
| Gay school cafeteria | 05/24/25 |
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| massive stage | 05/23/25 |
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| Adulterous painfully honest house elastic band | 05/23/25 |
| massive stage | 05/23/25 |
| fishy toilet seat center | 05/27/25 |
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| Gay school cafeteria | 05/27/25 |
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| fishy toilet seat center | 05/27/25 |
| Gay school cafeteria | 05/27/25 |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:20 AM Author: White Adventurous Crackhouse Provide all relevant or useful details as I deliberate on this matter Lot of asian women and also some smaller number of frigid white women, usually older, named "Grace". "Gracie" as a subtype fell out of style along with the "Cathys" afaik---I don't really see either outside of maybe diner waitress name tags or something off in the outer bands |
Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:22 AM Author: offensive philosopher-king point I have known 2. They have both been FOB Chinese. Very into money and materialistic. Both ultimately married FOB Chinese guys. One regretted not being able to snag a white guy, which was also the reason she decided to not have kids. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956145) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:26 AM Author: White Adventurous Crackhouse Very very fobby name. I don't know if the world saw "Grace"s differently before it became associated with status-seeking Asians creating a plastic and ersatz American identity for themselves Never saw "Will and Grace" but I assume this informed average Americans' perceptions on what a Grace might present themselves as It's a name you think you'd see in a Faulkner novel but afaik there are very few incidences of Grace in Faulkner |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:23 AM Author: Charismatic sticky pistol first chick that ever tongued my ass was named grace (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956146) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:35 AM Author: Chartreuse pit coldplay fan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956176) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:49 AM Author: Misanthropic Old Irish Cottage What was his name? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956223) |
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Date: May 24th, 2025 12:30 PM Author: sapphire vivacious ceo cq (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48958567) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:27 AM Author: lavender french twinkling uncleanness My son’s grade school crush was named Grace. They then went to different middle schools but they still keep in touch : ) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956160) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:34 AM Author: White Adventurous Crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956171) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:29 AM Author: thriller tripping tank step-uncle's house Never known one but it’s a pretty name (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956163) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:45 AM Author: White Adventurous Crackhouse In theory yeah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956207) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:30 AM Author: domesticated lascivious resort I was dating a girl and she had an azngirl friend named Grace. I forget where she was from, but she considered sex and dating unrelated concepts. She had men in her life for sex and only sex, but on "dates" would only go out for tea. She seemed genuinely confused why the sex men kept coming back for more but she rarely got guys to come have tea with her for a second time. Perhaps this is a cultural practice in whateverthefuck country she was from. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956164) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:34 AM Author: White Adventurous Crackhouse Asian women have some very strange dating practices afaik Especially the Chinese, who seem more liberated by the grand explosion of wealth/cultural loosening from the Confucian ancien regime being given over to creative destruction in their nation than many other subsets of asian women although perhaps a bit confused about what to do with that freer state |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 4:18 PM Author: massive stage Knew a KAP and VAP like this in high school and college respectively. (I’m gay now for whatever it’s worth) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956820) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 4:33 PM Author: Cobalt Mildly Autistic Trust Fund Imagine being teazoned by some woman who was getting piped on the reg by NOTEA Chads. I think I'd kill myself (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956859) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 4:35 PM Author: massive stage NOTEA chads tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956862) |
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Date: May 24th, 2025 12:34 AM Author: Cream locus tattoo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48957940) |
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Date: May 24th, 2025 2:51 PM Author: massive stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48958922) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 5:13 PM Author: domesticated lascivious resort NOTEA Chads is entering my lexicon tyft (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956937) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 5:23 PM Author: massive stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956974) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:44 AM Author: Adulterous painfully honest house elastic band (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956203) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:45 AM Author: White Adventurous Crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956206) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 4:01 PM Author: massive stage The modern world is 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956768) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 4:05 PM Author: Adulterous painfully honest house elastic band (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956779) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 4:13 PM Author: massive stage Your thoughts on “Planet Earth” circa AD 2025? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956802) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 4:55 PM Author: Adulterous painfully honest house elastic band (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956901) |
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Date: May 24th, 2025 2:52 PM Author: massive stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48958930) |
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Date: May 24th, 2025 2:12 AM Author: Chartreuse pit coldplay fan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48957981) |
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Date: May 24th, 2025 2:51 PM Author: massive stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48958925) |
