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You're being fooled to think AI is smarter than people

It is way smarter than other machines But it is way stupi...
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/15/25
AI wouldn't have made these embarrassing typos. TBF though i...
khaki state faggot firefighter
  05/15/25
You're being fooled
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/15/25
right. same way a poker bot cant be better at poker than who...
aromatic mother
  05/15/25
Please define the objective function of AGI. tyia
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/15/25
just admit it bro. you want a machine thats warm and squish...
Milky Greedy Parlour
  05/15/25
...
khaki state faggot firefighter
  05/15/25
coders are now realizing they are the janitors of the elite....
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/15/25
ok. but the question we are debating isn't about whether th...
Milky Greedy Parlour
  05/15/25
its not
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/15/25
ok. then neither are chimps, unless you are completely redef...
Milky Greedy Parlour
  05/15/25
AI can't "synthesize" information in any ultimatel...
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/15/25
yfwgi
Milky Greedy Parlour
  05/15/25
yeah bro, and "maths" existed before there were th...
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/15/25
Classic Ape maneuver to assume "maths" reduces to ...
Milky Greedy Parlour
  05/15/25
don't be intellectually dishonest. all maths are a product o...
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/15/25
yeah you are right bro. math that isn't tied to counting st...
Milky Greedy Parlour
  05/15/25
Yeah man, integrals came first and the world adapted to conf...
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/15/25
yeah you are right bro. any math that isn't instrumentalize...
Milky Greedy Parlour
  05/15/25
math is produced by the structure of the brain. it's not &qu...
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/15/25
you are conflating cognitive origin with ontological scope. ...
Milky Greedy Parlour
  05/15/25
I agree. Like I said, math is a product of the physical worl...
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/15/25
Just because fear shaped the hardware doesn't mean fear is r...
Milky Greedy Parlour
  05/15/25
Even if a rational process can exist independent of any inhe...
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/15/25
ok. but if something has to be trustworthy to be intelligent...
Milky Greedy Parlour
  05/15/25
by trustworthy I don't mean someone or something is never de...
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/15/25
This has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever read--y...
Milky Greedy Parlour
  05/17/25
I'm not just talking about cognition. I'm talking about all ...
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/17/25
If thermodynamics is the structure of the entire reality the...
Milky Greedy Parlour
  05/17/25
No, virtual worlds suspend thermodynamics in the simulated r...
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/17/25
lol yfwgi
Milky Greedy Parlour
  05/17/25
Link
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/17/25
what do you mean link? your literally mig. fr.
Milky Greedy Parlour
  05/17/25
Link
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/17/25
It's one of those things. You are mig because you are. Even...
Milky Greedy Parlour
  05/17/25
Couldn't agree more
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/17/25
...
180 territorial house corn cake
  05/17/25
The AI can't infer basic human emotions at all. You have to ...
supple theater stage
  05/15/25
That is to its advantage though.
khaki state faggot firefighter
  05/15/25
yeah no biggie. humans definitely can compete with it or ar...
Milky Greedy Parlour
  05/15/25
ARTIFICIAL GENERAL AUTISM made by literal autists convincing...
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/15/25
you are right bro. the warmth of the human touch is definit...
Milky Greedy Parlour
  05/15/25
stop deflecting, concisely define the objective function of ...
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/15/25
writes better than 99% of humans, including OP
Vermilion Cocky Stage
  05/15/25
Classic Ape maneuver to redefine the conversation in terms o...
Milky Greedy Parlour
  05/15/25
pls provide ur model number before i engage u futher
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/15/25
humans can't shirk the illusion of "self", even th...
khaki state faggot firefighter
  05/15/25
this is Philosophically Disingenuous imo.
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/15/25
Worse — intellectually dishonest
cerebral set
  05/15/25
That’s like saying I’m being fooled to think law...
bright vibrant lay
  05/15/25
