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Josh Hammer did the Revelation of the Method re: killing Charlie Kirk
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Date: October 11th, 2025 10:58 AM Author: hairraiser fishy elastic band plaza https://radbodslament.substack.com/p/the-public-execution-of-charlie-kirk
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Date: October 11th, 2025 11:19 AM Author: hairraiser fishy elastic band plaza I have not heard of this Josh Hammer character before reading Laurent Guyénot’s below post, but Hammer - who was in Charlie Kirk’s inner circle, apparently serving as one of his handlers from above - retweeted a 2013 Trump tweet about “public execution” only a couple hours before Kirk’s assassination, and then wrote it again only a couple hours after his assassination. See Guyenot’s post about this.
Looking at Hammer’s Wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Hammer), he has many features I actively dislike: fake conservative (where the only thing he cares about “conserving” is Israel’s domination over America), married to a Cohen, manages Newsweek, obsessed with promoting Jewish interests, economist major (they think way too narrowly and left-brain empirically, pea-brains), lawyer. Also his last name “Hammer” suggests aggressive action, and he has a really sinister physiognomy.
It seems pretty likely that he was doing Revelation of the Method here (https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Revelation_of_the_method) where he was bragging about his involvement. |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 12:17 PM Author: cheese-eating kitchen kitty cat The public execution thing was re: that ukrainian woman getting stabbed on a bus by a jig lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49341824) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 12:19 PM Author: hairraiser fishy elastic band plaza guyenot discusses this if you read his post - hammer defends himself with that argument, but it is not possible for him to have that motivation when he posted it again three hours *after* kirk's death. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49341828) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 12:27 PM Author: Purple Candlestick Maker Home It is "possible." What it is not is credible. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49341850) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 12:29 PM Author: hairraiser fishy elastic band plaza fair (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49341859) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 11:38 AM Author: Yapping resort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49341772) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 12:22 PM Author: arousing antidepressant drug wow. this is quite a theory. But plz explain the shooter not putting out a statement through his lawyer that he’s just a patsy, was elsewhere when shooting happened, etc. Also why did the shooter’s dad turn him in? Is he a Mossad agent too? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49341832) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 12:29 PM Author: hairraiser fishy elastic band plaza We know the official story is nonsense - from Cashapp Paypal saying a 30-06 was used to kill Kirk (false), to the timeline alleging the shooter dissembled and reassembled the rifle in the woods (false) - given the official narrative has no credibility, "the shooter's dad turned him in" can't be believed either (and is also contradicted by another official narrative that the tranny furry boyfriend turned him in).
We'll see what happens with the guy in custody if he even makes it alive to trial.
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Date: October 11th, 2025 12:33 PM Author: Purple Candlestick Maker Home Tinfoil hat theory: The shooter believed he was doing what he is a accused of doing, and was "radicalized" to do it by people who were not discord troons and gamers.
