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Describe QUINN EMANUEL - should i try to lateral there?
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Date: April 10th, 2013 2:21 AM Author: Dashing Snowy Hell Multi-billionaire I know it gets shit on, but why? Is it just the hours? Don't you get better lit experience at QE? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#22969318) |
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Date: April 10th, 2013 7:29 PM Author: Shivering clear resort marketing idea i interviewed at that firm for a lateral position. two of the associates i spoke to during the interview told me flat out that they weren't happy with their jobs and that they worked all the time. they said they were looking at other options like going in-house but didn't really know what they would do exactly if they weren't working at QE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#22972719) |
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Date: April 10th, 2013 7:31 PM Author: Galvanic lettuce cuckoldry sounds like every lit associate at every v20 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#22972731) |
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Date: April 10th, 2013 10:03 PM Author: Shivering clear resort marketing idea yeah 'cept at QE you get to wear SANDALS.
i love that abovethelaw article about the young partner from QE who quit the firm to go hangout in ireland
http://abovethelaw.com/2012/10/musical-chairs-just-walk-away/ |
Date: April 10th, 2013 7:33 PM Author: aqua boltzmann stage http://abovethelaw.com/2009/10/quinn-emanuel-believes-in-c-b-a-check-blackberry-always/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#22972743) |
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Date: April 10th, 2013 8:18 PM Author: unhinged bonkers filthpig parlour Egregious TTT now in sharp decline after losing the phone wars (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#22973017) |
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Date: June 10th, 2013 12:39 AM Author: motley turdskin smartphone wars far from over, little breh
http://www.americanlawyer.com/PubArticleAL.jsp?id=1202603134238&Quinn_Emanuel_Wins_Import_Ban_for_Samsung_in_Apple_Case |
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Date: April 10th, 2013 9:07 PM Author: Multi-colored stubborn fortuitous meteor Some people at Quinn get great experience. Some people don't. This is because the assignment system is disorganized and spotty. Apparently homegrown associates feel really shafted because Quinn brings in a lot of lateral partners and senior associates, and they feel like they can't make partner. Unless you're in a specialty lit group (e.g. patent), you feel like you can't make partner.
Every other person there is billing around 3000 hours.
It's a great place to get some solid experience for a few years, but it's not a partner move. |
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Date: April 15th, 2013 1:16 AM Author: motley turdskin there's no such thing as a specialty lit group. There are no groups, period. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#22999836) |
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Date: April 15th, 2013 2:18 AM Author: Mind-boggling indian lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23000056) |
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Date: April 15th, 2013 3:53 AM Author: motley turdskin Only in the sense that if you consistently work with patent lit partners, you'll have a lot of patent work thrown your way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23000258) |
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Date: April 15th, 2013 4:02 AM Author: effete abnormal market I call shitty flame right here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23000273) |
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Date: April 10th, 2013 10:31 PM Author: provocative flushed native quadroon I got the vibe that once you're in the 2400+ hrs zone and the parters you work for are uniformly assholes, you quickly stop caring about the "experience." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#22973882) |
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Date: April 15th, 2013 1:18 AM Author: motley turdskin Everything they say about the firm is true:
- Ton of hours - Relatively chill environment (in that no one cares what you wear or when/where you work as long as you get your shit done) - You get tons of real work/experience early. If you don't it's probably on you.
It's not a perfect firm - no firm is. But if you really want to do lit with your life, you could do a lot worse. |
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Date: April 15th, 2013 2:16 AM Author: Mind-boggling indian lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23000042) |
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Date: April 15th, 2013 2:22 AM Author: Dashing Snowy Hell Multi-billionaire What are some good CA lit firms to lateral to then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23000068) |
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Date: April 15th, 2013 2:32 AM Author: Mind-boggling indian lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23000103) |
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Date: April 15th, 2013 2:34 AM Author: Contagious emerald station lol mofo is just as bad as quinn. OMM is dying. irell is just as bad. the only firm i hear good thing about from associates there is gdc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23000111) |
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Date: April 15th, 2013 2:45 AM Author: Mind-boggling indian lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23000130) |
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Date: April 15th, 2013 3:51 AM Author: motley turdskin How is a firm with the second highest PPP in all of biglaw (and a firm whose revenue grew 17% last year) a "sinking ship"?
yfwgi, but if you're gonna troll, at least do it in ways that pass the laugh test. |
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Date: April 15th, 2013 11:41 AM Author: Mind-boggling indian lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23000959) |
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Date: April 15th, 2013 1:47 PM Author: lilac candlestick maker (MoFo second year.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23001444) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2013 1:59 AM Author: motley turdskin You literally have no idea what the hell you are talking about. This is miserable flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23058617) |
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Date: April 15th, 2013 3:46 AM Author: motley turdskin this is bizarre anti-Quinn trolling and it's at odds with every single thing I've heard about the firm.
"When things are slow, you're constantly worried about hours and being stealthed."
