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Scorching Fifth Circuit dissent - link

https://x.com/jadler1969/status/1991251392816611498?s=20
stimulating haunting dingle berry pisswyrm
  11/19/25
heres the actual dissent which is a thousand times more 180 ...
aqua vibrant location french chef
  11/19/25
cr. very xo 2020's poasting twitter images of parts of decis...
Turquoise alcoholic codepig
  11/19/25
Is Jerry a woman? The first 5 pages are just about the write...
Lake Comical Twinkling Uncleanness
  11/19/25
honestly we need to pass legislation to limit judicial opini...
Odious dark center associate
  11/19/25
*your legislation has been struck down as a vialation separa...
Awkward rigor idiot
  11/20/25
i love it when I have an old school contract or real propert...
bearded rehab mad cow disease
  11/20/25
i got an A in fed courts, but can someone explain to me why ...
Turquoise alcoholic codepig
  11/19/25
3 judge panels are required by statute in certain Voting Rig...
stimulating haunting dingle berry pisswyrm
  11/19/25
ty. next q: how does an active non-sr COA judge end up a 3-j...
Turquoise alcoholic codepig
  11/19/25
The case goes to the original Dist. J. to whom it was assign...
violet contagious chapel
  11/19/25
woah. does any other suit get such procedure?
Turquoise alcoholic codepig
  11/19/25
Yes--Mostly but not entirely voting and elections related
violet contagious chapel
  11/19/25
This is still law bort
Soul-stirring space legend
  11/20/25
...
Nighttime jewess people who are hurt
  11/19/25
ty
Charcoal Senate Organic Girlfriend
  11/19/25
Comes off ysff, almost as bad as TSINAH
bistre mischievous patrolman
  11/19/25
Blistering!
Gaped Garrison
  11/19/25
"How dare they deny me the opportunity to offer my deep...
electric adulterous corn cake pit
  11/19/25
It contains tons of thoughtful legal analysis if you’d...
aqua vibrant location french chef
  11/19/25
Wait, it's a Trump judge the dissent reamed? https://afj....
stimulating haunting dingle berry pisswyrm
  11/19/25
holy shit wtf
Turquoise alcoholic codepig
  11/19/25
Not only a Trump appointee, but from a highly conservative s...
stimulating haunting dingle berry pisswyrm
  11/19/25
very good point. and it also looks like he hawaii judge'd th...
Turquoise alcoholic codepig
  11/19/25
He was on the Texas (Civil) SCOTUS for 6 years, so there wou...
violet contagious chapel
  11/19/25
Wow. George Soros.
Lake Comical Twinkling Uncleanness
  11/19/25
To be fair, 1. Extremely Boomerish dissent. There's no re...
Lascivious Pontificating Reading Party
  11/19/25
This is about as shocking a statement as you'll see in a &qu...
violet contagious chapel
  11/19/25
yep. he also says 20 times that the majesty of law is fraud ...
Turquoise alcoholic codepig
  11/19/25
This is in the same vein: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM...
violet contagious chapel
  11/19/25
wow, is this real
Turquoise alcoholic codepig
  11/19/25
180 autism As he stood in that room describing the handgu...
Rose Swashbuckling Degenerate Mental Disorder
  11/19/25
i'm reading the berzon concurrence trashing van dyke: htt...
Turquoise alcoholic codepig
  11/19/25
"If, however, there were a Nobel Prize for Fiction, Jud...
concupiscible scarlet address
  11/19/25
Wow. I'd love to meet Judge Smith's clerks. Or interview one...
Black Fantasy-prone Voyeur Yarmulke
  11/19/25
as everyone knows, he hires only 1Ls after one semester of g...
nofapping tripping sanctuary
  11/20/25
I read the first few pages. The complained-of conduct--at le...
violet contagious chapel
  11/19/25
I'm sure the opinion is shit but going absolutely BERSERK ov...
pearly sex offender
  11/19/25
lol this guy is 180 as shit fuck libs
Coral Cracking Hall Psychic
  11/19/25
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Gay aggressive tanning salon
  11/20/25
page 16: Second, the other factors, discussed below, are ex...
pearly sex offender
  11/19/25
...
Charcoal Senate Organic Girlfriend
  11/19/25
Fifth Circuit guru says majority op is solid: https://x.c...
stimulating haunting dingle berry pisswyrm
  11/19/25
thanks, raffi!
Jade Offensive Crackhouse
  11/20/25
Where are we at on this, reddit tranny?
.,.,.,.,.,...,.,,.,,.....,.,..,.,,...,.,.,,...,.
  11/22/25
This is THE DEFINITION of "yosemite sam fuming mad"...
Filthy business firm
  11/20/25
the image of this guy driving back from a funeral steaming m...
Turquoise alcoholic codepig
  11/20/25
This is the type of rage that had to have come in pulsing wa...
Filthy business firm
  11/21/25
https://files.catbox.moe/vf4g73.mp4
Nighttime jewess people who are hurt
  11/21/25
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/19/jeffrey-brown-texas...
stimulating haunting dingle berry pisswyrm
  11/20/25
the thing is blacks vote 95% dem, so you can never make a po...
Jade Offensive Crackhouse
  11/20/25
and its also absurd that the court would find an argument th...
aqua vibrant location french chef
  11/20/25
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  11/22/25
or without appearing to specifically favor blacks either.
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  11/22/25
Favoring blacks and jews is fine. Favoring whites is wrong. ...
3I/Atlas
  11/22/25
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UhOh
  11/22/25
i get your point and agree that that's what some people and ...
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  11/22/25
Not valid in practice. The only place where adjustments matt...
3I/Atlas
  11/22/25
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  11/22/25


