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🚨 Pakistan shoots down Indian passenger airline 🚨

https://www.twitter.com/BabaHakim0/status/193309346744329865...
Excitant Mint Striped Hyena Sweet Tailpipe
  06/12/25
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180 Library
  06/12/25
OP jokes but hints at a larger problem with accidents that h...
bossy comical hospital regret
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180 Library
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Crimson cuckold
  06/12/25
If captain allears had been on board it wouldnt have gone do...
Razzle blue gaping jap
  06/12/25
supposedly it crashed directly into a medical school while s...
Excitant Mint Striped Hyena Sweet Tailpipe
  06/12/25
*white people breathing ANOTHER sigh of relief*
galvanic disrespectful lettuce
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Floppy Tanning Salon Nowag
  06/12/25
wow
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marvelous at-the-ready trump supporter theater stage
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bossy comical hospital regret
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Bateful Bawdyhouse Toilet Seat
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Irradiated Brethren
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pontificating garrison legend
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deep sandwich
  06/12/25
Jewish guy at the very back of the plane survived for a whil...
bossy comical hospital regret
  06/12/25
not flame, i thought of going to korea on a holiday right be...
180 Library
  06/12/25
Thoughts and prayers
Hairraiser Dull Gas Station
  06/12/25
I took an Air India flight in about 2018 but I'm OK
marvelous at-the-ready trump supporter theater stage
  06/12/25
Don't let Koreans pilot your aircraft. At least Indians co-p...
Mentally impaired masturbator
  06/12/25
Saw an Infographic recently which said India has the highest...
carnelian talented stage digit ratio
  06/12/25
They're probably better than the men
Mentally impaired masturbator
  06/12/25
yep and they brag abt it, in airports they have signs braggi...
Gaped Kitty Cat Church
  06/12/25
Almost certainly pilot error. The 787 is an exhaustively pr...
Chartreuse haunting personal credit line cuckoldry
  06/12/25
Oh fuck we convince India to buy those? These "people&q...
Mentally impaired masturbator
  06/12/25
yep its not like some of the guys at boeing who actually mad...
Gaped Kitty Cat Church
  06/12/25
Bro on X said the flaps appeared to be set at 0 instead of 1...
Racy house-broken new version
  06/12/25
Doesn't necessarily mean it was pilot error but still, you k...
Mentally impaired masturbator
  06/12/25
this is just like the wright brothers at kitty hawk (right u...
appetizing abode partner
  06/12/25
jfc some guy in comments claims it shows the pilots retract...
marvelous at-the-ready trump supporter theater stage
  06/12/25
this other guy says the same thing https://x.com/PilotPoli/...
marvelous at-the-ready trump supporter theater stage
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how is this not an automated part of the takeoff?
bossy comical hospital regret
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marvelous at-the-ready trump supporter theater stage
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LOL stupid fuckin jeets let's import millions more!
Big Cobalt Psychic Shrine
  06/12/25
i don't see any birdshits. this looks like pilot error. the ...
carnelian talented stage digit ratio
  06/12/25
JFC, motherfucker stalled almost instantly
bossy comical hospital regret
  06/12/25
Holy shit
odious bat shit crazy foreskin
  06/12/25
how is this a "tragedy"?
Big Cobalt Psychic Shrine
  06/12/25
What is the exact cause of death in an accident like this? B...
crawly amber area
  06/12/25
blunt force trauma most likely... it was an instaneous massi...
Spruce therapy
  06/12/25
There are often some survivors in crashes like this though, ...
crawly amber area
  06/12/25
TT your response to the death offirst officer Clive (son of ...
appetizing abode partner
  06/12/25
pilot did the needful and kept these jeets out of western co...
Gaped Kitty Cat Church
  06/12/25
He probably told the pilot what was happening, but the pilot...
Mentally impaired masturbator
  06/12/25
Guy from the prior flight claims nothing on the plane was wo...
slippery legal warrant box office
  06/12/25
thats all their planes though, why dont they crash. they act...
Gaped Kitty Cat Church
  06/12/25
I can't believe Indians would struggle with airplane mainten...
Mentally impaired masturbator
  06/12/25
stupid clickbait
bossy comical hospital regret
  06/12/25
Wow, that's insane. What a piece of shit airline these turds...
multi-colored trailer park faggotry
  06/12/25
turns out jet fuel can melt jeets
salmon stage
  06/12/25
Saar! Saar! Do not redeem the flaps Saar! Do not redeem s...
salmon stage
  06/12/25
"Fuck you bloody" *conversation cuts off*
Mentally impaired masturbator
  06/12/25
new angle https://x.com/JeffWCarlton/status/1933176198122...
Flickering Stirring Boltzmann
  06/12/25
🚨BREAKING🚨 Audio between the pilot of Air India flight...
galvanic disrespectful lettuce
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carnelian talented stage digit ratio
  06/12/25
You can tell that's exactly what happened. Even maintenance ...
Mentally impaired masturbator
  06/12/25
I'm honestly not sure if this is a joke
Lime sanctuary
  06/12/25
not flame my pilot instructor friend did nothing but drill t...
Mentally impaired masturbator
  06/12/25
The one where they crashed in the river because the copilot ...
lascivious autistic resort pocket flask
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That's a really weird one for sure. It's like taking the LSA...
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marvelous at-the-ready trump supporter theater stage
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Diverse idiot corner
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Irradiated Brethren
  06/13/25
One passenger managed to JUMP and survive this time. https:...
Magical Hyperactive Indian Lodge Really Tough Guy
  06/12/25
get that goy a moniker
cerebral painfully honest crackhouse
  06/12/25
ran here when I saw this, you see him on the ground just wal...
Opaque free-loading boiling water
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Date: June 12th, 2025 5:27 AM
Author: Excitant Mint Striped Hyena Sweet Tailpipe

