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Orson Scott Card: Mentor, Friend, Bigot (Wired)

BY RACHEL EDIDIN10.31.139:30 AM Im not going to see Ender...
slimy azn pocket flask
  10/31/13
http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2004-02-15-1.html &...
slimy azn pocket flask
  10/31/13
where has he advocated VIOLENCE? this person sounds like ...
vibrant adulterous sex offender roast beef
  10/31/13
The novel has received negative criticism for violence and i...
ebony erotic therapy
  10/31/13
wait, wut?
vibrant adulterous sex offender roast beef
  10/31/13
schmear campaign
slimy azn pocket flask
  10/31/13
thats a new one. extrapolating the motivations in a pure ...
vibrant adulterous sex offender roast beef
  10/31/13
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Spaceship autoadmit
  09/13/25
Some people take this passage from a column he wrote in the ...
Embarrassed to the bone up-to-no-good multi-billionaire senate
  10/31/13
sure, if you are self-selecting asshole with no sense of per...
vibrant adulterous sex offender roast beef
  10/31/13
I'm not agreeing with that interpretation. Just giving you t...
Embarrassed to the bone up-to-no-good multi-billionaire senate
  10/31/13
mormons are usually so chill, despite their decidedly unchil...
vibrant adulterous sex offender roast beef
  10/31/13
I agree. Most Mormons I've known have been good dudes, dudet...
Embarrassed to the bone up-to-no-good multi-billionaire senate
  10/31/13
The guy has been UNHINGED for years, people are just startin...
Embarrassed to the bone up-to-no-good multi-billionaire senate
  10/31/13
yeah sounds like alex jones level retardation but how can yo...
slimy azn pocket flask
  10/31/13
i thought it was awesome when i found out card hates faggots...
Titillating coldplay fan people who are hurt
  10/31/13
Isn't his book required reading for Eagle Scout conservahero...
slimy azn pocket flask
  10/31/13
(clitdick geek)
Titillating coldplay fan people who are hurt
  10/31/13
i would hoist him on my shoulders and call myself a Card Car...
vibrant adulterous sex offender roast beef
  10/31/13
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slimy azn pocket flask
  10/31/13
A+
mind-boggling school cafeteria circlehead
  10/31/13
"Enders Game was one of my first and most precious pap...
spectacular crawly mexican property
  10/31/13
What's up with these people? They always find a way to twist...
slimy azn pocket flask
  10/31/13
"Enders Game was one of my first and most precious pap...
ocher church
  10/31/13
Harsh but fair opinion.
racy cobalt stag film police squad
  10/31/13
Demosthenes unhinged
mind-boggling school cafeteria circlehead
  10/31/13
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Gaped Nubile Heaven
  10/31/13
Orson Scott Card inscription: "Enjoy the book, faggot&q...
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slimy azn pocket flask
  10/31/13
LOL at this shallow bitch. Orson Scott Card goes out of his ...
racy cobalt stag film police squad
  10/31/13
this was my thought, too. maybe he didn't know about he...
Diverse electric furnace
  10/31/13
Try reading his weekly newspaper column.
Embarrassed to the bone up-to-no-good multi-billionaire senate
  10/31/13
so you can't separate his work (which most people believe to...
Diverse electric furnace
  10/31/13
Non sequitur much? You said you haven't read anything in his...
Embarrassed to the bone up-to-no-good multi-billionaire senate
  10/31/13
So what? I can appreciate art without indulging the artist's...
slimy azn pocket flask
  10/31/13
How is it a witch hunt? It's not like he's going to cave und...
Embarrassed to the bone up-to-no-good multi-billionaire senate
  10/31/13
i said i was specifically referring to his sci-fi work, not ...
Diverse electric furnace
  10/31/13
No you didn't say that. You referred to his "work"...
Embarrassed to the bone up-to-no-good multi-billionaire senate
  10/31/13
you seem a bit unhinged yourself bud
buck-toothed motley national
  10/31/13
i assume this means you've conceded my actual argument (sinc...
Diverse electric furnace
  10/31/13
I'm not conceding anything. You stated yourself that you hav...
Embarrassed to the bone up-to-no-good multi-billionaire senate
  10/31/13
lol. you're done here. you've had multiple chances to poin...
Diverse electric furnace
  10/31/13
What the fuck are you talking about? I didn't point you to &...
Embarrassed to the bone up-to-no-good multi-billionaire senate
  10/31/13
jfc, you're an idiot.
Diverse electric furnace
  10/31/13
Enjoy blissful ignorance, brother.
Embarrassed to the bone up-to-no-good multi-billionaire senate
  10/31/13
*hates Orson Scott Card's books, listening to Thriller on ip...
Marvelous honey-headed degenerate house
  10/31/13
Actually, it's surprisingly consistent.
Embarrassed to the bone up-to-no-good multi-billionaire senate
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Spaceship autoadmit
  09/14/25
wonder if she boycotts all Mormon owned businesses
slate knife home
  10/31/13
did she self identify as "GIFTED" god, libs. WH...
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Date: October 31st, 2013 10:04 AM
Author: slimy azn pocket flask