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Date: May 24th, 2025 12:35 AM Author: Cream locus tattoo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48957942) |
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Date: May 24th, 2025 2:52 PM Author: massive stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48958927) |
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Date: May 27th, 2025 5:23 PM Author: fishy toilet seat center You some kind of fag? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48965747) |
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Date: May 27th, 2025 5:28 PM Author: Adulterous painfully honest house elastic band ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48965762) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:45 AM Author: yellow exhilarant hominid casino an asian grace how sweet the sound that saved a twink like me |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 7:41 PM Author: big-titted seedy chad library (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48957353) |
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Date: May 24th, 2025 2:52 PM Author: Chartreuse pit coldplay fan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48958926) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 1:15 PM Author: rebellious idiotic plaza deer antler Hapa Korean girl in hs with huge tits and jeans that were out of style (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956412) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 2:14 PM Author: Adulterous painfully honest house elastic band Mods (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956568) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 4:14 PM Author: massive stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956808) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 2:17 PM Author: Chartreuse pit coldplay fan Senator, ungh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956571) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 4:01 PM Author: massive stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956767) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 4:06 PM Author: marvelous abnormal den psychic looks like she was hit in the face with a wok (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956780) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 4:14 PM Author: internet-worthy place of business (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956807) |
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Date: May 24th, 2025 8:12 AM Author: electric water buffalo market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48958113) |
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Date: May 24th, 2025 8:12 AM Author: Gay school cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48958114) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 4:08 PM Author: talking buff cuckold Thin 7/10 (law school 7/10) C-Cup tit cock hungry asian in law school who fucked the first tall white handsome she met within 72 hours of starting 1L. He used her and abused her for a couple months, we got to see the pics, then he moved on. She was quiet and mousy in class but would become nuts when we would go out--a couple shots and she'd go full on bipolar. You had about a 1 in 4 chance of sleeping with her just by hanging around with her through the end of the night. Went to a V25 for a few years and then ended up marrying a white dork senior associate. The end. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956784) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 4:13 PM Author: massive stage What’s the senior associate’s Autoadmit username? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956805) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 7:42 PM Author: big-titted seedy chad library (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48957355) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 7:43 PM Author: massive stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48957358) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 9:43 PM Author: talking buff cuckold mods (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48957671) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 11:22 PM Author: massive stage 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48957844) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 4:23 PM Author: nofapping patrolman I dated an Asian (Taiwanese American) woman named Grace in NYC. She was 28, 5’7”, lived in Chelsea, worked in marketing, and had an impressive academic background, with high school at an expensive prep school, an undergraduate degree from HYP and an MBA from a top 3 b school. She could be superficial at times, often commenting on others’ appearances and comparing us to other couples. She also seemed insecure about other women who were close to me and got mad at me for not being more friendly when I socialized with her friends. One quirk was her tendency to use baby talk during sex, which I found off-putting. The relationship lasted about two or three months. A few years later, during the pandemic, she reached out, but I didn’t respond.
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 4:26 PM Author: massive stage Now THAT’s what I call a compelling slice of life anecdote beautifully written and self-deprecatingly delivered, leaving the reader wanting more about your life as a whole, a gorgeous “truth is stranger than fiction” novel of cosmic significance… tp. (I really like it here btw) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956849) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 4:28 PM Author: nofapping patrolman 🥰 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956852) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 4:34 PM Author: massive stage https://i.pinimg.com/736x/33/4c/9a/334c9a98e129ab30e7c13f88f1cd600e.jpg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956861) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 4:57 PM Author: Adulterous painfully honest house elastic band (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956906) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 4:59 PM Author: massive stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48956912) |
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Date: May 27th, 2025 5:24 PM Author: fishy toilet seat center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48965750) |
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Date: May 27th, 2025 5:25 PM Author: massive stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48965753) |
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Date: May 24th, 2025 8:35 AM Author: dashing flushed new version What kind of baby talk exactly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48958133) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 7:38 PM Author: big-titted seedy chad library Tall skinny white girl who loved BBC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48957346) |
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Date: May 27th, 2025 5:01 PM Author: Gay school cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48965675) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2025 7:42 PM Author: contagious duck-like shrine codepig First one was a short mousy girl in college. Really nice, but secretly a downright whore.