https://www.twitter.com/BabaHakim0/status/1933093467443298659

242 passengers; outbound to london from ahmedabad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49007641)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 5:39 AM
Author: 180 Library

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49007649)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:00 AM
Author: bossy comical hospital regret

OP jokes but hints at a larger problem with accidents that happen in countries where saving face is more important that the truth, or saving lives, or any other trivial thing like that

India’s “investigation” of this crash will be an absolute farce, and in no way will any Indian be accused of anything. not the pilots, not the ATC, not the ground crews, no one

it’s those benchods from Boeing and their faulty plane

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49007676)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:08 AM
Author: 180 Library

120

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49007680)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:55 AM
Author: Crimson cuckold



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49007712)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:23 PM
Author: Razzle blue gaping jap

If captain allears had been on board it wouldnt have gone down like that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49009581)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:36 AM
Author: Excitant Mint Striped Hyena Sweet Tailpipe

supposedly it crashed directly into a medical school while school was in session.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49007701)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:38 AM
Author: galvanic disrespectful lettuce

*white people breathing ANOTHER sigh of relief*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49007704)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:40 AM
Author: Floppy Tanning Salon Nowag



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49007707)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:55 AM
Author: Crimson cuckold

wow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49007713)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 8:00 AM
Author: marvelous at-the-ready trump supporter theater stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49007773)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 8:33 AM
Author: bossy comical hospital regret



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49007819)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 9:34 AM
Author: Bright territorial coffee pot background story



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49007959)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 11:02 AM
Author: Bateful Bawdyhouse Toilet Seat



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008197)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 11:06 AM
Author: Irradiated Brethren



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008220)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 11:07 AM
Author: pontificating garrison legend



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008224)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 2:35 PM
Author: deep sandwich



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008806)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:38 AM
Author: bossy comical hospital regret

Jewish guy at the very back of the plane survived for a while and apparently was cogent enough to remark “is there a doctor on board?” before expiring

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49007705)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:57 AM
Author: 180 Library

not flame, i thought of going to korea on a holiday right before that jeju air crash.