BY RACHEL EDIDIN10.31.139:30 AM

Im not going to see Enders Game. This is not a revelation. Im queer. My opinion of Orson Scott Cards politics and his flimsy rationalizations is on record. I dont buy books he writes. I dont watch the movies based on them.

But Ive still got a paperback on my shelf battered and worn in the way beloved books get, spine floppy, corners bent. On the title page, in faded blue ballpoint pen, its inscribed: To Rachel a friend of Ender.

Its not wrong. It would be easier if it were.

The first time I read Enders Game, I was eight.

Enders Game was one of my first and most precious paper mirrors. I was a gifted and severely socially alienated little kid, and authors who can write really, freakishly brilliant children are extremely rare. Enders Game was an inestimably important touchstone the first and sometimes only sign I had that there was someone out there who even vaguely got it and cared enough to try to write it down.

This isnt an uncommon experience, I think. But its not the end; theres another part of the story that comes later, the part I dont usually mention.

As a college student, I corresponded extensively with Orson Scott Card. For several years, I considered him a mentor and a friend. He was incredibly generous with his time and advice, and supportive of me as an aspiring fiction writer. Ive had dinner at his home.

I was out during that time. I was also largely unaware of the extremity of Cards politics. His political reputation was much quieter back then most of his internet presence was concentrated around a network of online writing workshop and critique groups and his op-eds were published in circles I never stumbled into. The only time his beliefs came up in our conversations was a comment he made about fiction being a totally inappropriate venue for any kind of ideological proselytizing. I may not have agreed with his personal beliefs I knew that he was an observant Mormon and at least somewhat politically conservative but I respected and still respect the principle of not using fiction as a soap box, even if the author who introduced it to me has since forgotten or abandoned it.

The truth, of course, is that Card had been avidly homophobic since long before I knew him. That at the same time we were talking about character development and the shapes of stories, he was railing against marriage rights for same-sex couples and insisting homosexuality was a byproduct of child abuse. Whether the rampaging extremism hes exploded into is a product of a significant change in perspective or just less tact and a larger platform, Ill never know: We fell out of touch long before, for which Im cowardly grateful.

Cards hate has come to color my experience of his fiction as, I think, it should. Neither fiction nor its creators exist in a vacuum; nor is the choice to consume art or support an artist morally neutral. Orson Scott Card is monstrously homophobic; hes racist; he advocates violence and lobbies against fundamental human rights and equates criticism of those stances with his own hate speech.

I would never, ever suggest that a student seek out his advice. I will not pay to see Enders Game; I will never buy another copy. But theres that battered, beloved old paperback still sitting on my shelf, and I cant and dont want to erase what its meant to me. Whoever I am, wherever Ive come from, as a writer and a human being, Enders Game was part of that. And so was Card.

But I dont want to walk away without stopping to mourn for what was worth mourning.

