nevertheless, box has repeatedly threatened and harassed posters with the prospect of outing them. but box has actually -EMAILED POSTERS AT THEIR WORK- threatening to out them. how fucking psycho can a person be and how did this not get her banned in the first place?

and even though she claims she didn't actually cause or contribute to CP's outing (she did) her long and idiotic screed openly acknowledges that she threatened to out him multiple times because he had hurt her feelings/teased her.

rach, put her down. kick her off this bort now. she is toxic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1979062&forum_id=2Ã#20954826)

she sounds like she was being careful not to say anything specific. i really don't see how she should have known that info would out him.

i do think she was crossing the line by threatening to out him, even if she supposedly thought she would be doing a service for "the greater good." i agree that she probably felt less threatened than she says she did, and more just disliked the guy and used outing as a threat to scare him away. but considering she didn't even know who he was at the time, and made a point not to out him when she did, i think she was being a bitch but not breaking any "xo code" or whatever.

didn't she have his pics? if she had said "if you don't leave me alone i'll post your pics," that would have been ban-worthy (and dooberstein repeatedly saying shit like that is why HE should have been banned months ago)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1979062&forum_id=2Ã#20954896)

i think her "i would out him for the greater good" thing was bullshit, because i don't think she actually felt that threatened. so if she had outed him under that pretense, she would have been totally blameworthy. but i don't think she ever really intended to out him, as evidenced by the thread linked above (even after she knew who he was, she refused to say anything specific).

i also don't think that threatening to out someone is ok, in general, even if you don't intend to do it. but i think that saying "leave me alone or i'll out you if it turns out you're a serial killer" is well within the bounds of acceptability.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1979062&forum_id=2Ã#20954982)

The point is this: she made a plausible threat to out someone for no other reason than to silence that person who she felt was being mean to her online (her stuff about feeling "threatened" is unarticulated and total garbage). That's enough. You can't use threats of outing to win xo pissing contests. Fuck her. She should be gone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1979062&forum_id=2Ã#20954978)

I'm not saying cp is a good guy; I have not followed this issue up until box exploded it. All signs suggest hes a jerk and a creep. But that doesn't justify outing someone or threatening them with being outed. Even if her implausible claim that she had nothing to do with him actually bring outed was true, I think telling someone that they better stop doing something (in this case making mean,but non outing posts about box) or else your going to out their IRL name and try to fuck up their life should get you tossed from the board. I've yet to hear anyone give an intelligent reason why it should be otherwise.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1979062&forum_id=2Ã#20954960)

^ itt she apologizes for thinking it was within her rights as a poster to consider taking the matter into her own hands

big fucking deal. find a real monster to pick on, like doobs or the cp-name-spammer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1979062&forum_id=2Ã#20954876)

boobs were cool though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1979062&forum_id=2Ã#20954887)

if you look at the xo thread from october, people were posting info about him (including some of his college paper columns). much of it has been edited out, but he was clearly outed.

someone posted in a past thread that "pointing out a new doobs moniker" doesn't count as outing. i think that is a good analogy to what happened.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1979062&forum_id=2Ã#20955082)

CP visited Doobs's LinkedIn account while logged in as himself. LinkedIn logs this info and tells Doobs that [CP's realname] visited his LinkedIn account.

You know how people freak out about "IP traps" on XO in some ridiculous chicken little fashion (as if knowing Bel's IP address is in a NYC location is anything to worry about)?

Well this was a real trap lain by Doobs in, tbf, a pretty fuckin devious and smart way.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1979062&forum_id=2Ã#20955210)

I started a thread saying, hey go check out that douche Doobs's linkedin. I have privacy settings up high so Doobs can't see that I visited him. but other people aren't as smart. it was my fucking fault.