i thought the same about a sojourn in maine right before that schizo killed 30 people

i guess in this instance it was TT holding the bag this time round, hopefully that implies he inherited my curse

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49007715)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 7:59 AM
Author: Hairraiser Dull Gas Station

Thoughts and prayers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49007771)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 8:00 AM
Author: marvelous at-the-ready trump supporter theater stage

I took an Air India flight in about 2018 but I'm OK

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49007774)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 2:59 PM
Author: Mentally impaired masturbator

Don't let Koreans pilot your aircraft. At least Indians co-pilots will argue. Korean co-pilots just stay silent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008932)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 8:15 AM
Author: carnelian talented stage digit ratio

Saw an Infographic recently which said India has the highest number of female pilots. Something like 12%. ljl.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49007794)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 9:12 AM
Author: Mentally impaired masturbator

They're probably better than the men

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49007906)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 11:06 AM
Author: Gaped Kitty Cat Church

yep and they brag abt it, in airports they have signs bragging abt it, ljl pajeets

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008216)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 9:19 AM
Author: Chartreuse haunting personal credit line cuckoldry

Almost certainly pilot error. The 787 is an exhaustively proven aircraft.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49007922)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 9:20 AM
Author: Mentally impaired masturbator

Oh fuck we convince India to buy those? These "people" are amazing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49007923)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 11:05 AM
Author: Gaped Kitty Cat Church

yep its not like some of the guys at boeing who actually made the plane warned that eventually these will fall out of the sky cause they are SHIT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008213)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 5:01 PM
Author: Racy house-broken new version

Bro on X said the flaps appeared to be set at 0 instead of 15 degrees, guaranteeing a crash.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49009353)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 5:04 PM
Author: Mentally impaired masturbator

Doesn't necessarily mean it was pilot error but still, you know they were arguing in the cockpit on the way down

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49009362)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 10:20 AM
Author: appetizing abode partner

this is just like the wright brothers at kitty hawk (right until the end)

https://x.com/Vikasmakwana111/status/1933162059556159903

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008084)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 10:25 AM
Author: marvelous at-the-ready trump supporter theater stage

jfc

some guy in comments claims it shows the pilots retracted flaps instead of landing gear

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008097)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 10:59 AM
Author: marvelous at-the-ready trump supporter theater stage

this other guy says the same thing

https://x.com/PilotPoli/status/1933091986543886618

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008188)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 11:01 AM
Author: bossy comical hospital regret

how is this not an automated part of the takeoff?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008193)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 11:04 AM
Author: marvelous at-the-ready trump supporter theater stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008206)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 11:06 AM
Author: Big Cobalt Psychic Shrine

LOL stupid fuckin jeets

let's import millions more!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008218)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 10:32 AM
Author: carnelian talented stage digit ratio

i don't see any birdshits. this looks like pilot error. the plane looks too slow even on the takeoff roll.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008117)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 10:34 AM
Author: bossy comical hospital regret

JFC, motherfucker stalled almost instantly

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008122)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:22 PM
Author: odious bat shit crazy foreskin

Holy shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49009575)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 11:03 AM
Author: Big Cobalt Psychic Shrine

how is this a "tragedy"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008203)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 11:07 AM
Author: crawly amber area

What is the exact cause of death in an accident like this? Blunt force trauma? Being ripped apart by the explosion? Burning alive? Smoke inhalation?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008226)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 1:39 PM
Author: Spruce therapy

blunt force trauma most likely... it was an instaneous massive explosion and the blast alone would definitely render you unconscious before being burned alive by jet fuel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008645)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 2:46 PM
Author: crawly amber area

There are often some survivors in crashes like this though, which suggest many passengers probably survive the initial impact but probably succumb to fire or smoke inhalation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008867)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 11:50 AM
Author: appetizing abode partner

TT your response to the death offirst officer Clive (son of Clifford) "Kunder" cousin to bollywood superstar "Vikrant" Massey?

https://www.indiatvnews.com/entertainment/news/air-india-plane-crash-who-was-clive-kunder-vikrant-massey-reacts-to-co-pilot-s-death-see-post-2025-06-12-994457

