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Question about European feudalism.

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just walk outside bro
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(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)
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Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the la...
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Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitar...
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(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded ...
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They were better because you had different tribal clans owni...
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read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of ...
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Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the P...
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what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?
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Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as ba...
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  11/11/25
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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM
Author: Chestnut kitty

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#23393887)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:29 AM
Author: Cruel-hearted cruise ship

just walk outside bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#48969812)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM
Author: Cruel-hearted cruise ship

(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#48969813)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:24 PM
Author: Cruel-hearted cruise ship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#48985020)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:55 PM
Author: Cruel-hearted cruise ship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#48997575)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:14 PM
Author: Cruel-hearted cruise ship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49064860)



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Date: July 3rd, 2025 8:14 PM
Author: Cruel-hearted cruise ship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49070377)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 8:32 PM
Author: Cruel-hearted cruise ship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49077411)



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Date: July 8th, 2025 10:20 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49084518)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:52 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49098591)



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Date: July 14th, 2025 5:12 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49101058)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 3:43 AM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49105012)



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Date: July 20th, 2025 8:00 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49117359)



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Date: July 24th, 2025 5:37 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49128622)



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Date: July 29th, 2025 11:50 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49141968)



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Date: July 30th, 2025 6:59 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49143857)



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Date: August 4th, 2025 6:52 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49156580)



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Date: August 10th, 2025 8:35 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49172980)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:33 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49421817)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:48 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49421862)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:57 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49421881)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 11:28 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49422254)



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Date: November 12th, 2025 7:15 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49424474)



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Date: November 12th, 2025 9:29 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49425035)



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Date: November 13th, 2025 1:21 AM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49425543)



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Date: November 13th, 2025 4:52 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49427654)



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Date: November 16th, 2025 8:27 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49436681)



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Date: November 16th, 2025 9:03 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49436785)



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Date: November 17th, 2025 6:11 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49439167)



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Date: November 18th, 2025 7:01 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49441985)



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Date: November 23rd, 2025 8:51 PM
Author: Cruel-hearted cruise ship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49454945)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 12:36 AM
Author: Cruel-hearted cruise ship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49455274)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 6:55 PM
Author: Cruel-hearted cruise ship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49457596)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 9:29 PM
Author: Cruel-hearted cruise ship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49458108)



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Date: November 26th, 2025 12:15 AM
Author: Cruel-hearted cruise ship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49461550)



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Date: November 26th, 2025 4:27 PM
Author: Cruel-hearted cruise ship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49463581)



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Date: November 26th, 2025 10:41 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49464738)



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Date: November 27th, 2025 5:48 PM
Author: Cruel-hearted cruise ship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49466319)



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Date: November 28th, 2025 12:55 AM
Author: Cruel-hearted cruise ship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49467160)



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Date: December 2nd, 2025 6:52 PM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49478445)



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Date: December 4th, 2025 5:54 PM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49484240)



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Date: December 4th, 2025 9:25 PM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49484832)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM
Author: Mind-boggling gaming laptop

Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence?

yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#48969854)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM
Author: rose dog poop affirmative action

Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#48969860)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM
Author: Mind-boggling gaming laptop

(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#48969863)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM
Author: rose dog poop affirmative action

They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#48969954)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: Mind-boggling gaming laptop

read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#48971066)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: massive resort

Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49065184)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:53 PM
Author: Very tactful seedy whorehouse party of the first part



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49098592)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 7:03 PM
Author: Grizzly mediation round eye



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49098608)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM
Author: exhilarant brass hell

what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#48970037)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM
Author: Autistic walnut pisswyrm space

cq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#48970041)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM
Author: umber boiling water

I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#48985033)



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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM
Author: massive resort

teen black death survivors were the original Boomers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49065206)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM
Author: jet bateful macaca mood

i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#48997602)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM
Author: aromatic maniacal elastic band forum

Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49065026)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM
Author: Awkward half-breed stead

really depended on the country, the region, and the lord

removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49105022)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:49 PM
Author: claret son of senegal

It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar systems in place for thousands of years and they were stable societies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49421865)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 10:06 PM
Author: Vivacious Chrome Senate

it was a nanny state.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49458174)