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PSA: Jones Day is ranked 15 by Vault and doesn't pay lockstep

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.
godawful rehab
  06/15/18
“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”
Supple preventive strike
  06/15/18
As I understand it.
awkward fishy faggot firefighter
  06/15/18
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Disrespectful Concupiscible Jewess Liquid Oxygen
  06/15/18
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Disrespectful Concupiscible Jewess Liquid Oxygen
  02/12/22
they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. th...
embarrassed to the bone boyish plaza
  06/15/18
oh we got a legal expert here
Thriller Garnet Pocket Flask
  10/06/21
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godawful rehab
  02/12/22
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Martin Skhreli
  08/12/25
they have no debt as I understand it
floppy parlour
  06/15/18
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Disrespectful Concupiscible Jewess Liquid Oxygen
  06/15/18
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razzmatazz house-broken temple laser beams
  06/15/18
260k is a huge salary
floppy parlour
  06/15/18
goes a long way in shaker heights
slippery stead pervert
  06/15/18
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sooty outnumbered brunch famous landscape painting
  06/15/18
Cr. Thats city janitor money
Disrespectful Concupiscible Jewess Liquid Oxygen
  06/15/18
Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal ...
Bespoke rusted principal's office keepsake machete
  06/15/18
How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 ...
clear therapy alpha
  02/12/21
It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your cha...
charcoal box office
  06/15/18
they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live ...
embarrassed to the bone boyish plaza
  06/15/18
sounds 180
floppy parlour
  06/15/18
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sooty outnumbered brunch famous landscape painting
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razzmatazz house-broken temple laser beams
  06/15/18
https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/myst...
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Disrespectful Concupiscible Jewess Liquid Oxygen
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awkward fishy faggot firefighter
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razzmatazz house-broken temple laser beams
  06/15/18
https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1
razzmatazz house-broken temple laser beams
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charcoal box office
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copper big-titted masturbator
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razzmatazz house-broken temple laser beams
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copper big-titted masturbator
  10/06/21
is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 intera...
godawful rehab
  10/06/21
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godawful rehab
  01/18/25
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I hate being a lawyer and want to die
  08/12/25
omg 260k where do they get off
Claret azn internal respiration
  06/15/18
For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t ...
godawful rehab
  06/15/18
p depressing news going into the weekend
hyperventilating magical marketing idea messiness
  06/15/18
Eat my dick nigger lover
godawful rehab
  06/15/18
your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire...
hyperventilating magical marketing idea messiness
  06/15/18
Explain
godawful rehab
  06/15/18
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godawful rehab
  06/16/18
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godawful rehab
  09/04/18
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copper big-titted masturbator
  06/16/18
yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put...
buff racy state
  06/15/18
To be fair, *Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends
Disturbing Turdskin House
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godawful rehab
  02/12/21
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pea-brained violet lodge tattoo
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razzmatazz house-broken temple laser beams
  02/15/21
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godawful rehab
  10/14/21
I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.
umber clown mad-dog skullcap
  02/12/21
holy shit out the firm
multi-colored brethren
  02/12/21
or at least give us vault range. that is really low.
godawful rehab
  02/12/21
Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.
Indigo Indian Lodge
  02/12/21
it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression a...
godawful rehab
  02/12/21
That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cr...
Indigo Indian Lodge
  02/12/21
i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.
godawful rehab
  02/15/21
They systematically overpay top performers though. If you'r...
Spectacular ruby ticket booth
  02/12/21
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pea-brained violet lodge tattoo
  02/12/21
No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an...
umber clown mad-dog skullcap
  02/12/21
Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they ca...
Spectacular ruby ticket booth
  02/12/21
Better partnership odds
Tripping trip home
  02/12/21
That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner ...
Spectacular ruby ticket booth
  02/12/21
Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except f...
Tripping trip home
  02/12/21
(Stevie Brogan)
multi-colored brethren
  02/12/21
lol no
razzle spot pisswyrm
  02/12/21
how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Clevel...
lascivious mood
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godawful rehab
  06/29/21
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godawful rehab
  10/06/21
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Idiotic Marvelous Elastic Band
  10/06/21
that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.
avocado kitty cat
  10/06/21
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godawful rehab
  02/12/22


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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: godawful rehab

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#36252934)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: Supple preventive strike

“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#36252952)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:33 PM
Author: awkward fishy faggot firefighter

As I understand it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#36253562)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:37 PM
Author: Disrespectful Concupiscible Jewess Liquid Oxygen



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:55 AM
Author: Disrespectful Concupiscible Jewess Liquid Oxygen



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone boyish plaza

they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. the high ranking is from their NY and DC specialty practices, which didn't arrive until the 80s. they lost their entire DC office when it broke off to form crowell & moring

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#36252972)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:10 PM
Author: Thriller Garnet Pocket Flask

oh we got a legal expert here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#43231415)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:41 AM
Author: godawful rehab



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:15 PM
Author: Martin Skhreli ((zurich is stained))