Make up your mind - are things so busy that "40% bill 3000+ hours" (a completely made-up and exaggerated stat), or are things so slow that people get stealthed? The reality is that things are almost never slow at Quinn - not only have I never heard of someone getting stealthed, but from what I've heard it's virtually impossible to get fired.
The reasons people don't last a long time at the firm (not a Quinn thing, btw - 16 months is about the average life of an associate at any of the v20) are: (1) the hours are rough; and (2) the experience and rep are good enough that people tend to have solid lateral options.
Yes, the firm has little formal training, but that's just a "know thyself" thing. If you know you don't do well in "sink or swim" places, QE isn't for you.
And layoffs? Again, no. I can't think of a big firm where layoffs seem less likely.
So yeah, not sure if someone is feeding you bad info or if you're just anti-Quinn trolling, but really gotta call BS on your post. |
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Date: April 15th, 2013 11:23 AM Author: poppy set Quinn is a sweatshop. You don't get insane PPP without making associates' lives horrible.
And, yes, high leverage firms like Quinn are at higher risk of associate layoffs. PPP is not some sort of buffer that partners will cut into to protect associates from layoffs during a down year. Instead, using leverage to generate high PPP indicates the opposite. |
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Date: April 15th, 2013 11:40 AM Author: Mind-boggling indian lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23000951) |
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Date: April 15th, 2013 11:36 AM Author: talented brethren I did a lateral interview. The associates all seemed completely drained and were pretty up-front about the brutal hours. I imagine you might get good experience, but it was pretty clear to me that was not a place I want to be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23000943) |
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Date: April 15th, 2013 12:14 PM Author: Galvanic lettuce cuckoldry can someone non-flame explain whether most Quinn associates are actually billing 3k a year? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23001094) |
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Date: April 15th, 2013 12:20 PM Author: talented brethren A girl there last year told me she'd be surprised if anybody in their office was under 2600. I know if you are below 200 in a month, you get put on a low billers list that is sent to John Quinn. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23001112) |
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Date: April 15th, 2013 12:24 PM Author: Galvanic lettuce cuckoldry i would imagine that 200/month pace for 4th years on up is expected at V20s and top tier boutiques where there is a shitload of work to do, right? and if u aren't doing 200/month pace as a midlevel, it's either because u are actively hiding/coasting before u quit, or ur on the shitlist and will be told at ur next review to pack ur bags (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23001122) |
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Date: April 15th, 2013 12:29 PM Author: poppy set Billing a minimum of 2400/yr is shitty but doable. Billing a minimum of 200/mo is insane because you never get down time from your 300 hour months. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23001139) |
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Date: April 15th, 2013 1:28 PM Author: beta abusive parlor No, 2400 is not an expectation at V20s. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23001328) |
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Date: April 16th, 2013 10:35 AM Author: Doobsian office milk Haha. This is so crazy. Any person who thinks spending their 20's and early 30's doing this is nuts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23008186) |
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Date: April 16th, 2013 7:32 PM Author: Trip striped hyena ticket booth this just isn't realistic-- 2000 is fine at major firms if your work product is fine. 2200 is good. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23011047) |
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Date: April 15th, 2013 12:41 PM Author: blue autistic tattoo i dont know associates billing 3k/year but i know 2 associates who are billing 2500-2600. they're 2nd and 3rd years who do a lot of busy work and doc review.
i also know 2 former associates forced out due to "low" hours of 2100-2200. i don't know any other firm that is so aggressive in forcing out "underperforming" associates. underperforming is something like 1700-1800 and below at a normal firm. |
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Date: April 16th, 2013 10:43 AM Author: bistre windowlicker Don't know much about biglaw. Are there any v20 firms where you're actually able to have something close to a work life balance (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23008210) |
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Date: April 16th, 2013 6:05 PM Author: Shivering clear resort marketing idea V20 is the top 20 firms in Profits Per Partner. those profits are from associates billing around the clock. if you want in balance more work life balance look for firms that have a lower PPP (i.e. the lower ranked vault firms) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23010656) |
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Date: April 16th, 2013 7:31 PM Author: Passionate crotch "V20 is the top 20 firms in Profits Per Partner."
Uhhh no. |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 4:41 PM Author: Contagious emerald station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23360073) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2013 9:46 PM Author: Dashing Snowy Hell Multi-billionaire (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23056798) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2013 1:58 AM Author: motley turdskin This thread was really bothering me because rarely has the bort consensus deviated so sharply from what I'd been hearing (at least, in law-related things). So, I called up the two Quinn people I know - a girl in the LA office and a guy in MFH - and peppered them with questions about their current view of the firm. Here was their consensus:
1) Hours are bad, but not as bad as this bort suggests. The guy who said 40% break 3000 hours is complete flame. The "you get called out if you go under 200 in a month" thing is also an urban legend, a bad rumor. Each of the people I talked to said they knew people in the low 2000s, and most people fall somewhere in the 2400-2800 range. Is it worse than firms in the V50-100 range? Yes. But not much worse than most firms in the V20, and on par with the other V20 sweatshops like S&C.