Here is where I'm forced to think this may well be (and likely is) a genuine conspiracy, as crazy as it may fucking be. Whatever hit Kirk in the throat was not a 30.06 round from 200 yards. If you dispute that, show me any evidence whatsoever that there was an exit wound on the back of Kirk's neck. |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 12:40 PM Author: arousing antidepressant drug if you’re positioned in front of someone and you hit them in the side of the neck then there is no “exit wound.” It just removes a big chunk of flesh from the side of the neck and they pour out like a tapped beer keg. By contrast, he had gotten hit in the CENTER of his throat from that angle THEN there’d be an exit wound. This isn’t rocket surgery brej. It’s simple geometry. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49341888) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 12:46 PM Author: iridescent low-t theater So a chunk of flesh got blown off the side of Kirk's neck? Can you poast a video of this occurring? Because the video I and everyone else saw documents a hole opening up and blood pouring out, some distance from the side of his neck. I sincerely invite you to poast video evidence of what you are arguing here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49341901) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 12:51 PM Author: arousing antidepressant drug Sure:
https://x.com/ubersoy1/status/1965852333608484944?s=46 |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 1:00 PM Author: iridescent low-t theater Perfect. To the right of the wound -- our right-- you can see about two inches of white. That is a hole opening up just off-center of his throat. That is not "a chunk of flesh being ripped off." There is also no blood splatter whatsoever on the white wall of the canopy behind him nor any indication whatsoever of the projectile impacting it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49341933) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 1:03 PM Author: hairraiser fishy elastic band plaza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49341940) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 1:53 PM Author: arousing antidepressant drug How does that support your conspiracy theory that it was Mossad? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49342057) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 12:46 PM Author: Brindle flatulent police squad the bullet bounced off his body armor so it lost a lot of velocity
idk why people keep repeating this "exit wound" talking point. it's one of those things where one guy says it and then everyone else repeats it without thinking about it. you can just watch the clip and see that the bullet clearly bounces off the top of his body armor |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 12:48 PM Author: iridescent low-t theater For this to even be remotely possible, he would need to be wearing plate armor. He was not. In fact, his nipples were actually showing through his t-shirt. Please poast a link to this hypothetical ultra-thin next-gen body armor. Also, please poast a screen shot documenting the impact point on his shirt from the high-velocity rifle round. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49341906) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 12:51 PM Author: Brindle flatulent police squad https://youtu.be/y6zPjo5Vogc?t=269
this video breaks it down pretty well
it's just weird that people keep repeating this. like you can just watch the clip yourself. you can see the spot where it hit his chest. it left a mark on his shirt. you can see his shirt bounce upward with the shape of the body armor behind it, after the impact of the bullet
everyone on twitter was talking about this the day that it happened. everyone immediately realized that the bullet bounced off his body armor. then days later, people started repeating this "no exit wound" forcememe out of nowhere, i guess because it seems like a "good" talking point if you never actually watched the clip of him getting shot |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 1:08 PM Author: iridescent low-t theater Charlie Kirk's nipples must be crazy hard to poke through titanium plate armor
https://x.com/TPOGKelly/status/1967707481964167352
Which was apparently glued onto him
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Date: October 11th, 2025 1:10 PM Author: hairraiser fishy elastic band plaza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49341948) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 1:14 PM Author: Brindle flatulent police squad https://i.imgur.com/FXwUPhv.jpeg
body armor doesn't necessarily extend over your nipples
just watch the clip of him actually being shot. play the clip frame by frame. you can see the effects of the impact of the bullet on his chest before the wound appears on his neck. there's no ambiguity at all. it's a video clip of the event happening
i dunno if he lied to his wife about not wearing a vest or what, who knows. but he's obviously wearing one based on the actual video evidence of the incident. and it explains everything else about the footage too (no exit wound, unusually large impact wound). and if you want to believe that "israel" shot him, him wearing a bulletproof vest doesn't preclude that also being true |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 1:32 PM Author: iridescent low-t theater You're right. You can clearly see an armor plate in all these photographs and videos from multiple angles documenting how it shows through the thin white t-shirt
https://x.com/1NationUnderJOG/status/1976686858294673617
https://x.com/Grunt2A/status/1970577516533313714
https://x.com/Grunt2A/status/1970577516533313714
https://x.com/ChipBarnes67/status/1968479662037667974
https://x.com/I_Am_JohnCullen/status/1967391328670511461
https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/1969718687029490022
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Date: October 11th, 2025 1:38 PM Author: Brindle flatulent police squad just watch the clip of him being shot. it's the direct evidence of the event occurring. none of this other stuff supersedes it. none of this other stuff explains him being impacted in the chest followed by a massive shrapnel wound on his neck
i don't even understand what "no exit wound" has anything to do with "conspiracy theories" about the assassination. he could have been (and was, clearly) wearing a bulletproof vest and there still could have been a broader conspiracy behind his assassination beyond what we're being told
the point i was originally trying to make above is that the "no exit wound" talking point is one of those weird things that one person says and then a bunch of people start repeating it as supporting evidence for a pet theory of theirs when there's no connection between the two at all, and they're just repeating it because it "sounds good" |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 1:42 PM Author: Swashbuckling turquoise business firm You’ve got to be the worst Lawyer ever lmao. Gtfo of here and accept that you Lost the argument and are just spreading nonsense.