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Date: November 19th, 2025 6:07 PM
Author: stimulating haunting dingle berry pisswyrm

https://x.com/jadler1969/status/1991251392816611498?s=20

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49444729)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 6:28 PM
Author: aqua vibrant location french chef

heres the actual dissent which is a thousand times more 180 than that shitty twitter link:

https://electionlawblog.org/wp-content/uploads/gov.uscourts.txwd_.1150387.1439.0.pdf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49444771)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 6:48 PM
Author: Turquoise alcoholic codepig

cr. very xo 2020's poasting twitter images of parts of decisions

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49444819)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 7:32 PM
Author: Lake Comical Twinkling Uncleanness

Is Jerry a woman? The first 5 pages are just about the writer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49444945)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 6:52 PM
Author: Odious dark center associate

honestly we need to pass legislation to limit judicial opinions to a few pages at most, letting these faggots go on and on is bad for everyone and produces nothing, absolutely nothing, of value

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49444826)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 6:25 AM
Author: Awkward rigor idiot

*your legislation has been struck down as a vialation separation of powers. The SCOTUS opinion is 6-2-1 and 800 cumulative pages.*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49445612)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 10:49 AM
Author: bearded rehab mad cow disease

i love it when I have an old school contract or real property research project and find these 3 or 4-page opinions from 1921.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49446199)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 6:54 PM
Author: Turquoise alcoholic codepig

i got an A in fed courts, but can someone explain to me why a USDJ is on a 3-judge district court panel with judge smith of the 5th cir?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49444830)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 7:05 PM
Author: stimulating haunting dingle berry pisswyrm

3 judge panels are required by statute in certain Voting Rights Act cases. Was enacted during the Jim Crow era to reduce the likelihood that some biased southern judge would disregard the law.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49444859)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 7:11 PM
Author: Turquoise alcoholic codepig

ty. next q: how does an active non-sr COA judge end up a 3-judge usdc panel?

does this mean he's disqualified from being in the pool to hear the case in the 5th cir? and disqualified from sitting en banc?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49444882)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 7:37 PM
Author: violet contagious chapel

The case goes to the original Dist. J. to whom it was assigned plus 2 judges designated by POTUS of the relevant COA, at least one of whom must be a COA judge.

I presume the COA judge would not be on the panel for the appeal. Maybe he could be sitting en banc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49444962)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 7:38 PM
Author: Turquoise alcoholic codepig

woah. does any other suit get such procedure?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49444967)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 7:43 PM
Author: violet contagious chapel

Yes--Mostly but not entirely voting and elections related

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49444978)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 2:03 AM
Author: Soul-stirring space legend

This is still law bort

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49445485)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 7:45 PM
Author: Nighttime jewess people who are hurt



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49444987)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 8:30 PM
Author: Charcoal Senate Organic Girlfriend

ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49445071)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 7:06 PM
Author: bistre mischievous patrolman

Comes off ysff, almost as bad as TSINAH

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49444870)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 7:13 PM
Author: Gaped Garrison

Blistering!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49444885)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 7:17 PM
Author: electric adulterous corn cake pit

"How dare they deny me the opportunity to offer my deep and thoughtful legal analysis!"