2) Neither has ever worked with a "screamer." Of course, both have worked with bad partners and good partners (I imagine this is true for just about every biglaw associate), but the guy in the NY office lateralled from another V20 and said that the partner culture was 10x better at Quinn.
3) Both agree that the firm is cheap as hell when it comes to things like perks, and that it doesn't do a great job of showing that it cares about associates. Training and formal mentoring are nonexistent, and people who don't do well in sink-or-swim environments tend to crash and burn.
4) Both backed up the consensus that you're more likely to get experience doing stuff. Most of the midlevels at Quinn have taken depos, and many have argued in court. Most seniors have questioned a witness at trial and possibly even second-chaired a trial. Accordingly, lateral options really are solid from Quinn, as lateralling in lit is all about experience and what you've actually done. Quinn has among the best exit options you'll find in biglaw lit.
5) Neither has ever heard of anyone being stealthed (by stealthing, I mean firing a mediocre associate because business is slow. Firing a really crappy associate isn't "stealthing"). The guy in the NY office laughed out loud when I mentioned layoffs. He said he was aware of two associates that burned out, took several-month leaves of absence (one of them in the middle of a case) and rejoined the firm afterwards. He says that the firm has an army of contract attorneys, many of whom are doing associate-level work - and that if things ever got slow, they (and not associates) would be the first to go.
6) The idea that the firm is struggling because of the Apple-Samsung loss is again, complete flame. Revenue is still on the rise, business is still booming, and the firm is still growing. NOTE: I was skeptical on this point because how much should I trust people who work there? But they sent me links of big wins, and apparently the firm just poached a couple of big names from Weil including the managing partner of the Weil DC office.
Overall both are really happy to be at Quinn. That said, the girl - who is a midlevel - is starting to think about lateralling. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2013 2:07 AM Author: Bateful medicated haunted graveyard "Each of the people I talked to said they knew people in the low 2000s, and most people fall somewhere in the 2400-2800 range."
LOL AT YOU FUCKTARD.
That plus the "great experience" line made it sound like that work/balance video where the guy bragged about being home for dinner so he could get back to work. Omg, they have heard about people billing what is in the high range at most big law firms! What a joy! |
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Date: April 23rd, 2013 2:17 AM Author: motley turdskin the fuck you yelling at me for? I'm just trying to answer the OP's question with the perspective of people who are actually at Quinn.
I agree, hours at Quinn are bad. It's one of the reasons I'm not interested in lateralling there. But they're not as bad as the idiot who was saying 40% break 3000 hours. I'm just trying to offer some info on how bad as opposed to uninformed exaggeration. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2013 9:22 AM Author: Harsh roast beef Thanks for offering some valuable insight. Honestly it sounds like hours are pretty bad there, even if slightly less than internet rumors. But that's about what I would have thought, you can tell when it seems like something is being exaggerated a bit and you have to take it with a grain of salt. But again thanks for posting some more direct info. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23059128) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2013 9:35 AM Author: talented brethren I think it actually has the worst hours of any biglaw firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23059151) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2013 8:32 AM Author: arousing hissy fit giraffe (3L going to Quinn in the fall) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23059062) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2013 9:42 AM Author: Galvanic lettuce cuckoldry if they have an army of K attorneys doing associate level work what do they need all those actual associates for? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23059173) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2013 9:48 AM Author: Galvanic lettuce cuckoldry were these people junior associates? at a firm like this, 2400-2800 is going to be the range for 4th years and above, 2400 probably being the min. u can get away with 2100 as a junior associate but if ur still hitting only 2100 by 4th year ur probably on your way out.
all top firms i know have stealthed people - they cut the lowest performers ITE that they wouldnt have 10 years ago because natural attrition rate isnt high enough anymore
having argued and done depos is normal for any associate by 4th year, even at a shitty v50 |
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Date: April 23rd, 2013 9:25 AM Author: Charcoal marvelous cruise ship dopamine Don't they wear jeans in the office? That alone makes it a good firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23059133) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 4:39 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle principal's office messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23360059) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 4:47 PM Author: aphrodisiac nursing home corn cake How can associates whine so loudly, badmouth their firms so openly, and keep their jobs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23360106) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 4:48 PM Author: talented brethren anon message board = so openly now? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23360113) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 5:00 PM Author: Mind-boggling indian lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23360183) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 6:52 PM Author: motley turdskin (rabid anti-Quinn troll) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23360923) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 4:50 PM Author: supple ivory business firm (marooned skadden associate) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23360120) |
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Date: June 9th, 2013 6:54 PM Author: arousing hissy fit giraffe john quinn furiously drafting demand letter poast in all lower case text (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23360943) |
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Date: June 10th, 2013 12:21 AM Author: Bat shit crazy aquamarine stage cot damn this thread is crazy. I'm at flyover v50 "biglaw" and all the attorneys at the local firms call my firm a sweatshop. However, I don't know one attorney at my firm that will bill 2000 hours or more this year. Once you hit 1900, they ask why the fuck you're still there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2225079&forum_id=2:#23363782) |
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