The second one was recent. She was in my fiancee's pharmacy school class. She killed herself a couple weeks ago.
Both white. |
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Date: May 24th, 2025 8:48 AM Author: ruby startling whorehouse How and why did she kill self? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48958144) |
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Date: May 24th, 2025 5:46 PM Author: contagious duck-like shrine codepig she got stressed out by pharmacy school
I guess she od'd or something. Her fiance found her dead the next morning. |
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Date: May 24th, 2025 9:03 AM Author: dashing flushed new version You’ve had a “fiancée” for like 3 years now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48958162) |
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Date: May 24th, 2025 12:22 PM Author: rebellious idiotic plaza deer antler Whoa cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48958543) |
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Date: May 24th, 2025 12:28 PM Author: domesticated lascivious resort Babby has been on the way for about that amount of time too, stork must be lost (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48958559) |
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Date: May 24th, 2025 5:47 PM Author: contagious duck-like shrine codepig Yup. We plan to elope relatively soon once babydood is confirmed, then the ceremony after she graduates
is that okay with xo? |
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Date: May 24th, 2025 12:45 AM Author: drab yarmulke giraffe She ran cross country at my undergrad. She was pretty cute and I remember a short guy was interested in her. She was a devout Catholic and told him she was strongly considering becoming a nun.
Wouldn't you know it, she started dating a Tall guy a couple years later. |
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Date: May 24th, 2025 2:15 AM Author: electric water buffalo market Where is the poaster who fucked GDP model 239, a Grace with huge tits. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48957984) |
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Date: May 24th, 2025 8:52 AM Author: Vibrant hot brunch mad-dog skullcap I knew a Grace one summer in DC. She went to Williams and was hot. We worked together on K Street and had G and Ts and watched a movie one night. I squeezed her thigh during it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48958151) |
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Date: May 24th, 2025 9:04 AM Author: Haunting peach church building Sick kinoescalation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48958164) |
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Date: May 24th, 2025 2:52 PM Author: massive stage tp. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48958934) |
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Date: May 27th, 2025 5:25 PM Author: fishy toilet seat center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48965751) |
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Date: May 27th, 2025 5:38 PM Author: Gay school cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48965800) |
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Date: May 24th, 2025 8:55 AM Author: bistre mad cow disease hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48958155) |
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Date: May 24th, 2025 10:28 AM Author: electric water buffalo market You sure?
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Date: May 24th, 2025 12:29 PM Author: Chartreuse pit coldplay fan Same tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48958565) |
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Date: May 24th, 2025 2:47 PM Author: massive stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48958900) |
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Date: May 27th, 2025 4:47 PM Author: brass temple (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48965638) |
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Date: May 24th, 2025 2:55 PM Author: sexy puce principal's office regret only one, she was very smart, homely, practical and 30 lb overweight with a similiar husband, 3 cats and two children and a golden. we connected on the golden (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48958961) |
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Date: May 24th, 2025 3:40 PM Author: massive stage !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48959109) |
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Date: May 24th, 2025 6:04 PM Author: Heady tanning salon athletic conference In my law school class. Super dorky fobby Chinese girl. Fat and weird and not attractive at all. Like a 3 and very, very clearly a 0 on binary scale. She used to laugh boisterously at inappropriate times. Friends were white losers (not a lot of Asians in my LS class, and this was 20 years ago and I didn’t go to Boalt or CLS/NYU). Despite the hours and hours that our section used to hang out together, I never once saw her out and never said a word to her and I don’t know anyone who did.
Other one was a completely unremarkable white associate who just happened to be named Grace. She seemed fine. Spent years together in the same department and I don’t think I ever heard her speak. |
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Date: May 24th, 2025 6:05 PM Author: Aphrodisiac lodge black woman Big ol tits (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5729134&forum_id=2:#48959353) |
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Date: May 27th, 2025 4:46 PM Author: Primrose disgusting public bath "organ"ist in our choir was named Grace. She had that prune face look a la Renee zelwigger but a lot shorter and uglier. I think she entered a convent.
Another one at same church was obese and similarly unfortunate-looking.
both youngish white women or at least under 40 or so. |