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Anyone else have daughters in cheerleading? Most expensive "sport" imaginable

what goes on at "cheer camp" that makes this shit ...
Bill Nye the Forced Bi Guy
  06/02/26
Probably a lot of sweet treats and carbs and pillows for the...
an idea whose time has come
  06/02/26
Almost entirely driven by (((private equity))) turning the s...
Richard Ames
  06/02/26
go on. we could use some scholarship
...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
  06/02/26
fucking infuriating. string these people up. happening in ba...
(*)>
  06/02/26
The AI overview provided by the next poaster is pretty good....
Richard Ames
  06/02/26
180 great poast
an idea whose time has come
  06/02/26
this is a 180 poast. i've been saying this shit for years. t...
(*)>
  06/02/26
The craziest part is how unimpressive most of them are. Sure...
Richard Ames
  06/02/26
agreed. their just glorified accounting majors in a lot of w...
(*)>
  06/02/26
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Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle
  06/02/26
how is "private equity" different from other "...
Kenneth (Pope) Play
  06/02/26
Small businesses used to *sponsor* local youth sports teams,...
...,...,,.::..;,.,:,:,,..,::.,:,.,.:.:.,:.
  06/02/26
Because the nature of PE is to extract maximum value within ...
Richard Ames
  06/02/26
Agree with you in the narrow sense that it's sad when a priv...
Kenneth (Pope) Play
  06/02/26
Allen Edmonds is a great example. In a lot of ways, what wou...
Richard Ames
  06/03/26
180 scholarship. maybe we should talk about these cheerle...
...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
  06/02/26
https://www.tiktok.com/@chastitynolan/video/7517423821847055...
Bill Nye the Forced Bi Guy
  06/02/26
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...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
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.,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,.
  06/02/26
$1800 would cover one dancer with 4-5 dances at a single com...
gibberish (?)
  06/02/26
yeah, man. those knee braces every girl wears are expensive
my dog can log into xo more often than I can
  06/02/26
Seems like the stupidest thing to put your kid in. It's expe...
Popeshchenko
  06/02/26
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Nippon Professional Baseball
  06/02/26
what if your daughter is really hot though
an idea whose time has come
  06/02/26
my ex got a cheerleading scholarship to UF, which is pretty ...
Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle
  06/03/26
this thread is wild wtf. i had no idea they were gouging che...
Debunked antisemitic trope
  06/03/26
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Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle
  06/03/26
Wait till you see what they've done to hockey. Google 'Black...
Richard Ames
  06/03/26
This whole situation reminds me of the state of gaming.
cowgod
  06/03/26


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Date: June 2nd, 2026 3:57 PM
Author: Bill Nye the Forced Bi Guy

what goes on at "cheer camp" that makes this shit cost $1800?are they eating wagyu steak every meal?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870638&forum_id=2Ã#49911395)



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Date: June 2nd, 2026 4:11 PM
Author: an idea whose time has come

Probably a lot of sweet treats and carbs and pillows for the pillow fights

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870638&forum_id=2Ã#49911422)



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Date: June 2nd, 2026 6:22 PM
Author: Richard Ames

Almost entirely driven by (((private equity))) turning the sport into a monopoly to extract fees from families.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870638&forum_id=2Ã#49911647)



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Date: June 2nd, 2026 6:24 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


go on. we could use some scholarship

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870638&forum_id=2Ã#49911650)



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Date: June 2nd, 2026 6:25 PM
Author: (*)> (i'm in your city)

fucking infuriating. string these people up. happening in baseball, lacrosse, soccer, hockey, pretty much every sport that has parents that has a pay to play culture

AI Overview

Private equity (PE) firms have aggressively consolidated the cheerleading industry, turning youth sports into a highly profitable corporate ecosystem. The most prominent player, Varsity Brands, was acquired by global investment firm KKR for \(\$4.75\) billion. This institutional takeover has fundamentally altered the sport's landscape, generating major controversies and financial burdens for participating families.

How the Corporate Takeover Works

The PE strategy in cheerleading involves serial acquisitions to control multiple levels of the supply chain, squeezing profits from a dedicated, inelastic market.

Event and Venue Monopoly: Corporate platforms own the vast majority of regional and national cheer competitions. If a team wants to compete, they often have no choice but to use PE-owned event producers.

Mandatory Uniforms: PE-backed companies dictate the apparel and spirit wear that teams are required to purchase, often requiring exclusive, yearly updates.

Vertical Integration: Dominant companies write the rules of the sport by effectively controlling the board seats of governing bodies, while simultaneously operating exclusive streaming platforms like Varsity TV to broadcast the events.