Btw the “no exit wound” people are saying that 1. the wound we saw was the exit wound and he was shot from his right rear or 2. Magical Israel assassination using something besides a bullet |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 1:53 PM Author: hairraiser fishy elastic band plaza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49342060) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 1:44 PM Author: iridescent low-t theater The only way the "no exit wound" "talking point" can be discounted is by ignorance of what a 30.06 round is, how it performs, and what it does. It is a monstrously powerful round that would leave more damage than what we see, even if it were to ricochet off of this phantom armor plate. And that's exactly what it is -- a phantom object. The clearest photographs and videos of Kirk that day (i.e. the best visual evidence) do not provide any indication whatsoever it existed, and demonstrate the exact opposite. Further, Kirk's wife, eyewitnesses, and then Utah County Sheriff's office have all said he was not wearing armor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49342040) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 1:50 PM Author: Brindle flatulent police squad that isn't how bullets work. the bullet wound in his neck is way larger than what would be left by a 30.06 round. the wound is LARGER than what we would expect, not smaller
go watch some youtube videos about ballistics, they'll all tell you the same thing |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 1:54 PM Author: iridescent low-t theater I have watched endless hours of "YouTube ballistics" videos. I have also hunted large animals with high-powered rifles, which I own and shoot routinely, including .06s. I am very, very familiar with both the type of weapon and this specific round. And I agree -- what hit Kirk was not a 30.06 round. I don't know what it was, but he was not shot from a couple hundred yards with a 30.06. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49342061) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 2:02 PM Author: Brindle flatulent police squad i agree with you on that. there would obviously be an exit wound if that was the case. which is why it seems pretty clear to me based on the ***actual video evidence of the bullet hitting him*** that the bullet hit his body armor and what hit him in the neck was shrapnel
to be clear, i don't even disagree that the official story we're being told could be incomplete or bogus. i was the first person on this board to say after this event that it seemed like a professional assassination (before they caught the perp). i just don't think that the talk about the lack of an exit wound has anything to do with this at all. it's a logic disconnect |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 9:15 PM Author: Disturbing Unholy Garrison Lol it is far from clear. The video you posted has been digitally manipulated to show something visible in no photographs the other poaster linked. The pics are conclusive Kirk was not wearing armor. If he wasn't wearing armor, the ricochet theory is horseshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49342731) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 2:37 PM Author: Swashbuckling turquoise business firm I posited on another thread that it could’ve just been reloaded cartridges with less powder in them. Lots of Scumbags do this. They sell 30-06 rounds on the shelf btw which are meant for the M1 Garand and its weaker 1940s metallurgy. But I’m not Scumgineer enough to know how much of a difference this can make tbh. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49342135) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 12:48 PM Author: hairraiser fishy elastic band plaza You can see his nipples through his shirt, Erika Kirk also confirmed he wasn’t wearing body armor, and a 30-06 (cashapp PayPal confirmed round) would not bounce off body armor anyway. Next talking point? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49341908) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 1:44 PM Author: kink-friendly opaque fortuitous meteor if he was he wasn't wearing plates very visibly so if it wasn't a handgun round it didn't matter i've seen a lot of talk about it being something placed on or under the table that did it. also there's vids of the cops and security around him synchronizing their watches about five minutes before and all nodding to each other over it it was an inside job and trump and his people are all mafia style crooks |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 12:48 PM Author: domesticated headpube factory reset button Lol youre giving that moron too much credit. Hes just an average dope. There are very few educated people publicly willing to take extreme right positions so it isn’t hard to get recognized and build a career out of it, but he just isn’t that smart or connected. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49341907) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 12:51 PM Author: hairraiser fishy elastic band plaza He literally runs Newsweek, he’s connected and was one of Kirk’s handlers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49341917) |
