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prole tell - not hitting ur 401k max?

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splenetic bossy spot
  09/11/25
401k beyond employer match is retarded.
flesh library partner
  09/11/25
Prole tell: not being able to benefit from the $23k tax dedu...
Chocolate locus legend
  09/11/25
that's $8.5k of federal tax saved right there
laughsome round eye cruise ship
  09/11/25
Not saved, deferred. But the taxes on dividends are also def...
crusty medicated plaza private investor
  09/11/25
It saves you from paying long term capital gains. That's the...
Iridescent roommate church
  09/11/25
401k withdrawals are taxed as ordinary income. That’s ...
crusty medicated plaza private investor
  09/11/25
I know you're a liberal artist but let's try to do some Math...
Iridescent roommate church
  09/11/25
I thought that you thought that there was No Tax Ever tbh.
crusty medicated plaza private investor
  09/11/25
Btw cap gains on after tax brokerage $ isn’t double ta...
crusty medicated plaza private investor
  09/11/25
They are in that gains are already lower by the percentage t...
pontificating house
  09/11/25
deferred is saved, champ. haven't you ever heard of discoun...
laughsome round eye cruise ship
  09/11/25
I majored in history
crusty medicated plaza private investor
  09/11/25
I was being hyperbolic. But it's a close call and down to on...
flesh library partner
  09/11/25
if ur only retirement investment is ur 401k ur prole
splenetic bossy spot
  09/11/25
Yeah. For the average random person, they should probabl...
flesh library partner
  09/11/25
wtf do i need more liquidity now for if my 401k is a tiny pi...
laughsome round eye cruise ship
  09/11/25
Better or more diversified investments than what's available...
flesh library partner
  09/11/25
you're talking about $13k available to invest
laughsome round eye cruise ship
  09/11/25
Brother if you make enough to where you're investing like th...
learning disabled diverse box office
  09/12/25
This is a great list ty But deferred taxation is a huge dra...
Racy dopamine
  09/11/25
The ignores a few important points. Your 401(k) money is de...
learning disabled diverse box office
  09/12/25
You've convinced me. I was largely just rationalizing my...
flesh library partner
  09/12/25
employer matches 6% and i make $400k+ so why wouldn't i cont...
splenetic bossy spot
  09/11/25
Most employer matches are up to a limit -- eg. 6% of salary ...
flesh library partner
  09/11/25
Most but not all The total 401k limit for 2025 is 70K, wh...
galvanic senate puppy
  09/11/25
Mfcr
flesh library partner
  09/11/25
no cap fr fr
mustard razzle azn
  09/11/25
Major
Chocolate locus legend
  09/11/25
u r jewish btw
angry hyperactive whorehouse
  09/11/25
I just hit mine today too brother
federal vigorous mood hall
  09/11/25
The bigger prole tell is thinking that investing 5% a year i...
snowy titillating stain french chef
  09/11/25
The biggest cost is nursing homes if you hang around long en...
Iridescent roommate church
  09/11/25
huge prole tell is if 23k affects your QOL such that you nee...
Chocolate locus legend
  09/11/25
it's not even an extra $23k. it's more like an extra $13k o...
laughsome round eye cruise ship
  09/11/25
ofs
Chocolate locus legend
  09/11/25
just save $200 for an exit bag at the end, thats my plan
costumed digit ratio
  09/11/25
Middle income tell: thinking "maxing out ur 401k" ...
Aphrodisiac yellow brunch
  09/11/25
Maxing Roth 401k is cr. When I make equity I’m going t...
vibrant tank
  09/11/25
That's dumb. It means you pay the full 40% tax. Even if your...
big seedy useless brakes internal respiration
  09/12/25
i'm gonna have like $20 mil in traditional 401k funds. my wi...
vibrant tank
  09/12/25
It doesn't matter for me since I only started a real job in ...
big seedy useless brakes internal respiration
  09/12/25


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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:44 PM
Author: splenetic bossy spot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49257382)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:44 PM
Author: flesh library partner

401k beyond employer match is retarded.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49257388)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:46 PM
Author: Chocolate locus legend

Prole tell: not being able to benefit from the $23k tax deduction

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49257398)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:47 PM
Author: laughsome round eye cruise ship

that's $8.5k of federal tax saved right there

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49257405)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:52 PM
Author: crusty medicated plaza private investor

Not saved, deferred. But the taxes on dividends are also deferred and they Vest tax-free. The guy who just buys SPY in Robin Hood instead of of his 401k is probably dumb.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49257422)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:53 PM
Author: Iridescent roommate church