Impact on Families and Athletes

The financialization of competitive cheerleading has made it one of the most expensive youth sports in the United States.

Skyrocketing Costs: Families can easily spend between \(\$5,000\) and \(\$25,000\) per year per athlete once you account for competition entry fees, camps, mandatory private coaching, and apparel.

"Stay to Play" Policies: Tournaments frequently force out-of-town families to book rooms exclusively at approved, corporate-partnered hotels, often at inflated rates.

Paywalls: Parents are charged steep admission and streaming fees just to watch their children perform at PE-run venues.

Legal and Legislative Pushback

The consolidation and monopolistic business practices of PE-backed cheer companies have sparked pushback on several fronts.

Antitrust Lawsuits: Varsity Brands has faced and settled multiple antitrust class-action lawsuits, paying millions in damages to both competing gyms and parents who alleged anti-competitive behavior and overcharging.

Federal Legislation: The escalating costs and corporate control of youth sports—including PE investments in platforms like Varsity Brands—have caught the attention of U.S. lawmakers, driving the introduction of the Let Kids Play Act. This proposed federal legislation targets junk fees, "stay to play" travel mandates, and exploitative practices in the youth sports industry.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870638&forum_id=2Ã#49911653)



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Date: June 2nd, 2026 6:53 PM
Author: Richard Ames

The AI overview provided by the next poaster is pretty good. You can also read Matt Stoller's publication on Substack (I believe it's called BIG) where he's covered this in great detail.

The long-and-short of it is that they buy up every part of the cheerleading ecosystem (jerseys, gear, events, media apparatus, etc.) and then force families to participate in every part of their ecosystem. If you don't participate in every part of the ecosystem they've created, you basically can't do cheerleading on any real level. You are basically BARRED from participating on a structural level.

The craziest part is that the shit these people do in cheerleading and other youth sports doesn't even pretend to add value. It's a pure extraction / rent seeking play. Literal parasitism.

It's like someone sees a basketball league at the local YMCA and thinks "this is inefficient, I should organize this instead of the YMCA and then raise prices. And I should force people to buy jerseys from my company or else they can't play." Whereas a normal person thinks "this sounds like fun, I want to play."

I think the PE firm that backed Varsity Brands got a large fine, but it's like who cares if you're the PE partner on the deal? You already got your bonus check and created "value" for yourself using other people's money. Who cares what the fallout is? That's some other sucker's problem (and your problem if your kid does cheer.)

PE has done this across basically the entire economy. They are responsible for inflation in a major way, but the average person can't see it or understand it.

When air travel suddenly costs 50% more than it did five years ago...some of that is due to all the money printing and what not. But there is a hidden PE tax that exists as well. PE firms buy up all the airplane component manufacturers and the aircraft repair businesses and start jacking up prices.

For instance, PE firms love companies that manufacture some key component that is essential, but is only a small part of the overall cost of a structure. i.e.) a lugnut that goes on every engine casing. Maybe the lugnut is only 1% of the overall cost of the engine casing. So they double or triple the price and now it's maybe 2.5% of the total cost. No value added at all, it's just that the prior owner (entrepreneur or family) wasn't fussed enough to do a "pricing analysis" every year because they had a good business and actual relationships with the people they sold to. So they didn't raise prices and built a great business that people liked working with. So good, in fact, that a PE firm wanted to buy it from them.

And while it doesn't sound like doubling the cost of some lugnut is a huge deal...the issue is cumulative. PE has done this across every part of the airplane. And more broadly, across every part of the economy. So everything costs more despite not actually improving in line with cost increases.

Very, very sick stuff. It's like a really lame and gay version of the Mafia.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870638&forum_id=2Ã#49911723)



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Date: June 2nd, 2026 6:55 PM
Author: an idea whose time has come

180 great poast

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870638&forum_id=2Ã#49911731)



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Date: June 2nd, 2026 7:02 PM
Author: (*)> (i'm in your city)

this is a 180 poast. i've been saying this shit for years. they're ruining the entire fucking world

i haven't been a violent person since my 20's but this makes me want to go outside a kick the shit out of some PE dork. they're crawling around everywhere in their dumb fucking patagonia vests

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870638&forum_id=2Ã#49911744)



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Date: June 2nd, 2026 7:12 PM
Author: Richard Ames

The craziest part is how unimpressive most of them are. Sure many went to good schools, but their more talented peers are doing much more interesting things with their lives.

