Describe QUINN EMANUEL - should i try to lateral there?
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Date: April 10th, 2013 10:03 PM Author: multi-colored business firm
yeah 'cept at QE you get to wear SANDALS.
i love that abovethelaw article about the young partner from QE who quit the firm to go hangout in ireland
http://abovethelaw.com/2012/10/musical-chairs-just-walk-away/
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Date: April 10th, 2013 9:07 PM Author: Narrow-minded opaque death wish
Some people at Quinn get great experience. Some people don't. This is because the assignment system is disorganized and spotty. Apparently homegrown associates feel really shafted because Quinn brings in a lot of lateral partners and senior associates, and they feel like they can't make partner. Unless you're in a specialty lit group (e.g. patent), you feel like you can't make partner.
Every other person there is billing around 3000 hours.
It's a great place to get some solid experience for a few years, but it's not a partner move.
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Date: April 15th, 2013 1:18 AM Author: Effete headpube
Everything they say about the firm is true:
- Ton of hours
- Relatively chill environment (in that no one cares what you wear or when/where you work as long as you get your shit done)
- You get tons of real work/experience early. If you don't it's probably on you.
It's not a perfect firm - no firm is. But if you really want to do lit with your life, you could do a lot worse.
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Date: April 15th, 2013 3:46 AM Author: Effete headpube
this is bizarre anti-Quinn trolling and it's at odds with every single thing I've heard about the firm.
"When things are slow, you're constantly worried about hours and being stealthed."
Make up your mind - are things so busy that "40% bill 3000+ hours" (a completely made-up and exaggerated stat), or are things so slow that people get stealthed? The reality is that things are almost never slow at Quinn - not only have I never heard of someone getting stealthed, but from what I've heard it's virtually impossible to get fired.
The reasons people don't last a long time at the firm (not a Quinn thing, btw - 16 months is about the average life of an associate at any of the v20) are: (1) the hours are rough; and (2) the experience and rep are good enough that people tend to have solid lateral options.
Yes, the firm has little formal training, but that's just a "know thyself" thing. If you know you don't do well in "sink or swim" places, QE isn't for you.
And layoffs? Again, no. I can't think of a big firm where layoffs seem less likely.
So yeah, not sure if someone is feeding you bad info or if you're just anti-Quinn trolling, but really gotta call BS on your post.
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Date: April 23rd, 2013 1:58 AM Author: Effete headpube
This thread was really bothering me because rarely has the bort consensus deviated so sharply from what I'd been hearing (at least, in law-related things). So, I called up the two Quinn people I know - a girl in the LA office and a guy in MFH - and peppered them with questions about their current view of the firm. Here was their consensus:
1) Hours are bad, but not as bad as this bort suggests. The guy who said 40% break 3000 hours is complete flame. The "you get called out if you go under 200 in a month" thing is also an urban legend, a bad rumor. Each of the people I talked to said they knew people in the low 2000s, and most people fall somewhere in the 2400-2800 range. Is it worse than firms in the V50-100 range? Yes. But not much worse than most firms in the V20, and on par with the other V20 sweatshops like S&C.
2) Neither has ever worked with a "screamer." Of course, both have worked with bad partners and good partners (I imagine this is true for just about every biglaw associate), but the guy in the NY office lateralled from another V20 and said that the partner culture was 10x better at Quinn.
3) Both agree that the firm is cheap as hell when it comes to things like perks, and that it doesn't do a great job of showing that it cares about associates. Training and formal mentoring are nonexistent, and people who don't do well in sink-or-swim environments tend to crash and burn.
4) Both backed up the consensus that you're more likely to get experience doing stuff. Most of the midlevels at Quinn have taken depos, and many have argued in court. Most seniors have questioned a witness at trial and possibly even second-chaired a trial. Accordingly, lateral options really are solid from Quinn, as lateralling in lit is all about experience and what you've actually done. Quinn has among the best exit options you'll find in biglaw lit.
5) Neither has ever heard of anyone being stealthed (by stealthing, I mean firing a mediocre associate because business is slow. Firing a really crappy associate isn't "stealthing"). The guy in the NY office laughed out loud when I mentioned layoffs. He said he was aware of two associates that burned out, took several-month leaves of absence (one of them in the middle of a case) and rejoined the firm afterwards. He says that the firm has an army of contract attorneys, many of whom are doing associate-level work - and that if things ever got slow, they (and not associates) would be the first to go.
6) The idea that the firm is struggling because of the Apple-Samsung loss is again, complete flame. Revenue is still on the rise, business is still booming, and the firm is still growing. NOTE: I was skeptical on this point because how much should I trust people who work there? But they sent me links of big wins, and apparently the firm just poached a couple of big names from Weil including the managing partner of the Weil DC office.
Overall both are really happy to be at Quinn. That said, the girl - who is a midlevel - is starting to think about lateralling.
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Date: April 23rd, 2013 2:07 AM Author: citrine overrated liquid oxygen pocket flask
"Each of the people I talked to said they knew people in the low 2000s, and most people fall somewhere in the 2400-2800 range."
LOL AT YOU FUCKTARD.
That plus the "great experience" line made it sound like that work/balance video where the guy bragged about being home for dinner so he could get back to work. Omg, they have heard about people billing what is in the high range at most big law firms! What a joy!
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Date: April 23rd, 2013 9:48 AM Author: green twinkling uncleanness
were these people junior associates? at a firm like this, 2400-2800 is going to be the range for 4th years and above, 2400 probably being the min. u can get away with 2100 as a junior associate but if ur still hitting only 2100 by 4th year ur probably on your way out.
all top firms i know have stealthed people - they cut the lowest performers ITE that they wouldnt have 10 years ago because natural attrition rate isnt high enough anymore
having argued and done depos is normal for any associate by 4th year, even at a shitty v50
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