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Question about European feudalism.
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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM Author: concupiscible mischievous native ratface Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#23393887) |
Date: May 29th, 2025 4:29 AM Author: Startled ceo just walk outside bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#48969812) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM Author: Startled ceo (and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#48969813) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:24 PM Author: Startled ceo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#48985020) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:14 PM Author: Startled ceo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49064860) |
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Date: July 16th, 2025 3:43 AM Author: Startled ceo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49105012) |
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Date: November 13th, 2025 1:21 AM Author: Startled ceo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49425543) |
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Date: November 13th, 2025 4:52 PM Author: Startled ceo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49427654) |
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Date: November 16th, 2025 8:27 PM Author: Startled ceo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49436681) |
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Date: November 16th, 2025 9:03 PM Author: Startled ceo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49436785) |
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Date: November 18th, 2025 7:01 PM Author: Startled ceo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49441985) |
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Date: November 28th, 2025 12:55 AM Author: Startled ceo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49467160) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM Author: Crimson sandwich Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence? yes |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM Author: vivacious sooty corn cake half-breed Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#48969860) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM Author: Crimson sandwich (ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#48969863) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM Author: vivacious sooty corn cake half-breed They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#48969954) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM Author: Crimson sandwich read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#48971066) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM Author: Flirting up-to-no-good school Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49065184) |
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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:53 PM Author: walnut cuckoldry immigrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49098592) |
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Date: July 13th, 2025 7:03 PM Author: Amber Magical Gaping (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49098608) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM Author: Heady brethren what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#48970037) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM Author: razzmatazz sound barrier cq (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#48970041) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM Author: Topaz electric furnace voyeur I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#48985033) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM Author: Flirting up-to-no-good school teen black death survivors were the original Boomers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49065206) |
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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:10 AM Author: Razzle pit blood rage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49518664) |
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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM Author: rusted private investor wrinkle i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#48997602) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM Author: adulterous forum Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49065026) |
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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM Author: aromatic impressive den organic girlfriend really depended on the country, the region, and the lord removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:49 PM Author: Excitant stage community account It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar systems in place for thousands of years and they were stable societies (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49421865) |
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Date: November 24th, 2025 10:06 PM Author: gaped water buffalo it was a nanny state. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49458174) |
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Date: December 8th, 2025 8:26 PM Author: Excitant stage community account Most societies were nomadic. Home sapiens only became a settled species during the most recent 5% of our time on earth. There's absolutely nothing normal (or even good) about anything we do today, unless your goal is simply to put more people on the earth's surface (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49495273) |
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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:07 AM Author: aromatic impressive den organic girlfriend actual feudalism was probably fine and shitty in parts foursquare feudalism otoh is a lot of fun and harmless if it's not infested with faggots |
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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:17 PM Author: Electric meetinghouse juggernaut 13th century English peasant: 1620 chill working hours per year with your bros, downtime all winter, zero "thank" emails
you: hiting 1620 billables in July while on your "working vacation" at the beach with your kids
https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html |
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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:17 PM Author: Electric meetinghouse juggernaut "Before capitalism, most people did not work very long hours at all. The tempo of life was slow, even leisurely; the pace of work relaxed. Our ancestors may not have been rich, but they had an abundance of leisure. When capitalism raised their incomes, it also took away their time." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2в#49838410) |