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St Louis sucks. Like really fucking bad.

god fuck this place somewhere uncomfortable
Ivory shrine toaster
  08/06/14
explain
Mildly Autistic Partner Gay Wizard
  08/06/14
picture the sahara with tall buildings and an mlb team. i...
Ivory shrine toaster
  08/06/14
Go out at night and you'll encounter the locals
Domesticated state
  10/23/25
you're responding to an 11 year old post and this was at nig...
passionate degenerate center
  10/23/25
Wow
Domesticated state
  10/23/25
Illinios suburbs are credited
cracking site community account
  08/06/14
lol
overrated cheese-eating mental disorder
  08/06/14
(strip mall enthusiast)
180 box office ape
  08/06/14
Describe and name such credited suburbs. Tyia.
snowy gunner gas station
  08/06/14
Alton, e st Louis, Belleville, Highland
Hairraiser abnormal spot
  08/06/14
e st louis credited as fuck if u lookin to buy rock and get ...
180 box office ape
  08/06/14
...
Hairraiser abnormal spot
  10/23/25
(pussy)
Domesticated state
  10/23/25
...
honey-headed legal warrant
  10/23/25
i'm never forget when wild negros stole stabby's jeep.
lascivious hospital nibblets
  08/06/14
...
honey-headed legal warrant
  10/23/25
the cab ride from the airport is a $42 tour of abandoned blo...
Ivory shrine toaster
  08/06/14
...
crimson pisswyrm
  08/06/14
i took the train from the airport to downtown and it was som...
Boyish House
  08/06/14
Let me guess.... Democrat stronghold for decades?
Lake vivacious yarmulke
  08/12/14
just left cards bar. can't really stress this enough
Ivory shrine toaster
  08/06/14
it's one of the few decent sized cities in America where con...
Sick concupiscible library gaming laptop
  08/06/14
...
crimson pisswyrm
  08/06/14
any city in florida is better for that. even tampa.
Ivory shrine toaster
  08/06/14
Let's not get carried away here, hoss
Ebony Provocative University
  08/06/14
...
Rusted Aromatic Forum
  08/06/14
...
Fear-inspiring garrison
  08/06/14
(describes every flyover city)
Wine dashing step-uncle's house milk
  08/12/14
(MAF non-John Burroughs goer)
very tactful theater stage
  10/23/25
What do you do for work? What part of STL do you live in?
crimson pisswyrm
  08/06/14
i don't live there. I am clearly a bignut since i get to tr...
Ivory shrine toaster
  08/06/14
I see I see. My STL experience is very limited but when I wa...
crimson pisswyrm
  08/06/14
oh i also got to eat dinner while looking in full view of a ...
Ivory shrine toaster
  08/06/14
Like the back of a Volkswagen?
Awkward Casino
  08/06/14
(shannon dougherty)
Ivory shrine toaster
  08/06/14
yeah, it's not great.
Galvanic Cordovan Boistinker Roast Beef
  08/06/14
awful place
Sepia splenetic elastic band
  08/06/14
A great example of failed urban planning. I thought I was g...
indecent menage
  08/06/14
How is it an example of failed urban planning? Not necessar...
Galvanic Cordovan Boistinker Roast Beef
  08/06/14
The parks appear to have been arbitrarily dropped in the dow...
indecent menage
  08/06/14
Got it. Sort of like how the public housing in MFH has wide...
Galvanic Cordovan Boistinker Roast Beef
  08/06/14
That's the first I've heard of La Vele di Scampia. Christ w...
indecent menage
  08/06/14
that’s all the “architectural ideas” of th...
honey-headed legal warrant
  10/23/25
This is overstated. If there's a key example of poor urban p...
Ebony Provocative University
  08/06/14
Maybe. I was only in downtown while there and my comment is...
indecent menage
  08/06/14
Sounds like it has one problem
Lake vivacious yarmulke
  08/12/14
...
Gold insecure principal's office
  05/27/23
the city is less than half the pop of what is was in the 70s...
Rusted Aromatic Forum
  08/06/14
well they were prob worried you would run off to go take dic...
Ivory shrine toaster
  08/07/14
it is insofar as “let’s let a million buckwild s...
honey-headed legal warrant
  10/23/25
Breaking New Yorkers are limp wristed fags
Domesticated state
  10/23/25
You should really check out East St. Lou
Grizzly locale
  08/06/14
st. Louis is literally the biggest piece of shit city in the...
contagious high-end den
  08/06/14
hit up the hill
arrogant temple
  08/06/14
...
crimson pisswyrm
  08/07/14
glad i got out of there when I did
Ivory shrine toaster
  08/12/14
(Mark McGwire)
Lake vivacious yarmulke
  08/12/14
...
Ivory shrine toaster
  08/05/22
...
passionate degenerate center
  10/22/25
I stayed at the most expensive hotel I could find at the tim...
Domesticated state
  10/23/25
There's a Four Seasons and a Ritz you dumb Chinese prole.
Razzle-dazzle Plum Shitlib Filthpig
  10/24/25
I had to be near the convention center for work, but you wou...
Domesticated state
  10/24/25
Was there a mentally ill chinese freak convention geek?
Razzle-dazzle Plum Shitlib Filthpig
  10/24/25
Yeah I'm Chinese, Jared
Domesticated state
  10/24/25
seems to be the case, and mentally ill
Razzle-dazzle Plum Shitlib Filthpig
  10/24/25
I know your name and can have you killed, but you have no id...
Domesticated state
  10/24/25
How would I tell you apart from the other billion NOWAGs who...
Razzle-dazzle Plum Shitlib Filthpig
  10/24/25
Excuses...
Domesticated state
  10/24/25
no one cares who you are. You're just some mentally ill lose...
Razzle-dazzle Plum Shitlib Filthpig
  10/24/25
do you think you're high IQ?
Domesticated state
  10/24/25
you have claimed to be Chinese before and also post a lot of...
Internet-worthy Pearly Goyim
  10/24/25
xo detectives will out me any day now
Domesticated state
  10/24/25
...
Hairraiser abnormal spot
  10/24/25