But it's Doobs's fault that he then (a) published the information on XO to boast to him that he knew who he was as a threat, (b) googled his information to email it to him, and (c) text both bel and box the information.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1979062&forum_id=2Ã#20955275)

From what I've heard he really does reach a new level of creepy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1979062&forum_id=2Ã#20954990)

my point is that irrespective of whatever her contribution may have been, she used threats of outing against a poster who was clearly outable (given that she or someone else did out him to the whole board soon after) because that she was pissed he was saying mean stuff about her (or something). how is that ok? how is that consistent with how shit is supposed to be on this board at all?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1979062&forum_id=2Ã#20955014)

also I would be shocked if rach makes that guy a mod, he has issues.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1979062&forum_id=2Ã#20955026)

i think that you have to demonstrate to rach that you have a serious personality disorder to even be considered for moderator status.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1979062&forum_id=2Ã#20955057)

it's hard for me to judge whether what she posted was specific enough to constitute outing, because i already knew who he was (from the october thread) and as soon as she posted what she did, i knew others who had seen the october thread (it was huge at the time: http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1777695&mc=424&forum_id=2) would be able to put the pieces together. but i am inclined to agree with her that she didn't post anything overly specific and that it was HIS carelessness (outing himself on the board in the first place) that led to his identity being discovered.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1979062&forum_id=2Ã#20955054)

I was here in October. I don't remember that shit at all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1979062&forum_id=2Ã#20955258)

fwiw i don't think anyone on the internet is a real physical threat, man

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1979062&forum_id=2Ã#20955067)

as i said below, the details she posted were not outing by any reasonable definition of "outing".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1979062&forum_id=2Ã#20955475)

am i just naive, or does she sound uncharacteristically rational and mature in this conversation? she's making it clear that she's not going to out him without good reason. from what people said i thought it would be more like "STFU OR ILL FUCKING OUT YOU!!!!!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1979062&forum_id=2Ã#20955367)

tell me what exactly she said itt that constitutes outing: http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1977636&mc=60&forum_id=5

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1979062&forum_id=2Ã#20955403)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1979062&forum_id=2Ã#20955550)

she didn't know about the blog until AFTER the threat. at the time of the threat all she knew was that he had an irl reputation for being a stalker. as soon as she saw the blog post, she realized that outing would not be appropriate and told him as much.

you can also see her committal to not outing him itt (the thread in which his identity ended up being discovered): http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1977636&mc=60&forum_id=5 ("Not going to say more than the vague stuff above re his creepy past", "Hell no, that's totally outing")

frankly, i don't think she's smart enough to intentionally out someone while coming across like she's earnest about not outing him. nor do i think that negligence on her part outed him (which would also be banworthy: a lack of discretionary ability regarding people's personal info. see doobs, who should have been banned months ago for being too fucking stupid to tell what information is ok to repeat [hint: basically none of it].) the reason her info led to his identity was because (unknown to her) he had outed himself in october as, well, exactly what she said: a known misogynist reviled by everyone at his school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1979062&forum_id=2Ã#20955603)

She's a legit societal harm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1979062&forum_id=2Ã#20955280)

box said that all she knew from doobs/bel was that he was a creepy guy who was known irl for stalking a girl, and that his "obsessive" (lol bluesmoke strategy there) posting about her sex life and body scared her in light of that information.

honestly, if it were anyone but box, i'd believe it. but she is a rationalization masterwoman, so i just assume she's bsing.

again, though, i don't think it breaks any xo code to say, "i will out you if i figure out who you are and it turns out you're a psychotic stalker who poses a real threat to people on this board." i think it's inappropriate for anyone but rach to do something like this, and even she admitted later that she should not have threatened to take matters into her own hands, but i don't think she poses a threat to the board for her misguided attempt to scare a guy away by outing him on the condition that he was a psychotic stalker. in general, she seems very respectful of posters' anonymity, as evidenced by her lengthy crusades against doobs's behavior (assuming she really was BMC). even the lh thing, while wildly inappropriate, did not demonstrate a tendency toward public outing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1979062&forum_id=2Ã#20955191)

wtf are the requirements for a being a mod on this board?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1979062&forum_id=2Ã#20955063)

let this be a lesson to all yall.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1979062&forum_id=2Ã#20955096)