First sentence of dissent: "The main winners from Judge Brown's opinion are George Soros and Gavin Newsom."



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49444901)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 9:15 PM
Author: aqua vibrant location french chef

It contains tons of thoughtful legal analysis if you’d bother to read on

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49445161)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 7:21 PM
Author: stimulating haunting dingle berry pisswyrm

Wait, it's a Trump judge the dissent reamed?

https://afj.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Brown-Snapshot-Final.pdf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49444919)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 7:22 PM
Author: Turquoise alcoholic codepig

holy shit wtf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49444920)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 7:27 PM
Author: stimulating haunting dingle berry pisswyrm

Not only a Trump appointee, but from a highly conservative state with a Senator - Ted Cruz - who's normally very careful about ensuring no libs slip through.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49444932)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 7:31 PM
Author: Turquoise alcoholic codepig

very good point. and it also looks like he hawaii judge'd the biden fraudvax mandate for fed employees

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49444943)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 7:50 PM
Author: violet contagious chapel

He was on the Texas (Civil) SCOTUS for 6 years, so there would have been a strong track record of how he rules.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49444992)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 7:23 PM
Author: Lake Comical Twinkling Uncleanness

Wow. George Soros.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49444926)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 7:29 PM
Author: Lascivious Pontificating Reading Party

To be fair,

1. Extremely Boomerish dissent. There's no reason this couldn't have been trimmed down to 20 pages.

2. Having said that, Jerry Smith has been one of the biggest COA > SCOTUS Feeders for decades. Libs might be laughing now, but this guy unironically has the ear of several SCOTUS Justices and he seems EXTREMELY PISSED about how all of this went down, on every level. When this decision inevitably gets appealed to SCOTUS, I'm not sure things will ultimately turn out the way libs are hoping they will. We'll see what unfolds!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49444939)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 7:39 PM
Author: violet contagious chapel

This is about as shocking a statement as you'll see in a "scathing" dissent: "I also need to highlight the pernicious judicial misbehavior of U.S. District Judge Jeffrey Vincent Brown."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49444968)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 7:42 PM
Author: Turquoise alcoholic codepig

yep. he also says 20 times that the majesty of law is fraud and it's all politics. has any judge said such things in an opinion before?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49444976)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 7:45 PM
Author: violet contagious chapel

This is in the same vein: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMC7Ntd4d4c

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49444986)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 8:01 PM
Author: Turquoise alcoholic codepig

wow, is this real

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49445013)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 9:32 PM
Author: Rose Swashbuckling Degenerate Mental Disorder

180 autism

As he stood in that room describing the handgun, it seemed like any second he was going to casually pan to the side and have a bound and gagged shitlib and clinically explain the handgun's firing mechanism as he blows their brains out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49445189)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 9:59 PM
Author: Turquoise alcoholic codepig

i'm reading the berzon concurrence trashing van dyke:

https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2025/03/20/23-55805.pdf

where is she wrong? she kinda seems right

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49445234)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 7:45 PM
Author: concupiscible scarlet address

"If, however, there were a Nobel Prize for Fiction, Judge Brown's opinion would be a prime candidate."

I'm going to be thinking about this sentence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49444984)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 7:45 PM
Author: Black Fantasy-prone Voyeur Yarmulke

Wow. I'd love to meet Judge Smith's clerks. Or interview one or two.

I'd also love to know what the horse-trading there is behind the scenes on this one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49444985)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 12:53 PM
Author: nofapping tripping sanctuary

as everyone knows, he hires only 1Ls after one semester of grades

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49446658)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 7:53 PM
Author: violet contagious chapel

I read the first few pages. The complained-of conduct--at least the conduct Judge Smith is leading with--is that the majority didn't let him see a draft of their opinion until shortly before they issued it (with a note that Judge Smith would be appending a dissent).

That's it? That's his first and best argument? Who cares?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49444998)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 8:23 PM
Author: pearly sex offender

I'm sure the opinion is shit but going absolutely BERSERK over drafting practices that the general public doesn't give a shit about dramatically undermines his dissent.