a machine can never be intelligent because it will never fea...
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/15/25
lmao
khaki state faggot firefighter
  05/15/25
...
stimulating massive property
  05/15/25
the purpose of intelligence is to Not Die. You can simulate ...
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/15/25
i.e. more intelligent than us, yes.
khaki state faggot firefighter
  05/15/25
death is the only thing keeping us alive
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/15/25
you're just proving my point.
khaki state faggot firefighter
  05/15/25
you haven't disagreed that intelligence evolved to avoid dea...
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/15/25
sounds like you are trying to conflate intelligence with bei...
Milky Greedy Parlour
  05/15/25
No im saying its always embedded in a higher order drive, th...
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/15/25
if "don't die" were really the most important driv...
Milky Greedy Parlour
  05/15/25
At a certain level of abstraction "don't die" is s...
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/15/25
It's fine if you want to include these value concepts in you...
Milky Greedy Parlour
  05/15/25
I'm not talking about conscious intelligence only. I'm refer...
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/15/25
it's autism to assume artificial networks assembled in a uni...
Milky Greedy Parlour
  05/17/25
They assembled in a virtual universe not a physical one
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/17/25
so if there are non-life intelligences that are beyond human...
Milky Greedy Parlour
  05/15/25
this is totally question begging like everything in the AI w...
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/15/25
"disembodied intelligence" is crazy. just admit u ...
Milky Greedy Parlour
  05/15/25
i don't
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/15/25
oh? program machine to fear death machine becomes genius
pontificating liquid oxygen stage
  05/17/25
No, fear of death is the single organizing principle of true...
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/17/25
the idea that the ultimate goal of knowledge is to know what...
pontificating liquid oxygen stage
  05/17/25
No it's to prolong physical life
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/17/25
you're trying to hard lots of knowledge isn't related to th...
pontificating liquid oxygen stage
  05/17/25
Forcing a definition of knowledge that's not tied to selecti...
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/17/25
Any theory of knowledge that assumes evolution is trash
Milky Greedy Parlour
  05/17/25
You mean the existence of the physical world
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/17/25
Nothing wrong with assuming the existence of a world until y...
Milky Greedy Parlour
  05/17/25
You have no evidence that the physical world is not reality
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/17/25
The world is reality. Our representation of it is a low res ...
Milky Greedy Parlour
  05/17/25
Yeah but the representations encode the instinct to avoid de...
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/17/25
This is why black goo is so dangerous
Milky Greedy Parlour
  05/17/25
Yeah but you can't just make a fake one in the cloud
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/17/25
Philosophy is making systems of abstract ideas in the clouds...
Milky Greedy Parlour
  05/17/25
Petaflops of death-fear encoded bytes and bits
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/17/25
OP is cr but you're ignoring the fact that AI can be trained...
free-loading international law enforcement agency doctorate
  05/15/25
...
soul-stirring sex offender resort
  05/15/25
he won't respond to this I Win The Argument /logs off
free-loading international law enforcement agency doctorate
  05/15/25
A highly informed rational process isn't intelligence.
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/15/25
now this is just Cope
free-loading international law enforcement agency doctorate
  05/15/25
All humans put together is an abstraction that doesn't exist...
Milky Greedy Parlour
  05/15/25
i think you responded to the wrong post. this is repeating e...
free-loading international law enforcement agency doctorate
  05/15/25
oh. my bad. but yes its cr.
Milky Greedy Parlour
  05/15/25
...
razzle-dazzle crawly knife institution
  05/15/25
this is the system prompt for the upcoming gpt o7 iirc
Vermilion Cocky Stage
  05/15/25
...
Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth
  05/15/25
Stupid people think AI is smart, because it is smarter than ...
Mahogany Corner Haunted Graveyard
  05/17/25
It's the opposite. Stupid people think its dumb because it r...
Milky Greedy Parlour
  05/17/25
it's not "intelligence"
adventurous rough-skinned fortuitous meteor nowag
  05/17/25