In better news, I think the gravy train is slowly coming to an end. It's really just another UMC profession now, with most of the juice already squeezed. Higher interest rates coupled with the mass proliferation of PE firms over the last 10+ years will be the (practical) death of the industry.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870638&forum_id=2Ã#49911757)



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Date: June 2nd, 2026 7:39 PM
Author: (*)> (i'm in your city)

agreed. their just glorified accounting majors in a lot of ways. yes the analysis they do and the models they build are complex, but the basic skillset at the lower and middle levels is no different than a top bucket financial due diligence associate at Big 4.

agreed on the gravy train ending due to higher interest rates. their exit opportunities are also drying up faster than millenial women. they're now forced to innovate, improve operations, etc. you know, things someone who actually cared about the business would do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870638&forum_id=2Ã#49911809)



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Date: June 2nd, 2026 7:13 PM
Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle (🇺🇸 🇵🇱)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870638&forum_id=2Ã#49911761)



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Date: June 2nd, 2026 7:10 PM
Author: Kenneth (Pope) Play (emotional girth)

how is "private equity" different from other "business"? ok yes in your story there is the good-hearted chill lugnut dude who keeps prices the same. but i think the nature of business is to raise prices as much as you can. usually that doesn't work because if you raise too high you'll have competition

edit: this cheerleading stuff does sound dystopian and like rent extraction. certain markets are natural monopolies and don't have multiple competitors due to network effects

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870638&forum_id=2Ã#49911753)



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Date: June 2nd, 2026 7:20 PM
Author: ...,...,,.::..;,.,:,:,,..,::.,:,.,.:.:.,:.


Small businesses used to *sponsor* local youth sports teams, not extract rents from them through leveraged buyouts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870638&forum_id=2Ã#49911773)



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Date: June 2nd, 2026 7:24 PM
Author: Richard Ames

Because the nature of PE is to extract maximum value within a relatively short time horizon, not to make a good profit within the context of a long timeframe (a family-owned business) or the context of having your own money at risk.

Sure, anyone can raise prices. But it's much, much, much easier to raise prices when you are a PE investor who bought the business with someone else's money, already paid yourself a bonus, and won't have to deal with the fallout of your approach because you will have exited the business 3.5 years later.

I read you say "but i think the nature of business is to raise prices as much as you can" and I just shake my head.

It's sort of like when a PE firm (or company) talks about the 80/20 rule. e.g.) 80% of your profits come from 20% of your products. So they do an analysis of their sales by product and then they eliminate a huge number of products that weren't generating any meaningful profit for them. Maybe they were low margin and low volume. At first this turns out great, profits are up, you can utilize the plant better. But over time you realize "oh wait we did that short run low margin product for those two customers because they would then bring us their higher margin, higher volume work. They saw value in that low margin, low volume product. Now they've dropped us for someone else."

It's this sort of short-term MAXIMIZE EVERYTHING thinking that has ruinous effects in the long run. And it's basically been going on in every facet of the economy since 2009. And this correlates directly with the MASSIVE growth in the number of PE investors since that time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870638&forum_id=2Ã#49911778)



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Date: June 2nd, 2026 10:27 PM
Author: Kenneth (Pope) Play (emotional girth)

Agree with you in the narrow sense that it's sad when a private equity investor tries to cut quality and raise prices, in an attempt to reap maximum profits in the short term by trading off historic goodwill towards a brand, while hoping that the consume won't notice what's going on until the brand is viewed as shit. to some extent, this is what's happening at allen edmonds shoes, unfortunately. but the thing that ultimately stops this is the brand suffering reputational harm, and thus the exit price not being great, if they've truly screwed the consumer.

and hey who knows, maybe all of their "hip casual" lines and other ancillary money streams and genuinely good profitable ideas that people want - i don't want them - but maybe somebody does. and so while it makes me sad about a brand that i like that used to be better, it doesn't make me think "someone should forbid this use of private equity." but yeah it does make me sad to think of a time when a brand meant something and people truly were thinking long-term. and the time value of money being what it is hey maybe it's more valuable to earn a dollar today, destroy the brand, and just reinvent it in the future as desired.

another one that worries me a lot is steinway instruments. formerly kkr owned, now paulson owned. no idea how the quality on the new pianos is - but my guess is they found some corners to cut, right? otoh maybe they realize how valuable the brand is if they do things right.

i really do things with network effects like cheerleading (where you control the whole ecosystem, and can forbid people from getting to compete in national cheerleading competitions if they don't join your pay-leagues or buy your crazy marked up uniforms) is one of the most egregious, abusive examples.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870638&forum_id=2Ã#49912132)



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Date: June 3rd, 2026 9:56 AM
Author: Richard Ames

Allen Edmonds is a great example. In a lot of ways, what would be beneficial is more alternative buyers to PE. I don't mean "sell to a strategic", rather other forms of investment vehicles that aren't as tied to a contractually defined near-term exit strategy. This is starting to crop up (long-term hold vehicles).