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: floppy parlour

they have no debt as I understand it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#36252979)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: Disrespectful Concupiscible Jewess Liquid Oxygen



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: razzmatazz house-broken temple laser beams



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: floppy parlour

260k is a huge salary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#36252984)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: slippery stead pervert

goes a long way in shaker heights

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:41 PM
Author: sooty outnumbered brunch famous landscape painting



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Disrespectful Concupiscible Jewess Liquid Oxygen

Cr. Thats city janitor money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#36253068)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Bespoke rusted principal's office keepsake machete

Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal profession will always have a massive oversupply problem unless major changes are made.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#36252986)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:14 PM
Author: clear therapy alpha

How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 firms are all competing over the same band of graduates and to a lesser extent laterals. There's an oversupply of lawyers in the country but there isn't an oversupply of Class of 2017 Stanford Law graduates willing to do debt financing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#41935785)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: charcoal box office

It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your chances of making a career of it v. maximizing your earnings. That's always been my impression, although maybe incorrect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#36252995)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone boyish plaza

they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live in the midwest making six figures as basically a career of counsel, it might work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#36253002)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: floppy parlour

sounds 180

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:42 PM
Author: sooty outnumbered brunch famous landscape painting



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: razzmatazz house-broken temple laser beams



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: vibrant space

https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/mysterybox.png

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Disrespectful Concupiscible Jewess Liquid Oxygen



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: awkward fishy faggot firefighter



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: razzmatazz house-broken temple laser beams



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: razzmatazz house-broken temple laser beams

https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: charcoal box office



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:46 PM
Author: copper big-titted masturbator



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: razzmatazz house-broken temple laser beams



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:12 PM
Author: copper big-titted masturbator



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: godawful rehab

is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 interacts with 7.2" guy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#43231447)



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Date: January 18th, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: godawful rehab



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:32 PM
Author: I hate being a lawyer and want to die



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: Claret azn internal respiration

omg 260k where do they get off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#36253074)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: godawful rehab

For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t pay lockstep and was making 260k when I made partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#36253521)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:28 PM
Author: hyperventilating magical marketing idea messiness

p depressing news going into the weekend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#36253537)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:15 PM
Author: godawful rehab

Eat my dick nigger lover

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#36253786)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: hyperventilating magical marketing idea messiness

your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire du jour

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#36254215)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: godawful rehab

Explain

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Date: June 16th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: godawful rehab



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Date: September 4th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: godawful rehab



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Date: June 16th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: copper big-titted masturbator



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:28 PM
Author: buff racy state

yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put in some time and then afterwards you basically write your own ticket

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#36253827)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: Disturbing Turdskin House

To be fair,

*Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#36254339)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:22 PM
Author: godawful rehab



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:21 PM
Author: pea-brained violet lodge tattoo



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: razzmatazz house-broken temple laser beams



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Date: October 14th, 2021 1:53 PM
Author: godawful rehab



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:36 PM
Author: umber clown mad-dog skullcap

I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#41933507)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:37 PM
Author: multi-colored brethren

holy shit

out the firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#41933521)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:15 PM
Author: godawful rehab

or at least give us vault range. that is really low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#41933783)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:22 PM
Author: Indigo Indian Lodge

Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#41933832)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: godawful rehab

it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression at firms that don't pay lockstep (like mine). I think when i made partner biglaw was at 180 or 190 for first years. i was making 260 when i was put up. my firm always matches the market salary for first years but does nothing for anyone year 2 and beyond.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#41933852)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:27 PM
Author: Indigo Indian Lodge

That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cravath scale but it’s been a while since I’ve seen the list

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#41933882)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:02 PM
Author: godawful rehab

i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#41949761)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: Spectacular ruby ticket booth

They systematically overpay top performers though. If you're a 6th year doing 2400+ hours and unhappy with your pay and you're good, you could walk across the street to any other firm that does lockstep. But now you make the same as their worst sixth year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#41933851)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:39 PM
Author: pea-brained violet lodge tattoo



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:10 PM
Author: umber clown mad-dog skullcap

No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an associate of the same year at a lockstep firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#41935758)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:57 PM
Author: Spectacular ruby ticket booth

Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they can go to another firm tomorrow and get more money?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#41935989)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:00 PM
Author: Tripping trip home

Better partnership odds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#41935999)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:04 PM
Author: Spectacular ruby ticket booth

That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner classes, but it's a longer track too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#41936016)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:10 PM
Author: Tripping trip home

Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except for places where no one makes partner (Cravath, S&C, etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#41936043)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:15 PM
Author: multi-colored brethren

(Stevie Brogan)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#41935792)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:22 PM
Author: razzle spot pisswyrm

lol no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#41935828)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:12 PM
Author: lascivious mood

how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Cleveland? the Shaker Heights trolling has got me curious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#41949811)



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Date: June 29th, 2021 8:18 AM
Author: godawful rehab



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:07 PM
Author: godawful rehab



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:15 PM
Author: Idiotic Marvelous Elastic Band



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: avocado kitty cat

that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2:#43231452)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:43 AM
Author: godawful rehab



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