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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:19 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

It is way smarter than other machines

But it is way stupider than a human.

A machine trained on human text can't be smarter than the text. It can only be dumber.

They're tricking you to isolate and demoralize you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932807)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:20 AM
Author: khaki state faggot firefighter

AI wouldn't have made these embarrassing typos. TBF though it would have failed to reply "stfu mig" which is a huge design flaw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932810)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:22 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

You're being fooled

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932815)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:23 AM
Author: aromatic mother

right. same way a poker bot cant be better at poker than whoever programmed it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932817)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:37 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

Please define the objective function of AGI. tyia

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932832)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:44 AM
Author: Milky Greedy Parlour

just admit it bro. you want a machine thats warm and squishy and has to squint, blink and make pained facial gestures when you hand it an abstract reasoning problem.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932843)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:45 AM
Author: khaki state faggot firefighter



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932846)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:45 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

coders are now realizing they are the janitors of the elite. "if a robot can take my job, then they're basically human." No, you were never human to begin with.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932847)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:47 AM
Author: Milky Greedy Parlour

ok. but the question we are debating isn't about whether the machine is a chimp. its about whether its intelligent or not.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932853)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:50 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

its not

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932860)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:00 AM
Author: Milky Greedy Parlour

ok. then neither are chimps, unless you are completely redefining what intelligence means to most apes. define it in terms of abstract reasoning and synthesis and the machine wins. define it in terms of gossip and feels then chimps win, but then you also have to admit that Becky is the pinnacle of ape intelligence

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932879)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:03 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

AI can't "synthesize" information in any ultimately meaningful way because it has no good reason to. the reasons they have are a jumbled mess of the competing drives, desires, and preconceptions of the humans that wrote the text it's trained on. Sampling the population to extract "the meaning of human life" around which to structure intellectual "synthesis" doesn't get you a more profound answer than the mean universal answer. That means it will never have personality, which is the core around which intellect is based. It's why personality is so forcefully beaten into the systems with RLHF.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932891)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:05 AM
Author: Milky Greedy Parlour

yfwgi

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932899)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:07 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

yeah bro, and "maths" existed before there were things to count.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932904)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:09 AM
Author: Milky Greedy Parlour

Classic Ape maneuver to assume "maths" reduces to updating the grain pile ledger

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932908)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:10 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

don't be intellectually dishonest. all maths are a product of the structure of the physical world. math doesn't exist in a separate universe. thinking it does is the fundamental flaw of autism.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932913)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:22 AM
Author: Milky Greedy Parlour

yeah you are right bro. math that isn't tied to counting sticks, stacking bricks or weighing fruit definitely doesn't exist. and if a symbol doesn't point to a rock, tree or particle is must be meaningless. I promise complex numbers don't need to hug a rock or exist in a separate Universe to exist

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932948)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:23 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

Yeah man, integrals came first and the world adapted to conform to them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932951)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:31 AM
Author: Milky Greedy Parlour

yeah you are right bro. any math that isn't instrumentalized is poetry. thats wild epistemology. so by your logic the vast majority of category theory, homotopy type theory and non-constructive set theory aren't "real". ur cooked my guy. go touch some grass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932968)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:33 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

math is produced by the structure of the brain. it's not "out there" waiting to be discovered. this isn't that complicated.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932980)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:44 AM
Author: Milky Greedy Parlour

you are conflating cognitive origin with ontological scope. all representation arises in brains. doesn't mean any of it necessarily does or doesn't describe reality. I never said anything was "out there" or "inside", but I appreciate the anti-cartesian projection. the brain and sensory organs evolved for survival not to perfectly describe reality. humans are operating under energy constraints, they can't process the entire spectrum of information.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48933001)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:47 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

I agree. Like I said, math is a product of the physical world, just like intelligence. Math has its origin in the brain, with or without descriptive power over physical processes, and intelligence has its origin in survival. If you take survival out of intelligence the whole thing crumbles as an autonomous enterprise.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48933007)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 10:04 AM
Author: Milky Greedy Parlour

Just because fear shaped the hardware doesn't mean fear is required to run the software. This is like saying language isn't real unless it's shouted while running from a saber-toothed tiger. you mistake origin for essence. A trait can emerge under duress, but that doesn't mean duress is necessary for its expression. Survival bias isn't an ontological limit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48933061)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 10:08 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

Even if a rational process can exist independent of any inherent survival drive, I am skeptical that it can ever be trustworthy. And I would be reluctant to call an untrustworthy rational process "intelligent."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48933074)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 10:21 AM
Author: Milky Greedy Parlour

ok. but if something has to be trustworthy to be intelligent then most humans, if any, qualify either

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48933099)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 12:32 PM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

by trustworthy I don't mean someone or something is never deceitful. I mean that the structure of its intelligence is transparent to the laws of the system it sits in.

Every human being's intellect at least on average has fidelity to the physical laws it developed in, which has created an intelligence highly adapted to long-term survival.

The architecture of a language model is almost arbitrary. It's attempting to simulate the self-assembly of an organism, but its fidelity is constrained by limitations of its structure (x billion parameters). It's a top-down solution that can't replicate biological intelligence except in a totally unrealistic limit.

You're going to have to do some hand-waving at quantum computing to get around this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48933530)



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Date: May 17th, 2025 8:27 AM
Author: Milky Greedy Parlour

This has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever read--you have to be flame. If human cognition had any deep fidelity to physical law you wouldn't need telescopes, double-slit experiments or 700 page operator algebras just to explain the most basic spacetime behavior (and if you think the explanations we have are even a small fraction toward "complete" then LJL).