Maybe he used to fly for Loganair in scotland?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwyVWaCAD2A



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008343)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 1:55 PM
Author: Gaped Kitty Cat Church

pilot did the needful and kept these jeets out of western countries, he deserves a medal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008677)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 1:56 PM
Author: Mentally impaired masturbator

He probably told the pilot what was happening, but the pilot ignored him because he comes from a lower caste.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008681)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 1:50 PM
Author: slippery legal warrant box office

Guy from the prior flight claims nothing on the plane was working: https://x.com/akku92/status/1933114664923148455

Jesus, it might turn out India's flag carrier actually ran a Dreamliner into the ground to the point it couldn't take off without crashing!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008665)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 1:57 PM
Author: Gaped Kitty Cat Church

thats all their planes though, why dont they crash. they actually have a pretty good safety record, last major crash was like 10 years ago or something

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008686)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 1:58 PM
Author: Mentally impaired masturbator

I can't believe Indians would struggle with airplane maintenance after watching TT encounter a small diesel engine.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008687)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 1:59 PM
Author: bossy comical hospital regret

stupid clickbait

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008694)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 2:01 PM
Author: multi-colored trailer park faggotry

Wow, that's insane. What a piece of shit airline these turds can't do anything right

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008698)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 1:53 PM
Author: salmon stage

turns out jet fuel can melt jeets

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008672)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 1:54 PM
Author: salmon stage

Saar! Saar! Do not redeem the flaps Saar! Do not redeem saar!!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008676)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 2:35 PM
Author: Mentally impaired masturbator

"Fuck you bloody" *conversation cuts off*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008804)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 2:33 PM
Author: Flickering Stirring Boltzmann

new angle

https://x.com/JeffWCarlton/status/1933176198122639791

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008798)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 2:53 PM
Author: galvanic disrespectful lettuce

🚨BREAKING🚨 Audio between the pilot of Air India flight 171 and tower control was released.

https://x.com/TheOnlyDSC/status/1933173833214919023

heads will roll over this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008906)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 2:55 PM
Author: carnelian talented stage digit ratio



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008921)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 2:57 PM
Author: Mentally impaired masturbator

You can tell that's exactly what happened. Even maintenance crews fucked up, the pilot and co-pilot were arguing with each other the whole time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49008928)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 5:07 PM
Author: Lime sanctuary

I'm honestly not sure if this is a joke

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49009367)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 5:09 PM
Author: Mentally impaired masturbator

not flame my pilot instructor friend did nothing but drill this into the heads of foreign pilots: THERE'S NO HIERARCHY IN THE COCKPIT. He played black box recordings of fatal crashes where the co-pilot said nothing and made students listen to them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49009370)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:41 PM
Author: lascivious autistic resort pocket flask

The one where they crashed in the river because the copilot didn’t make a bigger deal about the fact that the snow machine / deicer wasn’t on still haunts me.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Florida_Flight_90



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49009633)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:42 PM
Author: Mentally impaired masturbator

That's a really weird one for sure. It's like taking the LSAT and getting every question wrong.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49009637)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:16 PM
Author: marvelous at-the-ready trump supporter theater stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49009565)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 7:38 PM
Author: Diverse idiot corner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49009820)



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Date: June 13th, 2025 1:53 AM
Author: Irradiated Brethren



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49011130)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 5:44 PM
Author: Magical Hyperactive Indian Lodge Really Tough Guy

One passenger managed to JUMP and survive this time. https://www.reuters.com/world/india/survivor-air-india-crash-jumped-out-emergency-exit-police-say-2025-06-12/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49009470)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:23 PM
Author: cerebral painfully honest crackhouse

get that goy a moniker

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736563&forum_id=2:#49009576)



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Date: June 13th, 2025 1:28 AM
Author: Opaque free-loading boiling water

ran here when I saw this, you see him on the ground just walking off? rip to all those souls but that man must feel fucking alive

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