It saves you from paying long term capital gains. That's the main point of a 401k. Otherwise you get double taxed (income tax going in, cap gains going out)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49257426)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:54 PM
Author: crusty medicated plaza private investor

401k withdrawals are taxed as ordinary income. That’s a con, not a pro.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49257431)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:55 PM
Author: Iridescent roommate church

I know you're a liberal artist but let's try to do some Math here ok champ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49257438)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:57 PM
Author: crusty medicated plaza private investor

I thought that you thought that there was No Tax Ever tbh.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49257448)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:59 PM
Author: crusty medicated plaza private investor

Btw cap gains on after tax brokerage $ isn’t double taxation imo bc principal isn’t taxed.Discuss .

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49257456)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: pontificating house

They are in that gains are already lower by the percentage the original principal was taxed. So if returns were 10% with no tax, you could make $100, invest it for $10 return. With all income taxed 20%, you pay $20 on the $100, invest $80 for $8 return, which is already 20% less return than you had with no tax, and then pay another $1.60 in tax on the $8, leaving you with $6.40, being 36% less return compared to no tax even with only a 20% rate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49258437)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:16 PM
Author: laughsome round eye cruise ship

deferred is saved, champ. haven't you ever heard of discount rates

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49257551)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 8:56 PM
Author: crusty medicated plaza private investor

I majored in history

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49257995)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:51 PM
Author: flesh library partner

I was being hyperbolic. But it's a close call and down to one's specific situation:

1. Liquidity & Flexibility

401(k) funds are locked up until age 59½ (barring exceptions like hardship withdrawals, loans, or penalties).

Taxable brokerage accounts or other vehicles give you instant access to your money for opportunities (business, real estate, unexpected expenses).

Greater flexibility allows you to adjust investment strategies over time without restrictions on timing or withdrawals.

2. Tax Diversification

401(k) contributions defer taxes, but all withdrawals are taxed as ordinary income—potentially at higher rates in retirement.

Non-qualified accounts (regular brokerage) get capital gains treatment (often 0%, 15%, or 20%) instead of income tax rates (which may be 22–37%).

Building both pre-tax and after-tax investment pools gives you more control over your tax bill in retirement.

3. Investment Options & Costs

401(k) plans often have limited menus of mutual funds with potentially high expense ratios.

A taxable brokerage account gives access to the full universe of ETFs, stocks, bonds, REITs, etc., often with much lower costs.

Better options = potentially higher after-fee returns over decades.

4. RMDs & Tax Burden in Retirement

Traditional 401(k)s require Required Minimum Distributions (RMDs) starting at age 73.

This can force large taxable withdrawals you may not need, pushing you into higher brackets.

Taxable accounts have no forced distributions—you control what you sell and when.

5. Estate Planning & Step-Up in Basis

401(k)/IRA assets passed to heirs are fully taxable as ordinary income when withdrawn.

Taxable brokerage assets generally get a step-up in basis at death, erasing capital gains and making them more inheritance-friendly.

6. Capital Loss Harvesting

In taxable accounts, you can harvest capital losses to offset gains or up to $3,000 of ordinary income annually.

This is not possible inside a 401(k).

7. Changing Tax Landscape

Today’s tax brackets are historically low. If rates rise, being “all-in” on deferred taxes via 401(k) could be risky.

Having outside investments diversifies against future tax law risk.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49257421)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:55 PM
Author: splenetic bossy spot

if ur only retirement investment is ur 401k ur prole

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49257437)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:59 PM
Author: flesh library partner

Yeah.

For the average random person, they should probably 401k max.

But if your 401k is just going to be something like 10% of your assets at retirement (even assuming you max it), you're fairly likley to be in the category of people where you may be better off having the liquidity now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49257461)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:17 PM
Author: laughsome round eye cruise ship

wtf do i need more liquidity now for if my 401k is a tiny pink share of my assets

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49257560)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 9:18 PM
Author: flesh library partner

Better or more diversified investments than what's available in 401k.

For example, real estate, private credit funds, PE/VC funds, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49258071)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 9:20 PM
Author: laughsome round eye cruise ship

you're talking about $13k available to invest

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49258082)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 9:49 AM
Author: learning disabled diverse box office

Brother if you make enough to where you're investing like this, the 24k in a 401(k) probably isn't going to make a big difference in what you can invest in a taxable account, and is probably getting taxed at the highest marginal rate which makes the tax deferral even more important. This is not a compelling argument

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49259418)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: Racy dopamine

This is a great list ty

But deferred taxation is a huge draw as is lack of capital gains tax.