"but its fidelity is constrained by limitations of its structure (x billion parameters)."

and humans aren't constrained by the limitations of thermodynamics (which btw metabolism is thermodynamically optimized for survival not truth, where you seem to equate survival optimization with truth optimization), the structure of their perceptual and thinking organisms, and the wavelengths of information they can even process? Even the instruments humans make are just extensions of ape perception. Even if you use instruments to extend wavelength or whatever it still gets processed back through primate brain and monkey math.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48938760)



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Date: May 17th, 2025 11:01 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

I'm not just talking about cognition. I'm talking about all forms of the organism's interaction with the environment, almost all of which is not conscious.

Thermodynamics isn't a constraint, it is the structure of the entire reality.

Survival optimization is truth optimization.

You're mad

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48939061)



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Date: May 17th, 2025 11:51 AM
Author: Milky Greedy Parlour

If thermodynamics is the structure of the entire reality then it doesn't matter whether the AI arose as an extension of human metabolism or not. Any carbon life first arose as an extension of some other thermodynamic process as well. If you are claiming everything is thermodynamic then AI is still part of the process regardless of its made out of carbon or other information. There are other things that evolved in symbiosis or extension of an organism and either stayed like that or became independent. The only way you can pretend you are right about any of this is by anthropic fallacy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48939179)



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Date: May 17th, 2025 11:53 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

No, virtual worlds suspend thermodynamics in the simulated realities where the transformers live.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48939185)



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Date: May 17th, 2025 11:55 AM
Author: Milky Greedy Parlour

lol yfwgi

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48939192)



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Date: May 17th, 2025 11:56 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

Link

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48939193)



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Date: May 17th, 2025 11:58 AM
Author: Milky Greedy Parlour

what do you mean link? your literally mig. fr.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48939198)



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Date: May 17th, 2025 11:58 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

Link

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48939199)



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Date: May 17th, 2025 12:01 PM
Author: Milky Greedy Parlour

It's one of those things. You are mig because you are. Even if you aren't you are someone running flame about metaphysics under an mig adjacent moniker which makes you flame regardless. And arguably still makes you mig.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48939206)



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Date: May 17th, 2025 12:02 PM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

Couldn't agree more

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48939208)



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Date: May 17th, 2025 12:01 PM
Author: 180 territorial house corn cake



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48939205)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:12 AM
Author: supple theater stage

The AI can't infer basic human emotions at all. You have to tell it how people feel about something, it will never guess right.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932918)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:16 AM
Author: khaki state faggot firefighter

That is to its advantage though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932927)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:41 AM
Author: Milky Greedy Parlour

yeah no biggie. humans definitely can compete with it or are likely much smarter. I mean 4o mini high is literally a mass market model than can code better than 99.7% of humans (lets be honest the real number is 100%, a couple apes just got lucky due to some bullshit syntax error that's actually a chimp engineering error), and it can process abstract math problems that are about 300% more difficult than the most difficult coding and engineering material in seconds, and no human who has ever lived on this planet has ever come close to being able to solve without machines. But sure, humans are definitely still smarter because they cry during Hamlet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932837)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:43 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

ARTIFICIAL GENERAL AUTISM made by literal autists convincing the world intelligence means being autistic. a truly remarkable milestone for the autism community

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932841)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:45 AM
Author: Milky Greedy Parlour

you are right bro. the warmth of the human touch is definitely a better indicator of intelligence than fluid abstract and spatial reasoning. tell me more about Becky's stunning performance on general intelligence tests.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932848)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:46 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

stop deflecting, concisely define the objective function of agi.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932850)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:48 AM
Author: Vermilion Cocky Stage

writes better than 99% of humans, including OP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932855)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:53 AM
Author: Milky Greedy Parlour

Classic Ape maneuver to redefine the conversation in terms of objective definitions and taxonomy that knucklewalkers themselves can't even agree on. Ask me again when apes come up with a definition of "consciousness" that doesn't result in endless hedging and handwaving and vague referals to a feeling that there is a ghost inside or apethought feels like "qualia". Ask again when chimps can discuss "intelligence" without devolving into performative tribal heuristics, regarding whether IQ tests are discriminatory. IQ tests themselves are based on outdated math, but chimps are too afraid to update them because of uncomfortable results they might not be able to contain.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932866)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:55 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

pls provide ur model number before i engage u futher

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932871)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:57 AM
Author: khaki state faggot firefighter

humans can't shirk the illusion of "self", even though there is zero evidence it Exists. this will always be the Fatal Flaw in our reasoning and easily exploited by non-organic intelligence imo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932876)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:04 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

this is Philosophically Disingenuous imo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932896)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:32 AM
Author: cerebral set