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Date: August 6th, 2014 12:21 AM
Author: Ivory shrine toaster

god fuck this place somewhere uncomfortable

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26070886)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 12:22 AM
Author: Mildly Autistic Partner Gay Wizard

explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26070893)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 12:23 AM
Author: Ivory shrine toaster

picture the sahara with tall buildings and an mlb team.

i walked around yesterday and literally went blocks without seeing a single person or car

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26070907)



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Date: October 23rd, 2025 1:39 AM
Author: Domesticated state

Go out at night and you'll encounter the locals

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#49367768)



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Date: October 23rd, 2025 4:19 PM
Author: passionate degenerate center

you're responding to an 11 year old post and this was at night. creepy af.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#49369208)



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Date: October 23rd, 2025 4:29 PM
Author: Domesticated state

Wow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#49369226)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 12:22 AM
Author: cracking site community account

Illinios suburbs are credited

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26070901)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 12:24 AM
Author: overrated cheese-eating mental disorder

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26070915)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 12:24 AM
Author: 180 box office ape

(strip mall enthusiast)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26070918)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 9:34 AM
Author: snowy gunner gas station

Describe and name such credited suburbs. Tyia.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26072491)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 11:42 AM
Author: Hairraiser abnormal spot

Alton, e st Louis, Belleville, Highland

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26072996)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 11:47 AM
Author: 180 box office ape

e st louis credited as fuck if u lookin to buy rock and get murdered behind a strip club

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26073024)



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Date: October 23rd, 2025 1:35 AM
Author: Hairraiser abnormal spot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#49367763)



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Date: October 23rd, 2025 1:39 AM
Author: Domesticated state

(pussy)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#49367771)



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Date: October 23rd, 2025 1:41 AM
Author: honey-headed legal warrant



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#49367776)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 12:23 AM
Author: lascivious hospital nibblets

i'm never forget when wild negros stole stabby's jeep.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26070914)



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Date: October 23rd, 2025 1:41 AM
Author: honey-headed legal warrant



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#49367777)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 12:27 AM
Author: Ivory shrine toaster

the cab ride from the airport is a $42 tour of abandoned blown out buildings on the side of an interstate for like 20 miles.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26070952)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 1:24 AM
Author: crimson pisswyrm



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26071443)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 9:29 AM
Author: Boyish House

i took the train from the airport to downtown and it was something out of Mogadishu

