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Question about European feudalism.

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have m...
Orchid sanctuary
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just walk outside bro
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(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)
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Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the la...
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read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of ...
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what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?
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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM
Author: Orchid sanctuary

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#23393887)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:29 AM
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just walk outside bro

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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM
Author: sable shivering ceo

(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)

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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:24 PM
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:14 PM
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Date: July 3rd, 2025 8:14 PM
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Date: July 6th, 2025 8:32 PM
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Date: July 8th, 2025 10:20 PM
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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:52 PM
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Date: July 14th, 2025 5:12 PM
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Date: July 16th, 2025 3:43 AM
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Date: July 30th, 2025 6:59 PM
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Date: August 4th, 2025 6:52 PM
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Date: August 10th, 2025 8:35 PM
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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:33 PM
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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:48 PM
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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:57 PM
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Date: November 11th, 2025 11:28 PM
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Date: November 12th, 2025 7:15 PM
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Date: November 12th, 2025 9:29 PM
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Date: November 13th, 2025 1:21 AM
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Date: November 23rd, 2025 8:51 PM
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Date: November 24th, 2025 12:36 AM
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Date: November 24th, 2025 6:55 PM
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Date: November 24th, 2025 9:29 PM
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Date: November 26th, 2025 12:15 AM
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Date: November 26th, 2025 4:27 PM
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Date: December 2nd, 2025 6:52 PM
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Date: December 16th, 2025 9:07 PM
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Date: December 21st, 2025 8:59 PM
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Date: January 4th, 2026 8:56 PM
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Date: January 6th, 2026 7:39 PM
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Date: January 12th, 2026 6:44 PM
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Date: January 14th, 2026 6:47 PM
Author: sable shivering ceo



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Date: January 20th, 2026 7:47 PM
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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:08 PM
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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:38 PM
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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM
Author: Azure Indian Lodge Sweet Tailpipe

Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence?

yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#48969854)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM
Author: vigorous filthy voyeur stag film

Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#48969860)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM
Author: Azure Indian Lodge Sweet Tailpipe

(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it)

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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM
Author: vigorous filthy voyeur stag film

They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#48969954)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: Azure Indian Lodge Sweet Tailpipe

read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#48971066)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: Irate station boiling water

Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49065184)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:53 PM
Author: blathering 180 institution filthpig



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Date: July 13th, 2025 7:03 PM
Author: Clear aromatic business firm therapy



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM
Author: Buck-toothed Locale Kitty

what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?

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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM
Author: Passionate Carmine National

cq

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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM
Author: flirting violet theater pistol

I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#48985033)



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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM
Author: Irate station boiling water

teen black death survivors were the original Boomers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49065206)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:10 AM
Author: Galvanic incel area



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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM
Author: Maniacal old irish cottage

i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#48997602)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM
Author: Adventurous Misunderstood Kitchen Organic Girlfriend

Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49065026)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM
Author: hairraiser effete casino halford

really depended on the country, the region, and the lord

removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49105022)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:49 PM
Author: Heady gaming laptop

It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar systems in place for thousands of years and they were stable societies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49421865)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 10:06 PM
Author: magenta hospital

it was a nanny state.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49458174)



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Date: December 8th, 2025 8:26 PM
Author: Heady gaming laptop

Most societies were nomadic. Home sapiens only became a settled species during the most recent 5% of our time on earth. There's absolutely nothing normal (or even good) about anything we do today, unless your goal is simply to put more people on the earth's surface

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49495273)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:07 AM
Author: hairraiser effete casino halford

actual feudalism was probably fine and shitty in parts

foursquare feudalism otoh is a lot of fun and harmless if it's not infested with faggots

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49518563)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:17 PM
Author: Primrose Scourge Upon The Earth Whorehouse

13th century English peasant: 1620 chill working hours per year with your bros, downtime all winter, zero "thank" emails

you: hiting 1620 billables in July while on your "working vacation" at the beach with your kids

https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49838409)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:17 PM
Author: Primrose Scourge Upon The Earth Whorehouse

"Before capitalism, most people did not work very long hours at all. The tempo of life was slow, even leisurely; the pace of work relaxed. Our ancestors may not have been rich, but they had an abundance of leisure. When capitalism raised their incomes, it also took away their time."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49838410)