I think advisors tend to overlook the list above to a great detriment of investors but maybe the ultimate purpose is to get people to save something

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49257647)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 9:46 AM
Author: learning disabled diverse box office

The ignores a few important points. Your 401(k) money is deferred at the marginal rate but taxed on withdrawal at the effective rate. That's a huge bonus for those who don't expect significant taxable income in retirement.

In addition, if you have Roth IRAs, you can diversify the tax uncertainty issue. Some people are lucky to have Roth 401(k)s that make the tax diversification even easier.

I appreciate the chat GPT slop you posted but it's really not a close call at all. You should always be preferring 401(k) over a taxable account unless the liquidity issue is a big problem for you (which should only really matter at lower income levels or when you're starting out in your career)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49259406)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 2:22 PM
Author: flesh library partner

You've convinced me.

I was largely just rationalizing my choice to only do 401k up to employer match --

which is, in reality, just because when I buy my next home I will not be selling my current home, and will not be selling my crypto, and I want to keep $200k+ liquid following the purchase-- so I'm currently still stacking the ~$625,000 for the expected 20% nonpayment.

Once I get up to ~$825k liquid (excluding crypto), I'll start maxing our 401k again.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49260680)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:47 PM
Author: splenetic bossy spot

employer matches 6% and i make $400k+ so why wouldn't i contribute to the limit?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49257406)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:53 PM
Author: flesh library partner

Most employer matches are up to a limit -- eg. 6% of salary up to $100k.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49257424)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 9:12 PM
Author: galvanic senate puppy

Most but not all

The total 401k limit for 2025 is 70K, which includes a max employee contribution of 23.5. So your employer can match up to 46.5K.

I get a 6% match with no cap. It's 180.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49258050)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 9:19 PM
Author: flesh library partner

Mfcr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49258076)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 9:50 PM
Author: mustard razzle azn

no cap fr fr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49258184)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:45 PM
Author: Chocolate locus legend

Major

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49257391)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:47 PM
Author: angry hyperactive whorehouse

u r jewish btw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49257403)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:49 PM
Author: federal vigorous mood hall

I just hit mine today too brother

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49257414)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:53 PM
Author: snowy titillating stain french chef

The bigger prole tell is thinking that investing 5% a year in the S&P500 for 40 years is going to cover your living and medical expenses in the last 2-3 decades of your life. You might as well spend that money now while you can actually enjoy it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49257428)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:57 PM
Author: Iridescent roommate church

The biggest cost is nursing homes if you hang around long enough to not be able to do shit. The first 15-20 years don't really have much in the way of expenses if your house is paid for, basically every retired prole lives solely off SSI

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49257450)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:00 PM
Author: Chocolate locus legend

huge prole tell is if 23k affects your QOL such that you need 23k now to live better.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49257464)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:21 PM
Author: laughsome round eye cruise ship

it's not even an extra $23k. it's more like an extra $13k or something after taxes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49257579)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 10:54 PM
Author: Chocolate locus legend

ofs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49258518)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:00 PM
Author: costumed digit ratio

just save $200 for an exit bag at the end, thats my plan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49257467)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:06 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac yellow brunch

Middle income tell: thinking "maxing out ur 401k" means ur not also saving millions and billions in taxable accounts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49257487)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 9:54 PM
Author: vibrant tank

Maxing Roth 401k is cr. When I make equity I’m going to put all 65k )or however much) a year in using the Roth option, assuming that’s possible under the firm’s plan.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49258199)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 9:52 AM
Author: big seedy useless brakes internal respiration

That's dumb. It means you pay the full 40% tax. Even if your tax bracket is the same in retirement you'll just end up paying the same if you convert it in retirement



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49259431)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 2:15 PM
Author: vibrant tank

i'm gonna have like $20 mil in traditional 401k funds. my wife still maxes out with the traditional option. last year, i started doing exclusively roth so we have a mix. given the above, we are going to have a lot of taxable income in retirement and need to offset with roth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49260650)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 9:50 AM
Author: big seedy useless brakes internal respiration

It doesn't matter for me since I only started a real job in middle age. I.e. even if my 401k ends up getting to 1-2mln and I end up taking it out at lower tax bracket(i.e. pay 30% tax on it instead of 40%) it's still a small amount compared to taxable brokerage account.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2в#49259420)