In February, Alyssa Rosenberg wrote an excellent and nuanced examination of the paradox of Enders Game, and the tricky negotiation of consuming valuable works by reprehensible artists. In the 1930s and 1940s, George Orwell produced article after article trying to navigate the treacherous intersections of literature with the personal and political. But even now, theres no map. It is unconscionable to keep supporting Card; to buy his books; to afford him any further platform. But if we all walk away and keep walking, someday a kid is going to reach for the touchstone that I clung to and come up empty.

Once, early in our correspondence, Card and I talked about villains. I dont remember the exact words, but Cards advice stuck with me: to find something worth loving in every antagonist. Its the lesson that made Speaker for the Dead my partners favorite book in the Ender series: that no one is all good or all bad; that most of us live the lives we think we have to.

If this were fiction, there would be a clear answer. Real life is messier, the stakes higher. Complex and painful problems arent always offset by elegant solutions. Sometimes, theres no right answer. Sometimes every choice means letting go of something valuable the question isnt whether, but what.

These days, its easier for me to think of them as two separate people the Card I knew, whose books I loved; and the increasingly unbalanced and extremist pundit whose worldview scarcely counts me as a person. But thats reductionist, and a disservice to both. Card is a monster who helped me learn to write; an author of hateful screed whose novels taught lonely, angry kids compassion and gave them their first sense of home. None of those things makes the others go away. None of those things makes the others stop mattering.

I am not Ender. The enemys gate is not down. And some battles cant be won.

http://www.wired.com/underwire/2013/10/enders-game/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24340813)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 10:15 AM
Author: slimy azn pocket flask

http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2004-02-15-1.html

"But the rule must be largely observed, and must be seen to be observed even more than it actually is. If trust between the sexes breaks down, then males who are able will revert to the broadcast strategy of reproduction, while females will begin to compete for males who already have female mates. It is a reproductive free-for-all.

Civilization requires the suppression of natural impulses that would break down the social order. Civilization thrives only when most members can be persuaded to behave unnaturally, and when those who don't follow the rules are censured in a meaningful way.

Why would men submit to rules that deprive them of the chance to satisfy their natural desire to mate with every attractive female?

Why would women submit to rules that keep them from trying to mate with the strongest (richest, most physically imposing, etc.) male, just because he already has a wife?"

Sage.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24340866)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 10:53 AM
Author: vibrant adulterous sex offender roast beef

where has he advocated VIOLENCE?

this person sounds like a bitch

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341005)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 10:59 AM
Author: ebony erotic therapy

The novel has received negative criticism for violence and its justification. Elaine Radford's review, "Ender and Hitler: Sympathy for the Superman", posits that Ender Wiggin is an intentional reference by Card to Adolf Hitler and criticizes the violence in the novel, particularly at the hands of the protagonist.[2] Card responded to Radford's criticisms in Fantasy Review, the same publication. Radford's criticisms are echoed in John Kessel's essay "Creating the Innocent Killer: Ender's Game, Intention, and Morality", wherein Kessel states: "Ender gets to strike out at his enemies and still remain morally clean. Nothing is his fault."[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ender's_Game#Critical_response

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341041)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 11:03 AM
Author: vibrant adulterous sex offender roast beef

wait, wut?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341061)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 11:06 AM
Author: slimy azn pocket flask

schmear campaign

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341077)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 11:07 AM
Author: vibrant adulterous sex offender roast beef

thats a new one.

extrapolating the motivations in a pure fictitious narrative to the innate desires and objectives of the author.

is that what is happening here?

if so libs are not only done but disingenuous hacks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341083)



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Date: September 13th, 2025 11:54 PM
Author: Spaceship autoadmit



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Date: October 31st, 2013 11:07 AM
Author: Embarrassed to the bone up-to-no-good multi-billionaire senate

Some people take this passage from a column he wrote in the Mormon Times as a call to violent resistance of the gay agenda:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700245157/State-job-is-not-to-redefine-marriage.html?pg=all

How long before married people answer the dictators thus: Regardless of law, marriage has only one definition, and any government that attempts to change it is my mortal enemy. I will act to destroy that government and bring it down, so it can be replaced with a government that will respect and support marriage, and help me raise my children in a society where they will expect to marry in their turn

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341080)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 11:08 AM
Author: vibrant adulterous sex offender roast beef

sure, if you are self-selecting asshole with no sense of perspective or nuance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341084)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 11:10 AM
Author: Embarrassed to the bone up-to-no-good multi-billionaire senate

I'm not agreeing with that interpretation. Just giving you the source material for where the claim comes from.