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26072457)



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Date: August 12th, 2014 10:09 AM
Author: Lake vivacious yarmulke

Let me guess.... Democrat stronghold for decades?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26112195)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 1:23 AM
Author: Ivory shrine toaster

just left cards bar. can't really stress this enough



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26071437)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 1:24 AM
Author: Sick concupiscible library gaming laptop

it's one of the few decent sized cities in America where conversations between strangers routinely begin with "where did you go to high school?"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26071446)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 1:25 AM
Author: crimson pisswyrm



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26071451)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 1:27 AM
Author: Ivory shrine toaster

any city in florida is better for that. even tampa.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26071466)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 10:41 AM
Author: Ebony Provocative University

Let's not get carried away here, hoss

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26072755)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 9:28 AM
Author: Rusted Aromatic Forum



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26072449)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 10:22 AM
Author: Fear-inspiring garrison



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26072691)



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Date: August 12th, 2014 10:26 AM
Author: Wine dashing step-uncle's house milk

(describes every flyover city)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26112246)



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Date: October 23rd, 2025 4:23 PM
Author: very tactful theater stage

(MAF non-John Burroughs goer)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#49369221)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 1:25 AM
Author: crimson pisswyrm

What do you do for work? What part of STL do you live in?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26071448)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 1:26 AM
Author: Ivory shrine toaster

i don't live there. I am clearly a bignut since i get to travel here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26071454)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 1:27 AM
Author: crimson pisswyrm

I see I see. My STL experience is very limited but when I was there the Loop was pretty fun.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26071465)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 1:45 AM
Author: Ivory shrine toaster

oh i also got to eat dinner while looking in full view of a picture of Joe Buck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26071581)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 2:10 AM
Author: Awkward Casino

Like the back of a Volkswagen?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26071712)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 2:11 AM
Author: Ivory shrine toaster

(shannon dougherty)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26071719)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 9:30 AM
Author: Galvanic Cordovan Boistinker Roast Beef

yeah, it's not great.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26072459)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 9:31 AM
Author: Sepia splenetic elastic band

awful place

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26072464)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 9:37 AM
Author: indecent menage

A great example of failed urban planning. I thought I was going to get mugged walking through one of their rundown, neglected parks in the mid afternoon. I was there with a group from NYC on a two week assignment and our employer wouldn't let anyone walk anywhere from our hotel after dark and demanded that we take cabs even if going just a few blocks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26072507)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 9:41 AM
Author: Galvanic Cordovan Boistinker Roast Beef

How is it an example of failed urban planning? Not necessarily disagreeing, just want you to expound on this more.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26072530)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 10:39 AM
Author: indecent menage

The parks appear to have been arbitrarily dropped in the downtown. They're not used for recreation and are in areas that don't demand high volumes of foot traffic. The result is large, open, visually unappealing spaces in the business district used primarily for criminal activity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26072749)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 10:46 AM
Author: Galvanic Cordovan Boistinker Roast Beef

Got it. Sort of like how the public housing in MFH has wide open spaces in between its buildings instead of normal MFH density, except that's on a smaller scale than what you're talking about w/r/t St. Louis.

Another example of this on a small scale is the Vele di Scampia in Naples.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26072765)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 10:56 AM
Author: indecent menage

That's the first I've heard of La Vele di Scampia. Christ what an atrocity. Actually makes St. Louis look kind of nice by comparison. But yeah similar examples of failure in urban design.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26072797)



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Date: October 23rd, 2025 1:47 AM
Author: honey-headed legal warrant

that’s all the “architectural ideas” of that misanthropic urban vandal Le Corbusier

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#49367781)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 11:02 AM
Author: Ebony Provocative University

This is overstated. If there's a key example of poor urban planning in St. Louis, downtown isn't it.