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Date: October 12th, 2025 1:03 AM Author: domesticated headpube factory reset button Yea again not that hard. Newsweek was worth zero. Bought out for pennies and being worn like a skin suit but nobody treats newsweek as a real publication. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49343057) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 1:46 PM Author: kink-friendly opaque fortuitous meteor (Hammer) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49342041) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 2:41 PM Author: Flushed mischievous temple No one's even mentioned the Zinn decoy yet (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49342143) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 2:43 PM Author: stirring associate 🙄 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49342144) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 2:43 PM Author: Swashbuckling turquoise business firm Good link OP. I have to wonder about the conspiracy angle though. Seems like if it were Jews, they’d be doing this stuff constantly and with impunity. There’s one of these every so often. Why not like one a week? If they dgaf about goyim and slaughter them like cattle when it’s convenient why not kill their 5000 other prominent critics? Why not do another 9/11 and blame Iran so the US obliterates them? I have no explanation for this. Unless they really care about their craft and only want to do the assassinations or false flags when there’s zero loose ends which is hard to do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49342146) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 2:44 PM Author: hairraiser fishy elastic band plaza because they want rising anti-semitism which is necessary for the ingathering of the exiles per biblical prophecy - but they want it done at their own pace, not accelerated too much. see here:
https://neofeudalreview.substack.com/p/which-will-prevail-the-egalitarian |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 3:56 PM Author: Swashbuckling turquoise business firm Wow, just wow. This is Huge. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49342246) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 2:45 PM Author: Flushed mischievous temple Well they typically just pay them off. Charlie couldn't be bought though, he was a good one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49342148) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 2:46 PM Author: hairraiser fishy elastic band plaza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49342150) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 7:53 PM Author: Swashbuckling turquoise business firm Why don’t they kill Destiny or some other annoying shitlibs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49342591) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 9:51 PM Author: mind-boggling stage What they fear is conservative anti-semitism. Lib anti-Semitism has some usefulness to them (like providing a way to rally conservatives to their side). But the conservative version could be an existential threat. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49342793) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 10:01 PM Author: Swashbuckling turquoise business firm I thought "young conservatives" had been saying fuck kikes on the internet for 20 years tbh. Their only stronghold is the boomer/evangelical cohort. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49342816) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 10:05 PM Author: mind-boggling stage The Boomers are the ones in office. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49342824) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 10:06 PM Author: Swashbuckling turquoise business firm yeah but it's only a matter of time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49342827) |
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Date: October 12th, 2025 8:22 AM Author: coiffed pit Norm Finkelstein said Destiny is paid by Mossad/Israel and he’s pretty sure Alex Friedman is too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49343212) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 3:09 PM Author: lavender swollen rehab only one second shooter theory in the history of second shooter theories has ever been true: sirhan sirhan shooting wildly into the crowd under hypnosis while someone else sneaks up and point-blank executes RFK. in that case there was LOTS of evidence that something didn't add up (from the coroner report among other things).
to pull it off with kirk would require insanely tighter coordination than that and you'd be able to see that they weren't letting anyone else examine the body or other irregularities. too many moving parts in both the execution and the coverup. occam's razor says shrapnel theory is true. |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 3:57 PM Author: Swashbuckling turquoise business firm What "shrapnel theory" ffs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49342249) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 7:53 PM Author: Swashbuckling turquoise business firm I don’t know why OP is getting downvoted…. What a Joke (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49342593) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 9:10 PM Author: Swashbuckling turquoise business firm Btw imo, conspiracy theorists have gotten away from actually Theorizing about Conspiracies in recent years, because they've grown weary of getting called crackpots who just make shit up. Instead they just point out inconsistencies and are like, "explain this to me, champ." No one is going to explain shit to you. The FBI, even if it's incompetent and not compromised, just wants to Close the Case as quickly as fucking possible.