He's a legitimately UNHINGED asshole and there's plenty of shit to criticize him for without misinterpreting that passage.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341090)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 11:11 AM
Author: vibrant adulterous sex offender roast beef

mormons are usually so chill, despite their decidedly unchill spiritual beliefs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341103)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 11:12 AM
Author: Embarrassed to the bone up-to-no-good multi-billionaire senate

I agree. Most Mormons I've known have been good dudes, dudettes. Card's not one of them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341106)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 11:09 AM
Author: Embarrassed to the bone up-to-no-good multi-billionaire senate

The guy has been UNHINGED for years, people are just starting to pay attention because of the movie finally being made.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/08/14/orson_scott_card_worries_about_obama_turning_urban_gangs_into_his_personal.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341087)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 11:12 AM
Author: slimy azn pocket flask

yeah sounds like alex jones level retardation but how can you be so petty? i hate these "the personal is the political" idiots. it's not like he's your priest or leader, the dude is a freaking sci-fi writer. it's ok to read things by people who aren't exactly like you.

plus it's hard to buy that it's real moral outrage and not disingenuous nonsense when libs all go out to see the latest woody allen flick.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341109)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 11:11 AM
Author: Titillating coldplay fan people who are hurt

i thought it was awesome when i found out card hates faggots and libs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341096)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 11:14 AM
Author: slimy azn pocket flask

Isn't his book required reading for Eagle Scout conservaheroes and the like? Thought it was pretty obviously a white male geek power fantasy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341117)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 11:28 AM
Author: Titillating coldplay fan people who are hurt

(clitdick geek)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341188)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 11:13 AM
Author: vibrant adulterous sex offender roast beef

i would hoist him on my shoulders and call myself a Card Carrying Member.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341112)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 11:14 AM
Author: slimy azn pocket flask



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Date: October 31st, 2013 11:25 AM
Author: mind-boggling school cafeteria circlehead

A+

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341176)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 11:22 AM
Author: spectacular crawly mexican property

"Enders Game was one of my first and most precious paper mirrors. I was a gifted and severely socially alienated little kid, and authors who can write really, freakishly brilliant children are extremely rare. Enders Game was an inestimably important touchstone the first and sometimes only sign I had that there was someone out there who even vaguely got it and cared enough to try to write it down."

Fucking lol

"Paper mirrors" + "really, freakishly brilliant children"

Yeah I'm sure you're a regular Einstein, Rachel. Suck your own clitdick a little more in this post why don't you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341164)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 11:46 AM
Author: slimy azn pocket flask

What's up with these people? They always find a way to twist everything into being ALL ABOUT ME.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341313)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 11:29 AM
Author: ocher church

"Enders Game was one of my first and most precious paper mirrors. I was a gifted and severely socially alienated little kid, and authors who can write really, freakishly brilliant children are extremely rare. Enders Game was an inestimably important touchstone the first and sometimes only sign I had that there was someone out there who even vaguely got it and cared enough to try to write it down."

This woman is unbearable and I hope she dies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341196)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 11:34 AM
Author: racy cobalt stag film police squad

Harsh but fair opinion.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341224)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 11:30 AM
Author: mind-boggling school cafeteria circlehead

Demosthenes unhinged

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341204)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 11:31 AM
Author: Gaped Nubile Heaven



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Date: October 31st, 2013 11:35 AM
Author: orange psychic business firm

Orson Scott Card inscription: "Enjoy the book, faggot"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341237)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 11:45 AM
Author: slimy azn pocket flask



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Date: October 31st, 2013 11:41 AM
Author: racy cobalt stag film police squad

LOL at this shallow bitch. Orson Scott Card goes out of his way to help someone who self-identifies as an individual who engages in a practice that conflicts with one of Card's fundamental moral premises, and then she calls him out for being intolerant.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341281)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 11:54 AM
Author: Diverse electric furnace

this was my thought, too.