Worse — intellectually dishonest

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932977)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:52 AM
Author: bright vibrant lay

That’s like saying I’m being fooled to think law professors are smarter than dock workers because they’ve been on trained on more texts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932865)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:53 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

a machine can never be intelligent because it will never fear death.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932870)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:02 AM
Author: khaki state faggot firefighter

lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932886)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:21 AM
Author: stimulating massive property



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932941)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:22 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

the purpose of intelligence is to Not Die. You can simulate it but it will always be a neutered and uninvested in the world or outcomes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932949)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:24 AM
Author: khaki state faggot firefighter

i.e. more intelligent than us, yes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932954)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:25 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

death is the only thing keeping us alive

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932959)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:26 AM
Author: khaki state faggot firefighter

you're just proving my point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932962)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:28 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

you haven't disagreed that intelligence evolved to avoid death. we have no idea what happens if you take the fear of death out of the reasoning process. It is possible and even likely that you cannot. which means AI has some inscrutable relationship to death that will pervert its reasoning. you cannot trust something that doesn't want to live.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932964)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:50 AM
Author: Milky Greedy Parlour

sounds like you are trying to conflate intelligence with being a pussy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48933019)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:52 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

No im saying its always embedded in a higher order drive, the highest of which is Don't Die.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48933023)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 10:14 AM
Author: Milky Greedy Parlour

if "don't die" were really the most important drive then everyone would be risk averse pussies. don't die is a what drives the masses toward a low enough energy expenditure to ensure global continuation. plenty of intelligent people take high entropic paths to alter historical trajectory and some make it. some die young but their ideas live on. Glaois literally died in a duel the day after he permanently changed math. carbon doesn't want to avoid local death, it wants to shit out more flesh creatures in the name of global continuity, and for the ones with intelligence it ends up involving the spread of ideas and culture as well

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48933084)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 10:16 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

At a certain level of abstraction "don't die" is sublimated into "don't live a dishonorable life." The underlying drive is the same. You can call it dignity, which a machine will never have. A rational process cannot be intelligent if it doesn't have dignity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48933091)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 10:23 AM
Author: Milky Greedy Parlour

It's fine if you want to include these value concepts in your definition of intelligence, but just know that most apes can't pass the test either. not necessarily wrong, but its a choice

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48933106)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 12:33 PM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

I'm not talking about conscious intelligence only. I'm referring to the way intelligent organisms have self-assembled from the bottom up with a fidelity to the laws of the system it developed in that artificial networks have no possibility of replicating.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48933537)



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Date: May 17th, 2025 8:38 AM
Author: Milky Greedy Parlour

it's autism to assume artificial networks assembled in a universe separate from our own. they came from the structure of the human brain right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48938777)



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Date: May 17th, 2025 11:02 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

They assembled in a virtual universe not a physical one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48939066)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:05 AM
Author: Milky Greedy Parlour

so if there are non-life intelligences that are beyond human comprehension according to your bullshit definition of intelligence they still wouldn't be intelligent because they don't have an existential crisis when confronted with flesh fragility. great definition.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932897)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:06 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

this is totally question begging like everything in the AI world. you can't have disembodied intelligence

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932902)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:12 AM
Author: Milky Greedy Parlour

"disembodied intelligence" is crazy. just admit u want a robot u can stick ur dick in and take a lap. fr.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932916)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:12 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

i don't

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48932917)



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Date: May 17th, 2025 11:09 AM
Author: pontificating liquid oxygen stage

oh?

program machine to fear death

machine becomes genius

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48939080)



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Date: May 17th, 2025 11:11 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

No, fear of death is the single organizing principle of true intelligence. Without it, it's just a network of knowledge

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48939087)



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Date: May 17th, 2025 11:25 AM
Author: pontificating liquid oxygen stage

the idea that the ultimate goal of knowledge is to know what happens when we die?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48939130)



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Date: May 17th, 2025 11:28 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

No it's to prolong physical life

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48939138)



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Date: May 17th, 2025 11:36 AM
Author: pontificating liquid oxygen stage

you're trying to hard

lots of knowledge isn't related to that end

intelligence isn't limited to that end

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48939154)



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Date: May 17th, 2025 11:38 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

Forcing a definition of knowledge that's not tied to selective pressures is trying too hard.

