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DBG, is it halakhic to bring concealed carry to synagogue?

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Misunderstood Station
  12/16/25
Absolutely, assuming it’s a legal weapon. Even on shab...
Sapphire Electric Furnace Candlestick Maker
  12/16/25
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Misunderstood Station
  12/16/25
The Shabbos thing is a racket. It's like driving to Shul bec...
Overrated lettuce sweet tailpipe
  12/16/25
Huh? At most shuls outside of MFH, many people drive to shul...
Sapphire Electric Furnace Candlestick Maker
  12/16/25
The point is you can't just break Shabbat because of some un...
Overrated lettuce sweet tailpipe
  12/16/25
wtf are u talking about? there's no shabbos prohibition to c...
Sapphire Electric Furnace Candlestick Maker
  12/16/25
Guns are muktzah.
Overrated lettuce sweet tailpipe
  12/16/25
I just texted a rabbi and he said it’s halakhic to bri...
Misunderstood Station
  12/16/25
that's a fringe opinion. OU is the gold standard: In an e...
Sapphire Electric Furnace Candlestick Maker
  12/16/25
Yeah these are the same people who say you can't make ramen ...
Overrated lettuce sweet tailpipe
  12/17/25
state where you got semicha from before i engage you further
Sapphire Electric Furnace Candlestick Maker
  12/17/25
Yeshiva Aish Someach. My supervising rabbi was Rabbi Dr. Mid...
Overrated lettuce sweet tailpipe
  12/17/25
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Misunderstood Station
  12/17/25
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Sapphire Electric Furnace Candlestick Maker
  12/17/25
how do they get home?
azure irradiated locus
  12/16/25
they still live in walking distance. they drive to shul f...
Sapphire Electric Furnace Candlestick Maker
  12/16/25
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azure irradiated locus
  12/17/25
presumably you couldnt fire the gun though?
Hyperventilating cream whorehouse factory reset button
  12/16/25
correct. you cant shoot targets in your backyard on shabbos....
Sapphire Electric Furnace Candlestick Maker
  12/16/25
Surely juris DOCTORS can work on Sabbath then
fantasy-prone principal's office
  12/16/25
ofs. international lawyers can file habeas corpus writs -- t...
Sapphire Electric Furnace Candlestick Maker
  12/16/25
How was malchut d'mishpat not taken as a moniker?
chestnut property scourge upon the earth
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Sapphire Electric Furnace Candlestick Maker
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Misunderstood Station
  12/17/25
i love scholarship
navy native
  12/16/25
genuinely in awe here, you people are so good at this
up-to-no-good pontificating trump supporter
  12/17/25
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Sapphire Electric Furnace Candlestick Maker
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navy native
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Misunderstood Station
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Misunderstood Station
  12/17/25
There's no such phrase and it sounds like the broken hebrama...
Overrated lettuce sweet tailpipe
  12/17/25
is that the sound a jew makes when it curses a christian
scarlet beta people who are hurt
  12/16/25


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Date: December 16th, 2025 8:47 PM
Author: Misunderstood Station



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Date: December 16th, 2025 8:50 PM
Author: Sapphire Electric Furnace Candlestick Maker

Absolutely, assuming it’s a legal weapon. Even on shabbos. In shuls in red states, a ton of people are armed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811181&forum_id=2:#49515464)



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Date: December 16th, 2025 9:03 PM
Author: Misunderstood Station

18000

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Date: December 16th, 2025 9:09 PM
Author: Overrated lettuce sweet tailpipe

The Shabbos thing is a racket. It's like driving to Shul because who knows if a lifesaving emergency may require the use of a vehicle.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811181&forum_id=2:#49515508)



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Date: December 16th, 2025 9:19 PM
Author: Sapphire Electric Furnace Candlestick Maker

Huh? At most shuls outside of MFH, many people drive to shul on friday before shabbos and park overnight. They would be able to drive if there’s some emergency in shul.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811181&forum_id=2:#49515518)



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Date: December 16th, 2025 9:24 PM
Author: Overrated lettuce sweet tailpipe

The point is you can't just break Shabbat because of some unknown hypothetical risk. If there were some predetermined quota and list of people designated to carry, I'd maybe buy it. As it is it's just the people who like guns and designate themselves as responsible to protect people's "lives" so they can carry on Shabbat.