maybe he didn't know about her sexual orientation or something...which would mean she was intentionally hiding it from him in order to get his help/advice.

i haven't seen anything in any of card's work (i've only read the first 3 ender books) that communicated any lib-offensive views...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341369)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 11:55 AM
Author: Embarrassed to the bone up-to-no-good multi-billionaire senate

Try reading his weekly newspaper column.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341377)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 11:57 AM
Author: Diverse electric furnace

so you can't separate his work (which most people believe to have at least some artistic merit) from his personal views?

i was obviously referring to his fiction, not to his op-eds.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341394)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 11:59 AM
Author: Embarrassed to the bone up-to-no-good multi-billionaire senate

Non sequitur much? You said you haven't read anything in his work that is lib-offensive and that you've only read the first three Enders Games books. I suggested you read his weekly newspaper column, which is a part of his "work." If you do that, you will clearly see the lib-offensive material.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341411)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 12:05 PM
Author: slimy azn pocket flask

So what? I can appreciate art without indulging the artist's politics. The whole thing stinks of a witch hunt.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341437)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 12:12 PM
Author: Embarrassed to the bone up-to-no-good multi-billionaire senate

How is it a witch hunt? It's not like he's going to cave under the pressure of a few libs not buying his shitty books (shitty with the exception of Enders Game). He's been unabashed about his views for 30+ years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341472)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 12:06 PM
Author: Diverse electric furnace

i said i was specifically referring to his sci-fi work, not his op-eds, which are necessarily opinion pieces.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341447)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 12:08 PM
Author: Embarrassed to the bone up-to-no-good multi-billionaire senate

No you didn't say that. You referred to his "work" and then made it clear you've only read three of his early Enders books. His "work" includes his extensive collections of essays and op-eds and if you read those you see exactly what you were missing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341457)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 12:10 PM
Author: buck-toothed motley national

you seem a bit unhinged yourself bud



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341465)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 12:11 PM
Author: Diverse electric furnace

i assume this means you've conceded my actual argument (since i am actively separating his opeds and fiction) and would now like to discuss my use of the word "work"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341471)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 12:13 PM
Author: Embarrassed to the bone up-to-no-good multi-billionaire senate

I'm not conceding anything. You stated yourself that you have a level of ignorance about his body of work in your first post. I pointed you in the direction that would help you see what you expressed not knowing about, and you proceeded to be a faggot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341475)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 12:14 PM
Author: Diverse electric furnace

lol. you're done here. you've had multiple chances to point to something other than an oped and you've failed miserably either due to poor reading comprehension or inability to find evidence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341482)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 12:15 PM
Author: Embarrassed to the bone up-to-no-good multi-billionaire senate

What the fuck are you talking about? I didn't point you to "an op-ed" I pointed you to his weekly column, which has been running for more than 20 years.

Once again, you show complete ignorance of his body of work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341492)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 12:17 PM
Author: Diverse electric furnace

jfc, you're an idiot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341498)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 12:17 PM
Author: Embarrassed to the bone up-to-no-good multi-billionaire senate

Enjoy blissful ignorance, brother.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341503)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 11:48 AM
Author: Marvelous honey-headed degenerate house

*hates Orson Scott Card's books, listening to Thriller on iphone*

sees no problem with this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341324)



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Date: October 31st, 2013 11:50 AM
Author: Embarrassed to the bone up-to-no-good multi-billionaire senate

Actually, it's surprisingly consistent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24341348)



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Date: September 14th, 2025 12:53 PM
Author: Spaceship autoadmit



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Date: October 31st, 2013 11:59 AM
Author: slate knife home

wonder if she boycotts all Mormon owned businesses

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Date: October 31st, 2013 1:51 PM
Author: vibrant adulterous sex offender roast beef

did she self identify as "GIFTED"

god, libs. WHYYYYYY???

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2401404&forum_id=2в�â#24342089)



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Date: May 9th, 2014 4:06 PM
Author: coiffed hideous menage



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