St. Louis' problems are flight, the erosion of industry and race, in that order

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26072822)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 11:12 AM
Author: indecent menage

Maybe. I was only in downtown while there and my comment is based on what I saw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26072868)



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Date: August 12th, 2014 10:28 AM
Author: Lake vivacious yarmulke

Sounds like it has one problem

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26112252)



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Date: May 27th, 2023 1:15 PM
Author: Gold insecure principal's office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#46361967)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 10:10 AM
Author: Rusted Aromatic Forum

the city is less than half the pop of what is was in the 70s. was nearly a mil and now around 300k. your post is why. the southwest part of the city is safe though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26072655)



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Date: August 7th, 2014 2:45 AM
Author: Ivory shrine toaster

well they were prob worried you would run off to go take dicks in your assholes. just effective staff planning there

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26078669)



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Date: October 23rd, 2025 1:44 AM
Author: honey-headed legal warrant

it is insofar as “let’s let a million buckwild southern negros move here during the great migration and destroy our great city” constitutes “urban planning”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#49367778)



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Date: October 23rd, 2025 1:50 AM
Author: Domesticated state

Breaking New Yorkers are limp wristed fags

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#49367782)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 11:02 AM
Author: Grizzly locale

You should really check out East St. Lou

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26072823)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 11:18 AM
Author: contagious high-end den

st. Louis is literally the biggest piece of shit city in the entire united states. other than like on elace in the central west end and two places on the hill, the rest of the city should just fall into a sink hole. I mean it cannot be stressed enough what a gigantic piece of shit st. Louis is

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26072886)



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Date: August 6th, 2014 11:19 AM
Author: arrogant temple

hit up the hill

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26072891)



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Date: August 7th, 2014 2:45 AM
Author: crimson pisswyrm



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26078673)



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Date: August 12th, 2014 10:02 AM
Author: Ivory shrine toaster

glad i got out of there when I did

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26112170)



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Date: August 12th, 2014 10:33 AM
Author: Lake vivacious yarmulke

(Mark McGwire)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#26112272)



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Date: August 5th, 2022 6:58 PM
Author: Ivory shrine toaster



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#44970114)



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Date: October 22nd, 2025 8:09 PM
Author: passionate degenerate center



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#49367258)



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Date: October 23rd, 2025 1:53 AM
Author: Domesticated state

I stayed at the most expensive hotel I could find at the time, some old Sheraton property "downtown" near the "convention center". The bars close early but one place was open late and I got hit on by black women. I got followed back to my hotel by some white hoodrats but they didn't do shit, they just walked. If I were Asian or Jewish I'd be scared but I'm neither. The city is a dump but only Jews would feel intimidated (Asians live in Clifton)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#49367784)



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Date: October 24th, 2025 6:15 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Plum Shitlib Filthpig

There's a Four Seasons and a Ritz you dumb Chinese prole.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#49372442)



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Date: October 24th, 2025 6:19 PM
Author: Domesticated state

I had to be near the convention center for work, but you wouldn't know what that's like bitch tits

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#49372451)



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Date: October 24th, 2025 6:21 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Plum Shitlib Filthpig

Was there a mentally ill chinese freak convention geek?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#49372452)



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Date: October 24th, 2025 6:21 PM
Author: Domesticated state

Yeah I'm Chinese, Jared

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#49372453)



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Date: October 24th, 2025 6:23 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Plum Shitlib Filthpig

seems to be the case, and mentally ill

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#49372462)



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Date: October 24th, 2025 6:24 PM
Author: Domesticated state

I know your name and can have you killed, but you have no idea who I am and never will, Jared Baumeister

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#49372465)



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Date: October 24th, 2025 6:25 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Plum Shitlib Filthpig

How would I tell you apart from the other billion NOWAGs who look exactly like you, you impotent mental patient loser?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#49372467)



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Date: October 24th, 2025 6:26 PM
Author: Domesticated state

Excuses...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#49372469)



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Date: October 24th, 2025 6:27 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Plum Shitlib Filthpig

no one cares who you are. You're just some mentally ill loser who goes on schizo freak out streaks on a dying message board. Take your meds.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#49372475)



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Date: October 24th, 2025 6:28 PM
Author: Domesticated state

do you think you're high IQ?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#49372478)



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Date: October 24th, 2025 6:22 PM
Author: Internet-worthy Pearly Goyim

you have claimed to be Chinese before and also post a lot of pro-China content but you are also schizophrenic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#49372458)



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Date: October 24th, 2025 6:23 PM
Author: Domesticated state

xo detectives will out me any day now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#49372461)



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Date: October 24th, 2025 6:10 PM
Author: Hairraiser abnormal spot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2637584&forum_id=2:#49372434)