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Question about European feudalism.

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have m...
Dull Startled Nowag Depressive
  06/14/13
just walk outside bro
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(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)
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Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the la...
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Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitar...
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(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded ...
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They were better because you had different tribal clans owni...
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read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of ...
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Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the P...
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what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?
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Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as ba...
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really depended on the country, the region, and the lord re...
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  11/11/25
it was a nanny state.
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  11/24/25


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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM
Author: Dull Startled Nowag Depressive

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#23393887)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:29 AM
Author: citrine laughsome shrine

just walk outside bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#48969812)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM
Author: citrine laughsome shrine

(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#48969813)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:24 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#48985020)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:55 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#48997575)



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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#49064860)



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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#49070377)



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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#49077411)



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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#49084518)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:52 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#49098591)



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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#49101058)



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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#49105012)



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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#49117359)



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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#49128622)



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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#49141968)



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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#49143857)



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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#49156580)



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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#49172980)



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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#49421817)



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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#49421862)



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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#49421881)



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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#49422254)



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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#49424474)



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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#49425035)



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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#49425543)



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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#49427654)



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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#49439167)



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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#49458108)



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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#49461550)



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Date: November 27th, 2025 5:48 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#49467160)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac High-end Messiness Range

Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence?

yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#48969854)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM
Author: Diverse Spruce Filthpig

Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#48969860)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac High-end Messiness Range

(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#48969863)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM
Author: Diverse Spruce Filthpig

They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#48969954)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac High-end Messiness Range

read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#48971066)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: swashbuckling center kitty cat

Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#49065184)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:53 PM
Author: rusted racy potus lay



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#49098592)



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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#49098608)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM
Author: well-lubricated primrose house stock car

what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#48970037)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM
Author: garnet galvanic stag film

cq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#48970041)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM
Author: indigo spot hissy fit

I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#48985033)



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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM
Author: swashbuckling center kitty cat

teen black death survivors were the original Boomers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#49065206)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM
Author: bateful mahogany candlestick maker gas station

i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#48997602)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM
Author: Rough-skinned fragrant private investor hairy legs

Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#49065026)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM
Author: 180 idiotic hospital old irish cottage

really depended on the country, the region, and the lord

removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#49105022)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:49 PM
Author: flatulent partner

It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar systems in place for thousands of years and they were stable societies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#49421865)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 10:06 PM
Author: barnabyjones

it was a nanny state.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2:#49458174)