What made Allen Edmonds special was the craftsmanship and high quality that was honed over decades (as you well know). I'm sure the PE frauds could say "well, it was declining because of consumer trends and fewer people wearing dress shoes to an office." But it's like, who cares? If it's a privately-held company, there isn't this NEED to scale the business further. And if a privately-held company wants to experiment for growth, it can do so by funding efforts with cash flow, not through leverage.

But when you layer on tons of debt, all the sudden this lack of growth (or even shrinking of the topline) IS a problem. But it is entirely a self-made problem! "Omg we're shrinking and won't be able to use our constricted cash flow to pay down our debt!" So now you have Allen Edmonds making knockoffs of Adidas Stan Smiths to try and expand, except why would you buy such a sneaker from Allen Edmonds? This is what happens when fucking nerds financialize an otherwise great business.

And when you go onto Allen Edmonds website, it's now all black people. It's actually hysterical. I just loaded the website and there is some video playing of a black man handling and trying on some casual loafers. "Burgers?" This is basically every company now because these PE frauds think they'll save a few bps on their term loan if they have enough mystery meat people on their portco websites.

I have come to think of PE investors as PowerPoint Communists. They all do the same processes and the same due diligence and the same strategies. And their work seems to be making things worse, not better. It's like the old Soviet Bureau system, except we're told this is "the free market."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870638&forum_id=2Ã#49912614)



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Date: June 2nd, 2026 7:13 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


180 scholarship.

maybe we should talk about these cheerleading outfits now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870638&forum_id=2Ã#49911758)



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Date: June 2nd, 2026 7:25 PM
Author: Bill Nye the Forced Bi Guy

https://www.tiktok.com/@chastitynolan/video/7517423821847055630

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870638&forum_id=2Ã#49911780)



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Date: June 2nd, 2026 8:00 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,




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Date: June 2nd, 2026 7:16 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,.




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Date: June 2nd, 2026 6:38 PM
Author: gibberish (?)

$1800 would cover one dancer with 4-5 dances at a single competitive dance comp. That's just fees.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870638&forum_id=2Ã#49911679)



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Date: June 2nd, 2026 7:16 PM
Author: my dog can log into xo more often than I can (thanks, Rach!)

yeah, man. those knee braces every girl wears are expensive

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870638&forum_id=2Ã#49911768)



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Date: June 2nd, 2026 10:03 PM
Author: Popeshchenko

Seems like the stupidest thing to put your kid in. It's expensive, there's significant injury risk, it sexualizes them, and any long-term benefit is exceptionally tiny. Vanishingly few college scholarships, etc.

Might as well put them in pageants.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870638&forum_id=2Ã#49912107)



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Date: June 2nd, 2026 10:10 PM
Author: Nippon Professional Baseball



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Date: June 2nd, 2026 10:34 PM
Author: an idea whose time has come

what if your daughter is really hot though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870638&forum_id=2Ã#49912145)



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Date: June 3rd, 2026 10:32 AM
Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle (🇺🇸 🇵🇱)

my ex got a cheerleading scholarship to UF, which is pretty cool

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870638&forum_id=2Ã#49912660)



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Date: June 3rd, 2026 10:12 AM
Author: Debunked antisemitic trope

this thread is wild wtf. i had no idea they were gouging cheerleader families. this "sport" has got to be the cheapest one available. what are the costs to even extrasct except the stay to play nad uniforms jfc. compare to hockey where there is gear and ice to maintain. you cna literally practice cheerleading in an open meadow.

i had kind of been under the impression that the PE market would become saturated at some point but they just keep finding new ways to gouge

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870638&forum_id=2Ã#49912637)



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Date: June 3rd, 2026 10:31 AM
Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle (🇺🇸 🇵🇱)

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870638&forum_id=2Ã#49912658)



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Date: June 3rd, 2026 10:46 AM
Author: Richard Ames

Wait till you see what they've done to hockey. Google 'Black Bear Sports Group'. The "founder" is a guy whose last name is actually Gunty and his background was in real estate investing. His "big idea" was that ice rinks are underutilized, so they could be bought cheap and then monetized (by owning the whole youth hockey ecosystem.)

I think a lot of what these people do is simply look at things that are cheap and community organized (in a legitimate way) and think to themselves "how can I own that, raise prices, and sue anyone who tries to go around me?"

It's totally insane when you consider what youth sports should be and has been historically. And why people typically look back at little league fondly. All of that is being ruined in real time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870638&forum_id=2Ã#49912679)



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Date: June 3rd, 2026 10:45 AM
Author: cowgod

This whole situation reminds me of the state of gaming.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870638&forum_id=2Ã#49912676)