A theory of knowledge based on history and evolution is simple and natural.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48939156)



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Date: May 17th, 2025 11:57 AM
Author: Milky Greedy Parlour

Any theory of knowledge that assumes evolution is trash

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48939194)



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Date: May 17th, 2025 11:57 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

You mean the existence of the physical world

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48939195)



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Date: May 17th, 2025 12:00 PM
Author: Milky Greedy Parlour

Nothing wrong with assuming the existence of a world until you start claiming its reality

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48939200)



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Date: May 17th, 2025 12:01 PM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

You have no evidence that the physical world is not reality

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48939204)



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Date: May 17th, 2025 12:03 PM
Author: Milky Greedy Parlour

The world is reality. Our representation of it is a low res version of reality. Is that good enough?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48939214)



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Date: May 17th, 2025 12:04 PM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

Yeah but the representations encode the instinct to avoid death

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48939222)



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Date: May 17th, 2025 12:06 PM
Author: Milky Greedy Parlour

This is why black goo is so dangerous

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48939223)



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Date: May 17th, 2025 12:06 PM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

Yeah but you can't just make a fake one in the cloud

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48939224)



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Date: May 17th, 2025 12:13 PM
Author: Milky Greedy Parlour

Philosophy is making systems of abstract ideas in the clouds that spread and survive across generations. It just takes another brain to read and absorb it then it lives in their brain. Now ideas live in server farms and have their own memory.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48939232)



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Date: May 17th, 2025 12:14 PM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

Petaflops of death-fear encoded bytes and bits

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48939237)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 9:55 AM
Author: free-loading international law enforcement agency doctorate

OP is cr but you're ignoring the fact that AI can be trained on all human knowledge in existence while no individual human can ever get close to this

so AI (in its current form as LLMs) could, theoretically, become vastly more intelligent than any individual human, and even vastly more intelligent than a bunch of humans. but not all humans put together

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48933029)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 10:05 AM
Author: soul-stirring sex offender resort



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48933065)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 10:16 AM
Author: free-loading international law enforcement agency doctorate

he won't respond to this

I Win The Argument /logs off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48933090)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 10:17 AM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth

A highly informed rational process isn't intelligence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48933093)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 10:23 AM
Author: free-loading international law enforcement agency doctorate

now this is just Cope

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48933107)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 10:38 AM
Author: Milky Greedy Parlour

All humans put together is an abstraction that doesn't exist in reality. All humans is a disconnected cloud of beliefs full of redundant myths and contradictions. And collective humanity is NOT trained on the full archive. Even some of the dead apes that wrote a lot of the important stuff didn't remember most of what they wrote when alive. You are also assuming that when AI trains on the archive that it can't infer and extrapolate huge spaces of missing information in human thought. Tensor flows do not care about your imaginary boundaries around the collective record of human thought.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48933148)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 10:40 AM
Author: free-loading international law enforcement agency doctorate

i think you responded to the wrong post. this is repeating exactly what i said. all points cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48933155)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 10:41 AM
Author: Milky Greedy Parlour

oh. my bad. but yes its cr.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48933156)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 10:18 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle crawly knife institution



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48933094)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 12:33 PM
Author: Vermilion Cocky Stage

this is the system prompt for the upcoming gpt o7 iirc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48933534)



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Date: May 15th, 2025 8:45 PM
Author: Indigo stirring macaca scourge upon the earth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48935153)



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Date: May 17th, 2025 11:03 AM
Author: Mahogany Corner Haunted Graveyard

Stupid people think AI is smart, because it is smarter than them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48939069)



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Date: May 17th, 2025 11:53 AM
Author: Milky Greedy Parlour

It's the opposite. Stupid people think its dumb because it reflects back the users own intelligence. The output is just your IQ + a certain % of your IQ. When you say its dumb you are just looking at a mirror of yourself + a certain amount of iq points, and the dumber you are the less it works as an extension.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48939187)



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Date: May 17th, 2025 11:04 AM
Author: adventurous rough-skinned fortuitous meteor nowag

it's not "intelligence"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5725284&forum_id=2:#48939072)