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Date: December 16th, 2025 9:29 PM
Author: Sapphire Electric Furnace Candlestick Maker

wtf are u talking about? there's no shabbos prohibition to carry a gun, assuming you're inside an eruv.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811181&forum_id=2:#49515534)



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Date: December 16th, 2025 10:18 PM
Author: Overrated lettuce sweet tailpipe

Guns are muktzah.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811181&forum_id=2:#49515647)



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Date: December 16th, 2025 10:39 PM
Author: Misunderstood Station

I just texted a rabbi and he said it’s halakhic to bring as long as registered, concealed licensed and trained

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811181&forum_id=2:#49515667)



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Date: December 16th, 2025 11:17 PM
Author: Sapphire Electric Furnace Candlestick Maker

that's a fringe opinion. OU is the gold standard:

In an eruv – guns are not muktze, according to the majority of the authorities.

https://outorah.org/p/21842/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811181&forum_id=2:#49515705)



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Date: December 17th, 2025 5:27 AM
Author: Overrated lettuce sweet tailpipe

Yeah these are the same people who say you can't make ramen on Shabbat because it's "makeh bepatish." Anyone with an ounce of integrity understands that a gun is a weapon and that weapons are muktzah except where necessary for pikuach nefesh. The issue here is that it's fake pikuach nefesh.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811181&forum_id=2:#49515928)



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Date: December 17th, 2025 7:01 AM
Author: Sapphire Electric Furnace Candlestick Maker

state where you got semicha from before i engage you further

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811181&forum_id=2:#49515958)



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Date: December 17th, 2025 12:06 PM
Author: Overrated lettuce sweet tailpipe

Yeshiva Aish Someach. My supervising rabbi was Rabbi Dr. Middos.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811181&forum_id=2:#49516569)



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Date: December 17th, 2025 12:46 PM
Author: Misunderstood Station



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811181&forum_id=2:#49516693)



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Date: December 17th, 2025 12:47 PM
Author: Sapphire Electric Furnace Candlestick Maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811181&forum_id=2:#49516697)



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Date: December 16th, 2025 11:13 PM
Author: azure irradiated locus

how do they get home?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811181&forum_id=2:#49515699)



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Date: December 16th, 2025 11:20 PM
Author: Sapphire Electric Furnace Candlestick Maker

they still live in walking distance.

they drive to shul friday right before shabbos, park overnight, walk home friday night, walk to/from shul sat morning, walk back sat night for evening prayers, and then drive home.

people who do this are some combo: 1) fat / lazy, 2) have longer walks, 3) running late friday afternoon, 4) shitty weather, 5) bringing stuff to shul friday afternoon like food

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811181&forum_id=2:#49515708)



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Date: December 17th, 2025 9:41 AM
Author: azure irradiated locus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811181&forum_id=2:#49516177)



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Date: December 16th, 2025 9:25 PM
Author: Hyperventilating cream whorehouse factory reset button

presumably you couldnt fire the gun though?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811181&forum_id=2:#49515525)



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Date: December 16th, 2025 9:30 PM
Author: Sapphire Electric Furnace Candlestick Maker

correct. you cant shoot targets in your backyard on shabbos. but you obv can shoot to protect lives, as you're allowed to break shabbos to save lives.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811181&forum_id=2:#49515537)



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Date: December 16th, 2025 11:13 PM
Author: fantasy-prone principal's office

Surely juris DOCTORS can work on Sabbath then

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811181&forum_id=2:#49515697)



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Date: December 16th, 2025 11:28 PM
Author: Sapphire Electric Furnace Candlestick Maker

ofs. international lawyers can file habeas corpus writs -- the literal translation of habeas corpus is "you have the body," and the talmud talks about this being a matter of life or death. rabbi akiva coins the term majesty of the law. malchut d'mishpat.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811181&forum_id=2:#49515722)



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Date: December 16th, 2025 11:40 PM
Author: chestnut property scourge upon the earth

How was malchut d'mishpat not taken as a moniker?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811181&forum_id=2:#49515731)



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Date: December 16th, 2025 11:42 PM
Author: Sapphire Electric Furnace Candlestick Maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811181&forum_id=2:#49515735)



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Date: December 17th, 2025 12:46 PM
Author: Misunderstood Station



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811181&forum_id=2:#49516689)



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Date: December 16th, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: navy native

i love scholarship

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811181&forum_id=2:#49515767)



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Date: December 17th, 2025 9:25 AM
Author: up-to-no-good pontificating trump supporter

genuinely in awe here, you people are so good at this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811181&forum_id=2:#49516135)



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Date: December 17th, 2025 11:10 AM
Author: Sapphire Electric Furnace Candlestick Maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811181&forum_id=2:#49516412)



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Date: December 17th, 2025 12:02 PM
Author: navy native



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811181&forum_id=2:#49516560)



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Date: December 17th, 2025 12:43 PM
Author: Misunderstood Station



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811181&forum_id=2:#49516683)



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Date: December 17th, 2025 12:43 PM
Author: Misunderstood Station



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811181&forum_id=2:#49516681)



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Date: December 17th, 2025 12:48 PM
Author: Overrated lettuce sweet tailpipe

There's no such phrase and it sounds like the broken hebramaic of a second tier nineteenth century shtetl dayan.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811181&forum_id=2:#49516698)



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Date: December 16th, 2025 11:45 PM
Author: scarlet beta people who are hurt

is that the sound a jew makes when it curses a christian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811181&forum_id=2:#49515738)