He sounds like some lawyer who brought in biglaw as co-counsel because he couldn't handle the case and is MAF that they filed the MSJ without getting all his edits.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49445058)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 8:01 PM
Author: Coral Cracking Hall Psychic

lol this guy is 180 as shit

fuck libs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49445016)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 12:32 AM
Author: Gay aggressive tanning salon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49445419)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 8:26 PM
Author: pearly sex offender

page 16: Second, the other factors, discussed below, are extraordinarily week [sic] in this case.

Also page 16: If this were a law school exam, the opinion would deserve an “F.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49445063)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 8:30 PM
Author: Charcoal Senate Organic Girlfriend



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49445072)



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Date: November 19th, 2025 11:07 PM
Author: stimulating haunting dingle berry pisswyrm

Fifth Circuit guru says majority op is solid:

https://x.com/RMFifthCircuit/status/1991174150615081310

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49445339)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 9:00 AM
Author: Jade Offensive Crackhouse

thanks, raffi!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49445885)



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Date: November 22nd, 2025 11:24 AM
Author: .,.,.,.,.,...,.,,.,,.....,.,..,.,,...,.,.,,...,.


Where are we at on this, reddit tranny?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49451685)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 1:17 AM
Author: Filthy business firm

This is THE DEFINITION of "yosemite sam fuming mad".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49445480)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 10:45 AM
Author: Turquoise alcoholic codepig

the image of this guy driving back from a funeral steaming maf is hilarious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49446187)



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Date: November 21st, 2025 9:46 AM
Author: Filthy business firm

This is the type of rage that had to have come in pulsing waves. He'd start to calm down -- put down his pen, drawl out a "he's just a fucking fag, into that whole 'perry crew' cocaine and arthouses and experimental gay sex 'thing', fuck 'im" -- and then he'd pick up to finish off a footnote and something would set him off and he'd be back up to yelling at the clerks to tie some fishing line around a dildo "so we can lure that little poofter in here and teach him some fucking manners."

I at least credit his clerks for getting him to remove all the anti-trans slurs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49449379)



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Date: November 21st, 2025 7:58 AM
Author: Nighttime jewess people who are hurt

https://files.catbox.moe/vf4g73.mp4

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49449172)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 10:19 AM
Author: stimulating haunting dingle berry pisswyrm

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/19/jeffrey-brown-texas-redistricting-00660068

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49446088)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 10:47 AM
Author: Jade Offensive Crackhouse

the thing is blacks vote 95% dem, so you can never make a politically driven redistricting without it appearing to target blacks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49446192)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 10:49 AM
Author: aqua vibrant location french chef

and its also absurd that the court would find an argument that GOP is intentionally forgoing seats in favor of being able to racially discriminate persuasive. at absolutely no level of the party that makes choices about redistricting is a single person thinking this, and everyone knows it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49446200)



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Date: November 22nd, 2025 11:20 AM
Author: .,..,.,,.,..,,,.,.,.,..,..,..,.,..,,.,.,.,.




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49451675)



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Date: November 22nd, 2025 11:32 AM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


or without appearing to specifically favor blacks either.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49451709)



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Date: November 22nd, 2025 11:35 AM
Author: 3I/Atlas

Favoring blacks and jews is fine. Favoring whites is wrong. Read the constitution.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49451723)



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Date: November 22nd, 2025 11:57 AM
Author: UhOh



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49451791)



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Date: November 22nd, 2025 12:04 PM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


i get your point and agree that that's what some people and judges think.

i just wanted to add that when you adjust a district to make it more likely that a black will be elected, you are simultaneously making it harder for blacks to get elected in adjoining districts and are making black votes less powerful in the adjoining districts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49451824)



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Date: November 22nd, 2025 12:32 PM
Author: 3I/Atlas

Not valid in practice. The only place where adjustments matter politically is in the 45-55% range. If you take a group's voice from 25 to 20% or 15 to 25%, it doesn't matter for that group's electoral results. Same if you increase their representation from 60 to 65%.

Where you can get in trouble, however, is when you try to over-optimize your safe seats by giving yourself 55% in a bunch of districts, putting the opponent into a single 95% district. That may be optimal some years, but every now and then an electoral shift comes along, and all of your 55% seats turn into 49ers, and the other side shoots the moon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49451900)



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Date: November 22nd, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800066&forum_id=2в#49452019)