But for the "Jewish assassin" version of events to make sense we would need the following -
Tyler takes a shot and someone else takes a shot simultaneously with whatever killed Kirk
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Tyler doesn't take a shot, but there was a guy on the roof and it was probably Tyler and the Jewish Assassin killed kirk ingeniously SECONDS before Tyler took the shot. Tyler then shrugs and runs away.
I mean wtf are we even talking about? Go ahead and actually Theorize the Conspiracy. No one is going to do it for you. The FBI just doesn't want people to think that it's possible to get away with something like this. They would lock up a ham sandwich if they could do it within 24 hours of the crime. |
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Date: October 12th, 2025 7:27 AM Author: Indecent charcoal library (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49343177) |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 10:19 PM Author: arousing antidepressant drug Day of shooting: “LIBS WHY’D YOU DO THIS?!” 😠
When it turns out the shooter was a white MAGA Republican with a tranny GF: “IT WAS ISRAEL!” 😡 |
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Date: October 11th, 2025 10:27 PM Author: Disturbing Unholy Garrison Link to him being MAGA? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49342864) |
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Date: October 12th, 2025 1:16 AM Author: Swashbuckling turquoise business firm It’s just a thing libs say to be annoying since they lie constantly anyway and dgaf. Since some of them tell themselves it’s true. No downside to repeating it bc they dgaf if they look retarded. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49343063) |
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Date: October 12th, 2025 9:35 AM Author: rambunctious tank wrinkle (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49343267) |
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Date: October 12th, 2025 11:19 AM Author: hairraiser fishy elastic band plaza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49343497) |
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Date: October 12th, 2025 11:27 AM Author: arousing antidepressant drug all Republicans are NAGA now. The ones who aren’t are Dems (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49343522) |
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Date: October 12th, 2025 1:57 AM Author: Titillating becky Can this be a coincidence? Hammer was in the group chat when Charlie disowned pro-Israel donors.
Hammer “was there the whole time” (his words) during the Hamptons meeting. On the day before Kirk’s public execution, Hammer retweeted approvingly a 12-year-old tweet by Trump mentioning “public execution for all to see.” Three hours after Kirk’s death, he again cryptically tweeted “public execution”. |
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Date: October 12th, 2025 8:08 AM Author: Swashbuckling turquoise business firm And Charlie Kirk trusted this guy because he loved Jews (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49343202) |
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Date: October 12th, 2025 2:01 PM Author: Titillating becky Kirk didn't trust him. Kirk was told by his donors to regularly talk with Hammer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49343935) |
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Date: October 12th, 2025 10:10 AM Author: hairraiser fishy elastic band plaza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49343328) |
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Date: October 12th, 2025 2:03 PM Author: Titillating becky Any context that can better explain this? Because it is extremely fishy. If Jewish power can murder people at will and the FBI is powerless to investigate then we absolutely are doomed. What's going to happen to Massie and Tucker? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49343944) |
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Date: October 12th, 2025 2:09 PM Author: Brindle flatulent police squad hopefully The Jews murder massie asap that would be 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49343965) |
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Date: October 12th, 2025 3:15 PM Author: Titillating becky Why would you say that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49344164) |
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Date: October 12th, 2025 7:16 PM Author: Brindle flatulent police squad That guy totally sucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49344746) |
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Date: October 12th, 2025 2:05 PM Author: Titillating becky Charles if you are out there, you gotta do what you can to try to save evidence if something is going on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49343947) |
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Date: October 12th, 2025 7:28 PM Author: Swashbuckling turquoise business firm Whistleblowers get offed constantly and no one ever investigates it. Go ahead, ask Virginia guiffre (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49344780) |
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Date: October 12th, 2025 6:53 PM Author: hairraiser fishy elastic band plaza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5785363&forum_id=2Ã#49344691) |